"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

which was great and also had other characters so it wasn't just the Goku show like Super or GT.

Super is not the Goku Show, at best it's possible to be the Goku and Vegeta Show.

Battle of Gods Arc - Everybody fought and got their asses kicked in this arc, Vegeta got a powerup, Goku got the transformation.

Resurrection F Arc - The Z Fighters take care of the army, Piccolo fights Shisami (Can't remember if that guy was killed by Gohan or someone else), Vegeta fights and kills Tagoma, Goku fights and loses to Frieza, Vegeta beats Frieza (Doesn't matter who got the kill in the end, Vegeta won that fight), Goku kills Frieza.

Universe 6 Tournament Arc - Goku fights and beats Botamello, Goku fights and loses to Frost, Piccolo fights and loses to Frost, Vegeta owns Frost, Vegeta owns Kybbe, Vegeta beats Magneta, Vegeta loses to Hit, Goku is having trouble with Hit even while Hit is holding back and the victor is undecided.

Black Arc - F!Trunks fights and loses to Black, Goku spars with F!Trunks, Goku's fight with Black is interupted, Goku beats Zamasu, Vegeta pounds Black, Vegeta loses to Rose!Black, F!Trunks and Goku lose to Black and Zamasu, Vegeta owns Black, Black's clones gives Vegeta and Goku trouble (Don't really know how to judge that fight), Merged Zamasu owns F!Trunks and the other two, Merged Zamasu is matched with Vegetto though it seems that in the end he would lose that fight, F!Trunks slices up Merged Zamasu, Zeno beats everybody.

On the fights alone, Goku definitely takes part in the most. As one of the main characters, that should be expected, but that doesn't make this the Goku Show. I don't know if that's true for GT, since not much about the show every stuck in my mind character-wise.

[namekiansaiyan]

I was about to ask how you survived saiyan saga and boo saga until I finished your comment. At least you're consistent Haha. Can't say I agree though. DragonBall could literally only have Piccolo (my least favorite Z-fighter) as a main character and I would give it a try.

Now I know why we disagree on a lot of things.

Again, Goku is NOT the main character. He's the HERO. Main character of Z is Gohan.

And yes I do find it weird that one would be less interested in a show just because it's trying something interesting and using it's side characters instead of the characters it uses all the damn time. Sue me. -_-

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan or Piccolo moment, you know your series is doing something wrong.

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Agreed there. And a lot of Vegeta fans still aren't satisfied right now even though he's the second most prominent character in Super. Seriously some of these fans will only be happy if he's above Goku at all times.

I still think Goku is the main character in Z.

They were so close with Piccolo but we know what happened. Tien could have maybe even participated in the tournament.

I just want all characters to have decent fights and be useful but when it is just Goku and Vegeta it actaully makes me like their characters less from boredom.

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Its not like I sulked when Goku was gone at the start of Boo saga, I was simply not interested anymore and was ok with not watching DB at all, DB's not the only anime out there anyways so I was meh about it, they kill Goku off then I'm done I wont watch till I hear some news of him returning, its as simple as that, I wont go around bitching about it thats for sure.

This is why I cherish 17 vs Piccolo. The last real fight where it doesn't need Super Saiyans to make it epic. DBZ for the most part actually had non-Saiyan heroes contribute to the plot combat wise, and that helped make Z that much more enjoyable.

That's part of why Super doesn't hold a candle to DBZ or the original Dragonball for that matter so far at least, because the roles for each character wasn't so predictable as Super is.

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Exactly. I think sometimes when Toriyama writes new arcs he actaully deliberately leaves out other characters and makes a rule that under no circumstances shall I use them in it.

I am only watching Super for the new characters(Beerus, Whis, Hit) and the occasional non saiyan action.

