"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nejishiki]

These look nice. What are the other covers?

I forgot where the full covers were posted, but the DVD art is the same if you just need to know what it looks like.

[namekiansaiyan]

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan moment,

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

Tien stopping Cell is one of the best moments in the whole franchise.

[Doctor.]

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan moment,

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

Tien stopping Cell is one of the best moments in the whole franchise.

For you. I found it pointless and just wished the character stayed dead in the Saiyan arc.

[TekTheNinja]

If you can't name a single good and worthwhile Tenshinhan moment,

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

WTF, man? Pwning Tau, His desperate struggle against Nappa, and his Tri-beam agains Semi-Perfect Cell, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

[Kanassa]

WTF, man? Pwning Tau, His desperate struggle against Nappa, and his Tri-beam agains Semi-Perfect Cell, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

Named a few? You havn't named any yet.

[Akyon]

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

Tien stopping Cell is one of the best moments in the whole franchise.

For you. I found it pointless and just wished the character stayed dead in the Saiyan arc.

So does that mean pre-Saiyan you thought he had some nice moments? Slightly off topic but I always did like how he took it upon himself to perfect the Mafuba. It was ultimately pointless, but nice to see his change of heart and put his life on the line to save the Earth. Also when he pummeled Cyborg Tao for what he did to Chiaoutzu.

Back on topic; I think Tek's point(and correct me if I'm wrong here) is that the side cast should be able to shine too. A good lead protagonist works fine, but without a fine cast of secondaries to play off of, that's equally as bad as an awful main character.

Personally I find Naruto a rather middling protagonist, but throughly enjoy the side cast of Rock Lee(who is a total hot headed hardworking idiot) and Shikamaru(who is his complete polar opposite; a calm headed, lazy genius). When those characters get a moment to shine, they really showcase what a rich cast you can have.

Not saying you HAVE to like anyone outside the main and his rival, but personally I feel Dragonball has such a great set of secondary characters that we've grown up with over the past 30+ years it's a real shame to have them all so easily ignored.

[TekTheNinja]

Well obviously I disagree completely about the "Dragon Ball with Goku not there doesn't feel like Dragon Ball" argument. My favorite parts in Dragon Ball are when he's out of commission. When he's still flying to Namek? Best part of Frieza arc. When he succumbs to the heart virus and the others have to go on without him? Best part of Cell arc. When Goku's dead in the Buu arc and is gonna pass the torch to the next generation? Best part of Buu arc, but it's ruined when Gohan get absorbed and Goku steals all the glory yet again. Super doesn't HAVE this. Goku is NEVER out of commission. It sucks.

Goku is the main character. If your favorite parts of the show are when he's not "hogging" the spotlight (he's not hogging anything, he gets what he rightfully deserves by process of being the main character), then you're watching the show for the wrong reasons. I don't know how you survived the series pre-Saiyan arc if him not being out of commission in Super is a complaint.

To be fair you don't have to like the main character to like a series;
Many Bleach fans think Ichigo's bland, many One Piece fans don't have Luffy as their favourite character, Naruto(the series) fans don't necessarily like Naruto the character, and I've seen Fairy Tail fans who absolutely despise Natsu.

Goku isn't going to be to every Dragonball fan's taste either. Doesn't stop them loving other characters they find more relatable or enjoyable.

Ichigo is bland as all hell, Luffy is like Goku but way more childish and annoying so I usually don't like him, Natsu's ok, and I actually love Naruto since he actually grows as a character the most out of most popular shonen. (Except for Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakasho maybe. He's great.)

