"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Subjectivity. I love the story behind it, and i hope it will be explained later in Dragon Ball Super, maybe with the Saiyans of U6

The displeasure one might get from being roasted over a fire is subjective. So what? You liking an unimaginative, nonsensical backstory doesn't make it hold up mechanically. I enjoy the Star Trek: Enterprise, I still acknowledge that it was criminally unfaithful the spirit of Star Trek.

[alakazam^]

Except that's just your opinion, it doesn't make it bad just because you think it is. A backstory is a backstory, which was his point, so that doesn't make it come out of nowhere.

[HeroR]

Well Namekians can go big so if changing hair is a transformation then so is that so that makes your point invalid to me.

Super Saiyan God still came out of nowhere with no history unlike Super Saiyan and giant ape.

Namekians turning big isn't a transformation despite what Xenoverse is trying to tell you. Piccolo only increased his size, something that even Roshi can do. Goku even told Piccolo that him getting bigger didn't make him stronger, just a bigger target.

Super Saiyan had no history either and came out of nowhere in the Freeza Saga. There is also a reason why Super Saiyan God was never mention, in that it's a legend that Saiyans themselves forgot. And that still doesn't change the fact that Saiyans and Freeza having transformed states have been part of their lore since their conception, while Namekians and humans don't, unless you count were-wolves for humans.

[namekiansaiyan]

Well Namekians can go big so if changing hair is a transformation then so is that so that makes your point invalid to me.

Super Saiyan God still came out of nowhere with no history unlike Super Saiyan and giant ape.

Namekians turning big isn't a transformation despite what Xenoverse is trying to tell you. Piccolo only increased his size, something that even Roshi can do. Goku even told Piccolo that him getting bigger didn't make him stronger, just a bigger target.

Super Saiyan had no history either and came out of nowhere in the Freeza Saga. There is also a reason why Super Saiyan God was never mention, in that it's a legend that Saiyans themselves forgot. And that still doesn't change the fact that Saiyans and Freeza having transformed states have been part of their lore since their conception, while Namekians and humans don't, unless you count were-wolves for humans.

The giant form still transforms Piccolo and changes the way he fights. His physical strength increases as well.

[Zeru14]

Well Namekians can go big so if changing hair is a transformation then so is that so that makes your point invalid to me.

Super Saiyan God still came out of nowhere with no history unlike Super Saiyan and giant ape.

Namekians turning big isn't a transformation despite what Xenoverse is trying to tell you. Piccolo only increased his size, something that even Roshi can do. Goku even told Piccolo that him getting bigger didn't make him stronger, just a bigger target.

Super Saiyan had no history either and came out of nowhere in the Freeza Saga. There is also a reason why Super Saiyan God was never mention, in that it's a legend that Saiyans themselves forgot. And that still doesn't change the fact that Saiyans and Freeza having transformed states have been part of their lore since their conception, while Namekians and humans don't, unless you count were-wolves for humans.

The giant form still transforms Piccolo and changes the way he fights. His physical strength increases as well.

Yes the Great Namek can be considered a transformation/power up for Nameks in a way, while the power level doesn't change, their physical strength increases making their punches harder and body durability also increases, making them harder to injure, that's why King Piccolo was such a tough opponent, and why Piccolo was able to put a beat down on Super Garlic Jr. after increasing his size, and Nameks do have other power up forms in Dragonball Online/Heroes, there is the still unnamed red-eyed form, which is basically the Namekian equivalent of SSJ, and the Bio-Armor, which seems to do what the Great Namek form does, increases strength and durability, but without increasing body size, therefore the Namek using it isn't making himself an easier target. It's a damn shame, Toriyama/Toei don't bring these forms into the manga/anime and make Piccolo(and Nameks in general) a power player again.

[HeroR]

The giant form still transforms Piccolo and changes the way he fights. His physical strength increases as well.

It isn't a transformation since all it does is increases Piccolo's mass. His power or speed doesn't go up at all, as Goku himself noted, unlike the Great Ape forms or even Master Roshi when he bulks up.