[Akyon]

Well obviously I disagree completely about the "Dragon Ball with Goku not there doesn't feel like Dragon Ball" argument. My favorite parts in Dragon Ball are when he's out of commission. When he's still flying to Namek? Best part of Frieza arc. When he succumbs to the heart virus and the others have to go on without him? Best part of Cell arc. When Goku's dead in the Buu arc and is gonna pass the torch to the next generation? Best part of Buu arc, but it's ruined when Gohan get absorbed and Goku steals all the glory yet again. Super doesn't HAVE this. Goku is NEVER out of commission. It sucks.

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

To be fair you don't have to like the main character to like a series;
Many Bleach fans think Ichigo's bland, many One Piece fans don't have Luffy as their favourite character, Naruto(the series) fans don't necessarily like Naruto the character, and I've seen Fairy Tail fans who absolutely despise Natsu.

Goku isn't going to be to every Dragonball fan's taste either. Doesn't stop them loving other characters they find more relatable or enjoyable.

[SansrivaaL]

Well obviously I disagree completely about the "Dragon Ball with Goku not there doesn't feel like Dragon Ball" argument. My favorite parts in Dragon Ball are when he's out of commission. When he's still flying to Namek? Best part of Frieza arc. When he succumbs to the heart virus and the others have to go on without him? Best part of Cell arc. When Goku's dead in the Buu arc and is gonna pass the torch to the next generation? Best part of Buu arc, but it's ruined when Gohan get absorbed and Goku steals all the glory yet again. Super doesn't HAVE this. Goku is NEVER out of commission. It sucks.

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

To be fair you don't have to like the main character to like a series;
Many Bleach fans think Ichigo's bland, many One Piece fans don't have Luffy as their favourite character, Naruto(the series) fans don't necessarily like Naruto the character, and I've seen Fairy Tail fans who absolutely despise Natsu.

Goku isn't going to be to every Dragonball fan's taste either. Doesn't stop them loving other characters they find more relatable or enjoyable.

Isnt it kinda hard liking a show where you dont particularly like the main character? guess I dont know because I like every manga/anime character I've encountered and they're my favorite, like Naruto/Ichigo/Gintoki/Goku/Gon/Natsu/Meliodas/Yusuke etc.
Exactly why I dont watch One Piece, because I cant tolerate Luffy's idiotic antics and just frankly I dont like the guy. I prefer Zoro but since I know Luffy's gonna show up over and over I decided to just not watch it.

[Doctor.]

To be fair you don't have to like the main character to like a series;
Many Bleach fans think Ichigo's bland, many One Piece fans don't have Luffy as their favourite character, Naruto(the series) fans don't necessarily like Naruto the character, and I've seen Fairy Tail fans who absolutely despise Natsu.

Goku isn't going to be to every Dragonball fan's taste either. Doesn't stop them loving other characters they find more relatable or enjoyable.

I know you don't necessarily have to like the main character to enjoy the series, but I feel like, at worst, you have to tolerate the main character if you want to fully enjoy the series. I hate Naruto, the series, because Naruto, the character, is absolutely terrible and the plot revolves around him. How can I even remotely enjoy the parts where he's not present if I know that it'll all lead back to him somehow?

[dbzfan7]

Well obviously I disagree completely about the "Dragon Ball with Goku not there doesn't feel like Dragon Ball" argument. My favorite parts in Dragon Ball are when he's out of commission. When he's still flying to Namek? Best part of Frieza arc. When he succumbs to the heart virus and the others have to go on without him? Best part of Cell arc. When Goku's dead in the Buu arc and is gonna pass the torch to the next generation? Best part of Buu arc, but it's ruined when Gohan get absorbed and Goku steals all the glory yet again. Super doesn't HAVE this. Goku is NEVER out of commission. It sucks.

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

To be fair you don't have to like the main character to like a series;
Many Bleach fans think Ichigo's bland, many One Piece fans don't have Luffy as their favourite character, Naruto(the series) fans don't necessarily like Naruto the character, and I've seen Fairy Tail fans who absolutely despise Natsu.

