The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:37 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Well then no longer anything to argue about now, that you've changed your numbers so they make more sense.

Anyway

Goku SSJ(Coola's Revenge)

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Goku SSJ(End Of Z)
EoZ Goku easily.
Coola's Revenge Goku was as strong as 100% Freeza, did End Of Z Goku ever manage to accomplish that level of strength?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:09 am

Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Well then no longer anything to argue about now, that you've changed your numbers so they make more sense.

Anyway

Goku SSJ(Coola's Revenge)

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Goku SSJ(End Of Z)
EoZ Goku easily.
Coola's Revenge Goku was as strong as 100% Freeza, did End Of Z Goku ever manage to accomplish that level of strength?
EoZ Goku is far beyond that level of strength. Freeza is oneshot material for him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:28 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd Budokai Goku
Ichigo. Shingami are spiritual beings are cannot be perceived by normal folks. Goku cannot hurt him, yet alone see him

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Beyond » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:43 pm

Equal power levels and no Transformations.

Gohan Vs Tien

Krillin vs 17

Roshi Vs Piccolo

F. Trunks vs Tao pai pai

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:11 pm

Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Well then no longer anything to argue about now, that you've changed your numbers so they make more sense.

Anyway

Goku SSJ(Coola's Revenge)

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Goku SSJ(End Of Z)
EoZ Goku easily.
Coola's Revenge Goku was as strong as 100% Freeza, did End Of Z Goku ever manage to accomplish that level of strength?
I think is obvious that SSJ End of Z Goku is far above Frieza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:55 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: EoZ Goku easily.
Coola's Revenge Goku was as strong as 100% Freeza, did End Of Z Goku ever manage to accomplish that level of strength?
EoZ Goku is far beyond that level of strength. Freeza is oneshot material for him.
What if I change it to Buu Saga Goku? Would that make a difference? And besides that End Of Z Goku can't be much more powerful than Buu Saga Goku as Goku was approaching his limits in the Buu saga.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Ki Breaker » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:10 pm

Beyond wrote:Equal power levels and no Transformations.

Gohan Vs Tien

Krillin vs 17

Roshi Vs Piccolo

F. Trunks vs Tao pai pai
This is a tough one.. assuming gohan knows everything goku does it ends in a tie

Krillin, 17 isn't a martial artist, he is an Android

Does piccolo have his regeneration? If so piccolo wins if not then roshi

Tao, far more skilled than trunks
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:39 pm

Piccolo vs Super Saiyan Kids Trunks

Seriously who is supposed to be stronger? The kids or Piccolo? In the Buu saga they seemed to make out that the kids were stronger because they weren't supposed to be that far off from Gohan.

But Super has made it seem as though Piccolo is stronger to the point he was the second choice after Buu and Vegeta was fine with him being in the Tournament but said the kids aren't strong enough to enter.

So we're they never stronger afterall? Did Gohan just lose more power than originally believed?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:03 pm

Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Gog wrote: Coola's Revenge Goku was as strong as 100% Freeza, did End Of Z Goku ever manage to accomplish that level of strength?
EoZ Goku is far beyond that level of strength. Freeza is oneshot material for him.
What if I change it to Buu Saga Goku? Would that make a difference? And besides that End Of Z Goku can't be much more powerful than Buu Saga Goku as Goku was approaching his limits in the Buu saga.
end of Z Goku has god powers though.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:12 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: EoZ Goku is far beyond that level of strength. Freeza is oneshot material for him.
What if I change it to Buu Saga Goku? Would that make a difference? And besides that End Of Z Goku can't be much more powerful than Buu Saga Goku as Goku was approaching his limits in the Buu saga.
end of Z Goku has god powers though.
Not that End Of Z Goku, but End Of Z Goku without BOG

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:29 pm

Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
What if I change it to Buu Saga Goku? Would that make a difference? And besides that End Of Z Goku can't be much more powerful than Buu Saga Goku as Goku was approaching his limits in the Buu saga.
end of Z Goku has god powers though.
Not that End Of Z Goku, but End Of Z Goku without BOG
You mean right after the defeat of kid Buu?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:35 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
end of Z Goku has god powers though.
Not that End Of Z Goku, but End Of Z Goku without BOG
You mean right after the defeat of kid Buu?
Yes I mean that.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by pacz360 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:33 pm

Bullza wrote:Piccolo vs Super Saiyan Kids Trunks

Seriously who is supposed to be stronger? The kids or Piccolo? In the Buu saga they seemed to make out that the kids were stronger because they weren't supposed to be that far off from Gohan.

But Super has made it seem as though Piccolo is stronger to the point he was the second choice after Buu and Vegeta was fine with him being in the Tournament but said the kids aren't strong enough to enter.