Goku though is a weird case. It's like I either love him sometimes or hate him other times. Throughout all of the kid Goku arcs I love him, throughout most of Z it's a mixed bag though I despise him in Cell arc, and in most of Super I absolutely hate him with every fiber of my being. He's become sorta like Luffy but worse and I often HATE Luffy. I just wish he'd leave and give the others a shot. I wanna see Piccolo. I wanna see Gohan. I want Goten and Kid Trunks to become halfway decent characters. I wanna see Krillin. I wanna see Tien. I wanna see Yamcha at least TRY to do something cool. (Fingers crossed for him to save the world with baseball skills! XD) I wanna see 18. Maybe show how 17's doing since he's confirmed to have a family. If only BoG was about Krillin and 18's wedding like originally intended, because we might have seen that. I want to see an older Pan, Maron, Bra, and Uub, but we haven't had a timeskip to allow for that.

Those were the things I was hoping for when I heard there was going to be a new Dragon Ball series. I didn't want Goku and Vegeta unlocking the power of the rainbow with over 9000 different hair colors. I didn't want the old cast phased out. I didn't want the Goku and Vegeta show.

WTF, man? Pwning Tau, His desperate struggle against Nappa, and his Tri-beam agains Semi-Perfect Cell, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

Named a few? You havn't named any yet.

Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Doctor.]

So does that mean pre-Saiyan you thought he had some nice moments?

No, but at least I acknowledged that he seemed to have a purpose in the story (which completely vanished by the time he beat Tao). Him dying for good in the Saiyan arc would be a decent send-off to the character (and Chaozu).

[TekTheNinja]

So does that mean pre-Saiyan you thought he had some nice moments?

No, but at least I acknowledged that he seemed to have a purpose in the story (which completely vanished by the time he beat Tao). Him dying for good in the Saiyan arc would be a decent send-off to the character (and Chaozu).

Well it seems you're just not a fan of the character then.

[Doctor.]

So does that mean pre-Saiyan you thought he had some nice moments?

No, but at least I acknowledged that he seemed to have a purpose in the story (which completely vanished by the time he beat Tao). Him dying for good in the Saiyan arc would be a decent send-off to the character (and Chaozu).

Well it seems you're just not a fan of the character then.

Well, yeah, and that's the point. I, personally, would enjoy the show less if someone like Tenshinhan got the spotlight instead. Goku is the main and most popular character, so it's no surprise that Super's spotlight falls on him (and Vegeta), because it's that way that it appeals to the largest number of people possible.

[TekTheNinja]

No, but at least I acknowledged that he seemed to have a purpose in the story (which completely vanished by the time he beat Tao). Him dying for good in the Saiyan arc would be a decent send-off to the character (and Chaozu).

Well it seems you're just not a fan of the character then.

Well, yeah, and that's the point. I, personally, would enjoy the show less if someone like Tenshinhan got the spotlight instead. Goku is the main and most popular character, so it's no surprise that Super's spotlight falls on him (and Vegeta), because it's that way that it appeals to the largest number of people possible.

Oh really? Well DB and DBZ managed to share the spotlight just fine is the part you're ignoring.

[Doctor.]

Oh really? Well DB and DBZ managed to share the spotlight just fine is the part you're ignoring.

I completely disagree. Z, sure, even though Goku always had a side-plot of his own (except the part in the Cell arc where he was in a coma). In Part 1, however? Not at all, it was all based around Goku and the other characters barely did anything at all of worth.

[TekTheNinja]

Oh really? Well DB and DBZ managed to share the spotlight just fine is the part you're ignoring.

I completely disagree. Z, sure, even though Goku always had a side-plot of his own (except the part in the Cell arc where he was in a coma). In Part 1, however? Not at all, it was all based around Goku and the other characters barely did anything at all of worth.

What? If anything, Z made the side cast less useful.

Either way that's beside the point. The point is Super needs to utilize it's damn cast.

[namekiansaiyan]

I can't find one in Dragon Ball in its entirety period. I don't see how this means that DB is doing "something wrong".

Tien stopping Cell is one of the best moments in the whole franchise.

For you. I found it pointless and just wished the character stayed dead in the Saiyan arc.

Using your logic everyone should be dead apart from Goku and Vegeta.