Goku isn't going to be to every Dragonball fan's taste either. Doesn't stop them loving other characters they find more relatable or enjoyable.

True enough. I HAAAATE Gon from Hunter X Hunter. Before the Chimera Arc he was a much blander Kid Goku. Even afterwards he only reached a tolerable level for me. Even so while Gon is the main character, the show gave soooo much time to the other characters as well and even gave a ton of time to the villains too. It made the show stronger even though I felt the main character wasn't good. Might even be why the current manga apparently ditched Gon all together...cause he sucked . If not for other characters being awesome, and the truly great villains being awesome, I'd have quit. Good thing they devoted so much time to other characters alongside the main character.

[SansrivaaL]

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

[Doctor.]

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

[Will]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
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[spoiler][/spoiler]

These look nice. What are the other covers?

I saw them there:
https://twitter.com/db_super2015?lang=fr

I don't know about the previous ones.

[dbzfan7]

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

True enough my point was to say you totally can like a show and hate the main character, but not liking a main character is pretty bad. Gon sucked so much til they finally made him do and act interesting in the longest arc of the series. But with characters like Kurapika, Leorio, Killua, Hisoka, and villains like the Troupe, and especially Meruem...The show really made up for a lackluster main character.

[SansrivaaL]

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

True enough my point was to say you totally can like a show and hate the main character, but not liking a main character is pretty bad. Gon sucked so much til they finally made him do and act interesting in the longest arc of the series. But with characters like Kurapika, Leorio, Killua, Hisoka, and villains like the Troupe, and especially Meruem...The show really made up for a lackluster main character.

True, Gon was pretty badass throughout the whole Chimera ant arc, Gon was a huge change compared to the previous main character Togashi made (Yusuke) which is by far better than Gon in every aspect.

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

Fair enough, its hard to sit through a show where you dont like the main character that will inevitably show up.

[dbzfan7]

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

True enough my point was to say you totally can like a show and hate the main character, but not liking a main character is pretty bad. Gon sucked so much til they finally made him do and act interesting in the longest arc of the series. But with characters like Kurapika, Leorio, Killua, Hisoka, and villains like the Troupe, and especially Meruem...The show really made up for a lackluster main character.

True, Gon was pretty badass throughout the whole Chimera ant arc, Gon was a huge change compared to the previous main character Togashi made (Yusuke) which is by far better than Gon in every aspect.

He's definitely a big change to Yusuke. It pissed me off Gon's reactions most of the time as he rarely ever had anything interesting to add. Not to mention his inconsistencies, and not even making sense a lot of the time besides "I'm Shonen". I'd just wait for Leorio to be funny, Kurapika to be intelligent, and Killua to share his story to pick up the slack. It's not til a certain death does Gon finally become interesting in any capacity....but even then....he's so heavily dwarfed by Meruem it's not even funny.

[perucho1990]

Super isnt the Goku show like in GT


I've seen people compare him to John Cena, and its true if they mean the current John Cena, in the sense of jobbing a lot in the Main Event/Fights and being slowly phased out of the Main Picture.

Araki Hirohiko did the same thing with Joseph and Jotaro for Part 3 and Part 4.

[Will]

Well this is weird, I just mentioned I liked Naruto and Gon then 2 guys above me claimed they dont like them

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

True enough my point was to say you totally can like a show and hate the main character, but not liking a main character is pretty bad. Gon sucked so much til they finally made him do and act interesting in the longest arc of the series. But with characters like Kurapika, Leorio, Killua, Hisoka, and villains like the Troupe, and especially Meruem...The show really made up for a lackluster main character.

Gon even in early arc show difference with normal typical shonen main character, Gon has a weird morality.
In the Phantom troup arc, when Zepile was teaching about his scam, Zepile noted that :
" If something is interesting, he's open to it whether it's good or bad. He's just curious about everything."