Yes the Great Namek can be considered a transformation/power up for Nameks in a way, while the power level doesn't change, their physical strength increases making their punches harder and body durability also increases, making them harder to injure, that's why King Piccolo was such a tough opponent, and why Piccolo was able to put a beat down on Super Garlic Jr. after increasing his size, and Nameks do have other power up forms in Dragonball Online/Heroes, there is the still unnamed red-eyed form, which is basically the Namekian equivalent of SSJ, and the Bio-Armor, which seems to do what the Great Namek form does, increases strength and durability, but without increasing body size, therefore the Namek using it isn't making himself an easier target. It's a damn shame, Toriyama/Toei don't bring these forms into the manga/anime and make Piccolo(and Nameks in general) a power player again.

King Piccolo never once became giant. He was just naturally big and Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power doesn't increase during the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament. Heroes makes a lot of stuff up, so it shouldn't be used as a reference point for anything outside of Heroes and maybe Xenoverse.

[AzuraRacon]

Dunno if it's my place to day this; but if this arguments gonna carry on any longer I think you should make your own topic for it

I don't think it belongs in an announcement thread

A quick off-topic back and forth is fine but this debate has spanned several pages

[perucho1990]

I also pray to god they never get to use the "4kids dub", how are they going to deal for example with Hit? Will they change his nickname from assasin to Punisher or something like that?

[namekiansaiyan]

Dunno if it's my place to day this; but if this arguments gonna carry on any longer I think you should make your own topic for it

I don't think it belongs in an announcement thread

A quick off-topic back and forth is fine but this debate has spanned several pages

This whole thread is full of stuff like this so it is completely normal gor this type of conversation to appear in here.

The giant form still transforms Piccolo and changes the way he fights. His physical strength increases as well.

It isn't a transformation since all it does is increases Piccolo's mass. His power or speed doesn't go up at all, as Goku himself noted, unlike the Great Ape forms or even Master Roshi when he bulks up.

Yes the Great Namek can be considered a transformation/power up for Nameks in a way, while the power level doesn't change, their physical strength increases making their punches harder and body durability also increases, making them harder to injure, that's why King Piccolo was such a tough opponent, and why Piccolo was able to put a beat down on Super Garlic Jr. after increasing his size, and Nameks do have other power up forms in Dragonball Online/Heroes, there is the still unnamed red-eyed form, which is basically the Namekian equivalent of SSJ, and the Bio-Armor, which seems to do what the Great Namek form does, increases strength and durability, but without increasing body size, therefore the Namek using it isn't making himself an easier target. It's a damn shame, Toriyama/Toei don't bring these forms into the manga/anime and make Piccolo(and Nameks in general) a power player again.

King Piccolo never once became giant. He was just naturally big and Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power doesn't increase during the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament. Heroes makes a lot of stuff up, so it shouldn't be used as a reference point for anything outside of Heroes and maybe Xenoverse.

His size and physical power do change so it is a transformation. Super Saiyan is basically a diluted Kaioken but for some reason some people do not call that a transformation

[HeroR]

I also pray to god they never get to use the "4kids dub", how are they going to deal for example with Hit? Will they change his nickname from assasin to Punisher or something like that?

Calling the edit dub "4Kids" is eye rolling. If you want to know what Super would be like, look no further than Kai that was edit for Nicktoons.

His size and physical power do change so it is a transformation. Super Saiyan is basically a diluted Kaioken but for some reason some people do not call that a transformation

Rewatched the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament when Piccolo went giant and see that Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power and speed didn't go up at all. All it did was make him bigger and easier to hit.

And call Super Saiyan a diluted Kaioken is just silly. Kaioken is a temporary power up that last only a few seconds. Super Saiyan inflates a Super Saiyan's overall power and can be maintained indefinitely when mastered. So it is a transformation and not a five second power boost.

[Noah]

The Kaioken does increase muscle mass when multiplied.

It gave me some Broly vibes lol

[Zeru14]

Rewatched the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament when Piccolo went giant and see that Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power and speed didn't go up at all. All it did was make him bigger and easier to hit.

Never said the Great Namek raises the power level of the Namek using it, just saying it counts a transformation because the user is literally transforming their body to be different from its original state, and while the form can make the user a easier target, depending on how large they make themselves(King Piccolo never used the maximum size, Piccolo Jr did that in the tournament), it does grant the user a power up of sorts, in the form of increased physical strength and durability, because of the increase of muscle mass.