No, but at least I acknowledged that he seemed to have a purpose in the story (which completely vanished by the time he beat Tao). Him dying for good in the Saiyan arc would be a decent send-off to the character (and Chaozu).

Well it seems you're just not a fan of the character then.

Well, yeah, and that's the point. I, personally, would enjoy the show less if someone like Tenshinhan got the spotlight instead. Goku is the main and most popular character, so it's no surprise that Super's spotlight falls on him (and Vegeta), because it's that way that it appeals to the largest number of people possible.

Why is Goku the most popular character? Easy answer, it is becuase he does everything. If other characters get stronger and do stuff then their popularity will increase.

Oh really? Well DB and DBZ managed to share the spotlight just fine is the part you're ignoring.

I completely disagree. Z, sure, even though Goku always had a side-plot of his own (except the part in the Cell arc where he was in a coma). In Part 1, however? Not at all, it was all based around Goku and the other characters barely did anything at all of worth.

What? If anything, Z made the side cast less useful.

Either way that's beside the point. The point is Super needs to utilize it's damn cast.

Exactly, for some reason everyone in this discussion seems to think we only need Goku and Vegeta while eveeyone else might as well not exist.

I mostly find that their is nothing special about the main character and it is usually the rest of the cast that makes the main character intersting. Whereas most side characters are usually intersting themselves with or without the main character of the series.

[kinisking]

I think main characters tend to be far less interesting because their success doesn't seem earned and the writers usually try to hard to make them seem special which feels forced at times. However, I don't think Goku really is one of these cases. I think he's worked hard and his inclusion doesn't seem forced a lot of the time. I wouldn't enjoy the show any less if he was gone though because I do prefer other characters and I know Goku will always get his time to shine at the end of the day.

[perucho1990]

I think some of u want would want Super to be like One Punch Man, in terms of MC treatment and how they have handled the rest of the Main Cast and support characters.

Writing an OP character like Saitama without making him boring or stale is a bit of hard feat to do, but One has done a good job so far, and it also helps the OPM cast has been written well so far.

Going back to Super, lets be honest, the only support characters that could be useful are Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and maybe Gohan if he will fight again in the next Arc, the rest of the missing holes could be filled depending what will the arc be about.

For example if the next Arc will be U6 centered, then the support characters should Team U6(Cabba, Magetta, Botamo, Frost) and Hit will be part of the Main Cast like Trunks was in his arc.

[nite_jay]

I think people just need to accept that some lesser characters are being replaced by gods like Beerus and Whis. This happened with the saiyans, and now its happening again with other characters.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think main characters tend to be far less interesting because their success doesn't seem earned and the writers usually try to hard to make them seem special which feels forced at times. However, I don't think Goku really is one of these cases. I think he's worked hard and his inclusion doesn't seem forced a lot of the time. I wouldn't enjoy the show any less if he was gone though because I do prefer other characters and I know Goku will always get his time to shine at the end of the day.

You literally just said my number one reason for not liking Gohan that much.

[kinisking]

I think main characters tend to be far less interesting because their success doesn't seem earned and the writers usually try to hard to make them seem special which feels forced at times. However, I don't think Goku really is one of these cases. I think he's worked hard and his inclusion doesn't seem forced a lot of the time. I wouldn't enjoy the show any less if he was gone though because I do prefer other characters and I know Goku will always get his time to shine at the end of the day.

You literally just said my number one reason for not liking Gohan that much.

I can definitely see what you mean post cell arc. Before that he definitely worked for his power though. Especially when you consider that he doesnt like fighting. So every moment spent training and fighting was a far greater sacrifice than it was for other characters. Although I still prefer Boo arc Gohan because I love his personality and design!

[HeroR]

Giving how the main character is usually ranked #1 on character polls by a country mile, most fans like the main character. It usually in the US that we tend like the lancer more. For example, Vegeta and Zoro got rank #1 in the US, while neither ever beat Goku or Luffy in Japan. They're so popular that they have their own day. There's a reason why Gohan being the #1 character during the Cell Games stands out.