So we're they never stronger afterall? Did Gohan just lose more power than originally believed?
Piccolo i mean the guy was training eight months with gohan so him getting some stronger than the kids should be possible.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mcdjbeatz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Bullza wrote:Piccolo vs Super Saiyan Kids Trunks

Seriously who is supposed to be stronger? The kids or Piccolo? In the Buu saga they seemed to make out that the kids were stronger because they weren't supposed to be that far off from Gohan.

But Super has made it seem as though Piccolo is stronger to the point he was the second choice after Buu and Vegeta was fine with him being in the Tournament but said the kids aren't strong enough to enter.

So we're they never stronger afterall? Did Gohan just lose more power than originally believed?
Piccolo was on par with 17 and then had a year's training in the rosat and 7 years of training meanwhile the kids were about 18 tier and posed a real threat to Android 18 during the tournament and then had a week of training in the rosat where I don't think they got that much stronger as individuals. I don't think the kids ever caught up to Piccolo without fusion, there weren't too much evidence to suggest that Goten and Trunks were above Piccolo, the closest there is SSJ Trunks being able to land a punch on SSJ Vegeta in the gravity room, Piccolo saying “These two are our only hope…! Th-though it’s a faint hope…” and Piccolo being surprised at the kids powering up into Super Saiyans. But that's hardly conclusive evidence and not enough to make me believe that the kids were stronger than Piccolo, Vegeta could have easily been tired when sparring with Trunks, Piccolo could have been thinking that the kids were their last hope due to their saiyan heritage and potential to become stronger through unlocking transformations and Piccolo being surprised doesn't mean the kids were stronger, Piccolo was likely just surprised at having such power at their age. Honestly it's up to your interpretation between who is stronger.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:41 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Dangai Ichigo vs 23rd Budokai Goku
Ichigo. Shingami are spiritual beings are cannot be perceived by normal folks. Goku cannot hurt him, yet alone see him
This is totally false, Shinigami can easily be hurt and seen by normal folks. Beings with even a little Reiatsu can perceive and hurt them, and Goku would definitely have a lot of Reiatsu under Bleach rules since ki and Reiatsu are basically the same. Furthermore, Chad was able to damage a Hollow despite not being able to see it and he was just a normal human. Goku is far above that level and tremendously more perceptive.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mcdjbeatz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:45 pm

Beyond wrote:Equal power levels and no Transformations.

Gohan Vs Tien

Krillin vs 17

Roshi Vs Piccolo

F. Trunks vs Tao pai pai
I think Tien takes this due to having superior techniques and skills due to not being as rusty as Gohan would be
Similar situation with Piccolo vs 17, 17 has infinite stamina and Krillin has superior techniques, 17 wins unless Krillin defeats him with one of his techniques like the kienzan, Krillin winning is quite likely due to a potential kienzan and taiyoken combo
I think Piccolo wins due to his techniques, superior intelligence and regeneration unless Roshi seals him away with the mafuba or puts him to sleep and then wears him down with lightning
Future Trunks wins, flight puts him at a massive advantage

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:56 pm

Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
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Not that End Of Z Goku, but End Of Z Goku without BOG
You mean right after the defeat of kid Buu?
Yes I mean that.
Well I think movie 5 Goku was only a bit stronger than he was during the Frieza saga, so EOZ Goku stomps.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:30 pm

dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
You mean right after the defeat of kid Buu?
Yes I mean that.
Well I think movie 5 Goku was only a bit stronger than he was during the Frieza saga, so EOZ Goku stomps.
But it was outright implied by Coola that CR Goku in that movie was as strong as Freeza at 100% CR Goku defeats EOZ Goku

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:24 am

Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
Yes I mean that.
Well I think movie 5 Goku was only a bit stronger than he was during the Frieza saga, so EOZ Goku stomps.
But it was outright implied by Coola that CR Goku in that movie was as strong as Freeza at 100% CR Goku defeats EOZ Goku
I never got that implication. And when Cooler went to his final form Goku said his chi was greater than Frieza's, meaning before that it wasn't.

base Goku<=>base Cooler<<<100% Frieza<5th form Cooler<ssj Goku

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gog » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:39 am

dragon boss z wrote:
Gog wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:
Well I think movie 5 Goku was only a bit stronger than he was during the Frieza saga, so EOZ Goku stomps.
But it was outright implied by Coola that CR Goku in that movie was as strong as Freeza at 100% CR Goku defeats EOZ Goku
I never got that implication. And when Cooler went to his final form Goku said his chi was greater than Frieza's, meaning before that it wasn't.

base Goku<=>base Cooler<<<100% Frieza<5th form Cooler<ssj Goku
And that means that he was as strong as Freeza before, now that he has ascended to the fifth form his power has surpassed that of his brother. And besides that Coola while fighting Goku admitted that he could see how he caused trouble against Freeza. And Freeza was dead at the time as well, so he couldn't have been referring to Goku giving Freeza a hard time.

100% Freeza <=> 100%Coola/Goku <<< 5th Form Coola <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SSJ Goku

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