[namekiansaiyan]

His size and physical power do change so it is a transformation. Super Saiyan is basically a diluted Kaioken but for some reason some people do not call that a transformation

Rewatched the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament when Piccolo went giant and see that Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power and speed didn't go up at all. All it did was make him bigger and easier to hit.

And call Super Saiyan a diluted Kaioken is just silly. Kaioken is a temporary power up that last only a few seconds. Super Saiyan inflates a Super Saiyan's overall power and can be maintained indefinitely when mastered. So it is a transformation and not a five second power boost.

In one of the guide books it says his physical power increases but it is harder to hit his target.

[HeroR]

Rewatched the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament when Piccolo went giant and see that Goku specifically said that Piccolo's power and speed didn't go up at all. All it did was make him bigger and easier to hit.

Never said the Great Namek raises the power level of the Namek using it, just saying it counts a transformation because the user is literally transforming their body to be different from its original state, and while the form can make the user a easier target, depending on how large they make themselves(King Piccolo never used the maximum size, Piccolo Jr did that in the tournament), it does grant the user a power up of sorts, in the form of increased physical strength and durability, because of the increase of muscle mass.

King Piccolo never used it, period. He was just naturally big. He never increased his size. And Goku outright said that Piccolo didn't get stronger at all. This is before Toriyama created the concept of power levels. The rest of your statement was never stated in the manga or anime.

In one of the guide books it says his physical power increases but it is harder to hit his target.

I take Goku's statement over a guide book. And Goku said that Piccolo didn't get stronger. All he did was make himself a huge target.

[Lujin_16]

Why is there C-17?? is he coming back in Super?? (Now Printing) new character??

[YonedgeHP]

Why is there C-17?? is he coming back in Super?? (Now Printing) new character??

Nothing special, those figures had Broly and Bardock there.

[Grimlock]

Why do people still think that characters receving toys mean they will appear in the anime series? I don't understand.

[perucho1990]

I also pray to god they never get to use the "4kids dub", how are they going to deal for example with Hit? Will they change his nickname from assasin to Punisher or something like that?

Calling the edit dub "4Kids" is eye rolling. If you want to know what Super would be like, look no further than Kai that was edit for Nicktoons.

I saw couple of episodes of the Nicktoons version, Spirit Gun was named Spirit Blast, they edited Goku punching Gohan, etc.

Some edits were understandable like Freeza torturing Krillin though.

4Kids basically turned censored dubs into memes.

[AzuraRacon]

I also pray to god they never get to use the "4kids dub", how are they going to deal for example with Hit? Will they change his nickname from assasin to Punisher or something like that?

Calling the edit dub "4Kids" is eye rolling. If you want to know what Super would be like, look no further than Kai that was edit for Nicktoons.

I saw couple of episodes of the Nicktoons version, Spirit Gun was named Spirit Blast, they edited Goku punching Gohan, etc.

Some edits were understandable like Freeza torturing Krillin though.

4Kids basically turned censored dubs into memes.

I can actually vouch for the Nictoons version, which is what Funimation produced. It didn't take things that far and even left in a lot of references to Death in the first arc
I distinctly remember Krillin saying "Everyone's Dying and I don't know how to Stop it"
You're thinking of the 4Kidz/Toonzai version, which edited it even further. (IE Calling the Spirit Bomb the Spirit Blast and the Galick Gun the Galick Blast) Using Sound-alike actors that sometimes didn't even sound similar
And also added Sparkles whenever someone was vaporized and recolored Cell's crotch-piece Green in every form for still-undisclozed reasons
And left in a timestamp right before Frieza sliced himself in half

Really considering what the 4Kids broadcast did to that show, and that it was the most accessible version at the time, It's really no wonder people are afraid of Super getting edited

[Alruneia]

Why is there C-17?? is he coming back in Super?? (Now Printing) new character??

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Don't read too far into it. It also has SSJ3 Gogeta (far left).
"Character A" is interesting, though. It could be a new character, but it could also easily be an old character being brought back.