Gon also have his ego like Vegeta could have, in Greed Island arc, he could have beat Boomer fast with their plan, but just to prove himself he fought and lose his arm before making the plan.

For me Gon was always great, and the Chimera arc fully show it.

[dbzfan7]

To be fair, I also said I hated Naruto the series, so it's not like my post disagrees with your point.

True enough my point was to say you totally can like a show and hate the main character, but not liking a main character is pretty bad. Gon sucked so much til they finally made him do and act interesting in the longest arc of the series. But with characters like Kurapika, Leorio, Killua, Hisoka, and villains like the Troupe, and especially Meruem...The show really made up for a lackluster main character.

Gon even in early arc show difference with normal typical shonen main character, Gon has a weird morality.
In the Phantom troup arc, when Zepile was teaching about his scam, Zepile noted that :
" If something is interesting, he's open to it whether it's good or bad. He's just curious about everything."

Gon also have his ego like Vegeta could have, in Greed Island arc, he could have beat Boomer fast with their plan, but just to prove himself he fought and lose his arm before making the plan.

For me Gon was always great, and the Chimera arc fully show it.

This ain't really the place to talk about the show. Goku was also curious in the same regard, but he had a clear logic he stuck to with his character, and remained consistent. Gon to me was a far lesser Kid Goku with half the logic and charm. When he finally shines, he's horribly outshined by Meruem who's so much of a better and more interesting character in every way possible, that I'd rather watch him play board games than watch Gon. I can't get into every arc and my great dislike for Gon, as this is not the place for it. Not to mention the mods will call me out for being off topic. So I'll keep it brief as said above.

Which ties back to Dragon Ball where I believe Z had a formula people got so used to, that now we're reverting closer to the original Dragon Ball formula, it's putting off more people even though we had it like this before. I'm on the side that Goku can never be taken away as he has to always in some form, be in the show. For him to be gone would be ridiculous. Whether he's the main character, or playing a side role. Goku has to remain a constant. It's not Dragon Ball without him. The only way something like a brand new series starring someone else would work, would be if Goku had a part, or if it played alongside Super. Otherwise people would be really upset about it.

[Lord Frieza]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Is it just me or dose Copy Vegeta look better in this artwork the he did in the series? His darker SSB hair especially.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The cover for Dvd 14 and 15, there is one for Copy Vegeta.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Yeah saw them earlier. Really hope FUNi get access to these either as main covers or reversible because the actual BD covers are pretty crap tbh.

[kinisking]

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Its not like I sulked when Goku was gone at the start of Boo saga, I was simply not interested anymore and was ok with not watching DB at all, DB's not the only anime out there anyways so I was meh about it, they kill Goku off then I'm done I wont watch till I hear some news of him returning, its as simple as that, I wont go around bitching about it thats for sure.

Don't get me wrong. I loved the Goku moment and see why you would prefer it. That shit had me shouting when it happened. However, Vegetas holds up better on rewatches because of better choreography and animation .

[Doctor.]

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan moment,

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

[SansrivaaL]

If Vegeta or Goku died we are only talking about a little while so others can get a go to do something. To me it looks like Goku and Vegeta fans will react the same as Gohan and Piccolo fans if they did die for a little while. Goku was missing for a lot Z so I do not get the problem to me it seems like these Goku and Vegeta will sulk if there chracter is not on the screen 100% of the time which is just ridiculous really.

Its not like I sulked when Goku was gone at the start of Boo saga, I was simply not interested anymore and was ok with not watching DB at all, DB's not the only anime out there anyways so I was meh about it, they kill Goku off then I'm done I wont watch till I hear some news of him returning, its as simple as that, I wont go around bitching about it thats for sure.

Don't get me wrong. I loved the Goku moment and see why you would prefer it. That shit had me shouting when it happened. However, Vegetas holds up better on rewatches because of better choreography and animation .

And like how their aura was on? I can get that, its a huge difference when they have it on.