Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Lord Beerus]

Gonna be a bit lazy and basically repeat what I stated in the "Post your Resurrection F Theatre Experience" thread:

First, the negatives. Lets start with the big one: The ending. Okay, the whole purpose of the film was to explore the major flaws within people, and yet when Goku and Vegeta know about their flaws and experience the consequences from their shortcomings, they still didn't learn anything. So what the whole point of exploring their shortcomings if it didn't do anything to change or develop their characters? I mean, holy shit, that was incredibly anticlimactic and poorly handled. I know this was 94 minute film, but I feel as though things could have been wrapped up more neatly. The CGI, will it blended okay in some regard, stuck out like a sore thumb in others. It was better than CGI that was in BOG, but that is by no mean a compliment. Scrap CGI on future movies Toei, it just ain't working. Okay I gotta blunt, I started to care less and less about SSJGSSJ Goku vs Golden Freeza as the fight went on. Even for a 94 minute film, this fight felt like it lasted a bit too long for its own good. Also, I didn't like that Beerus was really just a spectator. I know he was the main antagonist in the last DBZ movie, but I felt as though he could have contributed more to the plot than just to be a bystander and gush over food.

Now, onto the positives. The majority of the fight scenes were bloody spectacular, with the highlight being the Z-Warriors taking on Freeza's army. Goku and Vegeta training with Whis and SBG Goku vs Final Form Freeza were also fantastic. Seriously, the movie had some of the best fight choreography the franchise has ever seen. The FUNi dub was magnificent. The best dubbing for anything Dragon Ball related, ever. Schemmel, Sabat and Rail all brought their A-game, Ayres killed it as Freeza (as expected) and Haberkorn really delivered as Jaco. The soundtrack was also fantastic. Sumitomo's best work yet. The comedy was also very well done. I legit laughed out loud at Jaco's drawing of Freeza, as did all of the audience. Jaco seriously stole the show; he was amazing in practically every scene he was in. The animations as a whole was also gorgeous.

Now, was the movie as good as Battle Of Gods? No, not in my opinion. But as a standalone 94 minute animated movie, it holds up really damn well, even if you're not a DBZ fan. If BOG was 9.5 on my scale of enjoyment, then Resurrection F is an 9. A really damn good Dragon Ball Z movie in its own self-contained regard.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

First, the negatives. Lets start with the big one: The ending. Okay, the whole purpose of the film was to explore the major flaws within people, and yet when Goku and Vegeta know about their flaws and experience the consequences from their shortcomings, they still didn't learn anything. So what the whole point of exploring their shortcomings if it didn't do anything to change or develop their characters? I mean, holy shit, that was incredibly anticlimactic and poorly handled.

The ending is my main gripe with the film, it wraps everything up way too quickly. Battle of Gods had a much better ending by showing a conversation between Beerus and Whis at their home and showing the gang hanging out at Bulma's party again. That was like around 5 minutes of ending time which is perfect. Resurrection 'F' wraps everything up in a minute, WAY too fast. They should have spent more time with Goku and Vegeta talking about their weaknesses, show Jaco leaving the planet and end it all with a funny moment like how Battle of Gods did it. A more polished ending would have really made it the perfect Dragon Ball movie for me. This is why Resurrection 'F' needs an extended edition... No, Super does not count as an extended edition.

[JulieYBM]

Julian just mentioned on Twitter that Yamamuro Tadayoshi storyboarded the entire movie by himself in just one month. The movie is nearly the length of five television episodes. The average television episode has about three weeks for its storyboarding process. This movie really was rushed.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Julian just mentioned on Twitter that Yamamuro Tadayoshi storyboarded the entire movie by himself in just one month. The movie is nearly the length of five television episodes. The average television episode has about three weeks for its storyboarding process. This movie really was rushed.

Wow, really? Still, the film still turned out really well in my opinion.

[Chuquita]

Julian just mentioned on Twitter that Yamamuro Tadayoshi storyboarded the entire movie by himself in just one month. The movie is nearly the length of five television episodes. The average television episode has about three weeks for its storyboarding process. This movie really was rushed.

WOW. O_O No wonder they had Yamamuro do it; he was probably the only one willing to take on that much work over that unbelievably tight a schedule.

[JulieYBM]

He might've done it all in a month to give his key animators more time to work instead of getting some of them to help draw other parts of the storyboard. Kami to Kami had Dragon Ball Super Series Director Chioka Kimitoshi, Takenouchi Kazuhisa, Yamamuro Tadayoshi and Film Director Hosoda Masahiro storyboard what was apparently a storyboard so long it would have run for two hours as a movie. Shida Naotoshi also storyboarded his fight scene, but went without credit.

Both movies have six animation supervisors, two of which are talented action animators that don't actually get to show off much of anything in either film. Kami to Kami had seventy-seven key animators. Fukkatsu no F has sixty-one key animators, which means it had more time or it had less available resources. I'm inclined to believe the latter, due to how many series were in production during Fukkatsu no F.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Even though it was disappointing compared to Battle of Gods, I liked Resurrection "F" for what it was. Despite how there's really nothing super interesting going on with the animation (and soooometimes choreography), the more we learn about the production, the more I feel that the film turning out as good as it did is actually kind of amazing. xD

[Bullza]

I remember all the whining that was going on back when the images and trailers were released and people were saying how the animation was poor and it was going to end up looking worse than Battle of Gods and all the complaining was for nothing.

[sangofe]

Even for a 94 minute film, this fight felt like it lasted a bit too long for its own good. Also, I didn't like that Beerus was really just a spectator. I know he was the main antagonist in the last DBZ movie, but I felt as though he could have contributed more to the plot than just to be a bystander and gush over food.

And this is why opinion will always be subjective and not thus you should not form an opinion of something before you've seen or done it yourself. To me, the fight and movie was way too short. And I really hope that in Super they'll expand on a lot of things. It'd do this good.

[Blade]

Not a single person in my screen groaned when Freeza first spoke it was like everyone was in awe! I was preparing for the worse but pleasantly surprised. My screening was cropped a bit from the top and bottom though, nothing too serious luckily, they did last minute move the screen to a bigger one so they probably had it adjusted for the other screen, going again on Friday hopefully it is not like that again.

It's a complex one. I mean, when you've got an audience who are presumably accustomed to Linda Young's Freeza and the other main players such as Goku et al all are all presented intact with their familiar voices, it's a big nostalgia kick where Ayres is a noticeable outlier. Of course, for those who are more attuned with Ryusei Nakao's Freeza, it's incredibly easy to see how Ayres' performance is channeling a lot of that characterisation in terms of tone and affectations, but there is nevertheless a large general audience out there who simply aren't versed in that. I think the dramatic shift in tone, which ironically represents a much more faithful depiction of the character, is more liable to invoke a sense of cognitive dissonance in such an audience than Monica Rial's Bulma, for example, which is very much along the same lines as Tiffany Vollmer's portrayal.

It is a difficult yet common issue, that I find more interesting than I do annoying. I honestly find nothing more jarring than the type of fan who goes around on a high horse 'correcting' people about these things, as even if done with the best if intentions, just comes across as elitist. For me it has to be one of those 'live and let live' situations.

Where did you go to see it? Wanna make sure I avoid it.

It was Showcase Cinemas in Teesside.

I remember all the whining that was going on back when the images and trailers were released and people were saying how the animation was poor and it was going to end up looking worse than Battle of Gods and all the complaining was for nothing.

Which I think has actually benefited the community in the long run in a strange sort of way. Some of the more prominent doomsayers on the subject are actually among the best-informed animation production enthusiasts on here, and I think the RoF experience has definitely made the week-by-week analysis threads of Super a lot more objective and grounded.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Something I love doing is comparing the final product to early versions of the film, check out the differences:
Top image is the first trailer whereas the bottom one is the final film.

Spoiler:

Freeza looks completely different here. At first I thought I took an image of the wrong frame but no, it's the same frame, Freeza's been redrawn.

Spoiler:

Freeza's blast has changed colour and is now CGI.

Spoiler:

The lighting here has been changed and Freeza's aura has been taken out.

[Lord Beerus]

Julian just mentioned on Twitter that Yamamuro Tadayoshi storyboarded the entire movie by himself in just one month. The movie is nearly the length of five television episodes. The average television episode has about three weeks for its storyboarding process. This movie really was rushed.

That is remarkable. That just makes how the film turned out visually even more amazing in hindsight. But it also proves just how awful Toei are when it comes to the production stage of any kind of animation.

[TheRed259]

Top image is the first trailer whereas the bottom one is the final film.

Spoiler:

The lighting here has been changed and Freeza's aura has been taken out.

I like this change. I wish we could also have the very 1st version of Gohan going Super Saiyan.
https://youtu.be/SHQO_Y459N4?t=39

[Son Edo]

Apologies, I haven't been keeping up on the news. But since they're retelling the movies in Super, are BOG and ROF not canon now, lol.

[Doctor.]

I remember all the whining that was going on back when the images and trailers were released and people were saying how the animation was poor and it was going to end up looking worse than Battle of Gods and all the complaining was for nothing.

But it did end up looking worse than Battle of Gods, in my opinion. You shouldn't say these kinds of things as if you're speaking for everyone.

[Ajay]

I like this change. I wish we could also have the very 1st version of Gohan going Super Saiyan.
https://youtu.be/SHQO_Y459N4?t=39

We...do? What do you think was different in the film?

[ekrolo2]

How I wish the new stuff looked more like Yo Son Goku, the lack of "shininess" on people's faces and the less roided out looking bodies makes things a lot more appealing to the eye.

[Captain Space]

Really enjoyed seeing this in cinemas last night! The action up on that big screen was epic and very...martial-arts-y? Well-choreographed, you know. Definitely surprised me just how funny it was, too, plenty of big audience laughs...music was good, characters enjoyable...and yeah, most of the plot holes and such seemed much less like big deals actually seeing the movie rather than just being told about them.

I didn't get the sense that people disliked the ending, but a lot of people seemed to call it in advance, so there's that. My 13-year-old sister was with me and she absolutely loved it of course, she just exploded when Vegeta transformed.

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

I like this change. I wish we could also have the very 1st version of Gohan going Super Saiyan.
https://youtu.be/SHQO_Y459N4?t=39

We...do? What do you think was different in the film?

Gohan's Saiyan aura was much brighter in the film whereas in the first trailer it wasn't as bright and you could see through his Saiyan aura.

Spoiler:

[Ajay]

Huh, cool. Never noticed that before. Thanks!

Think the newer one fits the context of the scene better, even if the older version is more appealing on its own.