The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Roronoa-pt » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:45 pm

ZombieVito wrote:Ox king vs Mummy.
Grandpa Gohan [DB-] vs Goku [21st TB].
Yamu vs Pamput.
Sorbet [No ring] vs Roshi [22nd TB; No full power form].
Combine Pilaf machine vs Black's robot.
Appule vs Bardock [DB-].
Kuririn [Universal Survival arc] vs Freeza [Namek arc; 2nd form].
- Mummy wins easily, he's stated to be above 21st TB Goku, who is equal to Roshi.

- Pass

- Yamu wins thanks to his durability.

- Sorbet isn't really a fighter, I think Roshi gets this

- Black's robot was able to damage Goku. The same thing can't be said about Pilaf's machine. Officer Black wins.

- Pass

- I have both Kuririn and Tenshinhan slightly above Freeza's 2nd form but way bellow Freeza's 3rd form. He wins after a very hard battle.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:03 pm

DanielSSJ wrote: - Super, don't care.
Responses like this are honestly getting annoying. Just edit the question out from the quote and don't say anything.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:10 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:Goku runs Shonen hero gauntlet (all the heroes are equal to current Goku. So the battles will rely on how skilled and determined they are.)

1. Luffy
2. Ichigo (Goku can see and hurt him)
3. Naruto (clones aren't the same strength as naruto)
4. Gon
5. Yuskue
6. Inyuhasha
7. One Punch-man (no gag abilities)
8: Seiya
9. Toriko
10. kenshiro
11. Jotaro
12. Sailor moon
1.Can't say for sure, haven't seen all of OP. But I'll place my bet on the guy who's an actual trained martial artist with tricks like teleportation up his alley rather than some rubber-man. Goku wins unless Luffy gets a "Nakama boost". Goku stomps unless I'm missing something.
2. Ichigo rushes in to attack Goku but Goku blocks his sword with one finger. Kind of like how he blocked Trunks' sword but maybe a bit more similar to this. Ichigo can't use his Reiatsu efficiently but perhaps if he released it all in the form of Mugetsu then he'd stand a chance? Goku wins 9 times out of 10.
3. This is tricky. Goku already dealt with Tenshinhan's clones before so I guess if the same rules apply then he'd win here too. Besides, Naruto really isn't as experienced as Goku at all. I still won't doubt it if Naruto does pull the win though, he's a pretty sneaky bastard. Goku wins 8 times out of 10.
4. Gon actually knows how to use his Nen so I guess that's a start. His arsenal's pretty simple though, so I doubt he could win at all. Goku stomps.
5. Pass, haven't seen YYH yet.
6. Pass, haven't seen Inuyasha.
7. What is Saitama without his gag abilities? Some random guy who trained for like 3 years everyday and doesn't even have any actual techniques? Shit stomp in Goku's favor.
8. Pass, haven't seen Saint Seiya either.
9. Pass, never intend to see or read Toriko.
Haven't seen the rest either, so I can't say anything for sure.

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1. Omegamon (Or Digimon of your choice) vs. Raditz era Goku (Or DB/Z character of your choice)
2. Nozawa's performance as Dukemon/Gallantmon vs. Nozawa's performance as Goku
3. Tao Pai Pai vs. Grandpa Gohan (Equal battle powers)
4. Cell games arc Gohan vs. Buu arc Gohan (Equal battle powers)
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DanielSSJ wrote: - Super, don't care.
Responses like this are honestly getting annoying. Just edit the question out from the quote and don't say anything.
I agree. Having strong opinions isn't a bad thing, and Super isn't without its flaws at all, but this still rustles my jimmies.
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Post by apex_pretador » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:40 pm

Berserker1921 wrote: Next gauntlet; Zeno vs the gods

1. Odin skyfather (full power)
2. Fully fed Galactus
3. Nekron (full power)
4. Anti-monitor (full power)
5. Mxylplizk
6. Molecule man
7. Living Tribunal
8. Michael demigros or Lucifer Morningstar?
1. Zeno
2. Zeno
3. Zeno
4. Dunno
5. Mxy stomps
6. Molecule man
7. LT stomps
8. Either of them stomps.

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Kid buu blows up the planet and goes to lunch.
ZombieVito wrote:Ox king vs Mummy.
Grandpa Gohan [DB-] vs Goku [21st TB].
Yamu vs Pamput.
Sorbet [No ring] vs Roshi [22nd TB; No full power form].
Combine Pilaf machine vs Black's robot.
Appule vs Bardock [DB-].
Kuririn [Universal Survival arc] vs Freeza [Namek arc; 2nd form].
Mummy
I will favor Gohan since he is still aware of the tail weakness and goku is much weaker here.
Pamput
Sorbet
Who knows
Freeza blows up the planet
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:48 pm

King Chapa vs Karin

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Post by Gog » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:46 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:King Chapa vs Karin
Karin easily defeats him, while Chapa is amazing, Karin is just simply a Super Human in comparison to him.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:05 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:King Chapa vs Karin
Karin wins. Goku is stated to surpass Karin's powers only at his 22nd Budokai self. Karin is still superior to Baba Arc Goku, who is not that much weaker than King Chappa. I have Karin probably around 22nd Budokai Roshi's strenght.

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Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:10 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
VegetaSSJBlue wrote:King Chapa vs Karin
Karin wins. Goku is stated to surpass Karin's powers only at his 22nd Budokai self. Karin is still superior to Baba Arc Goku, who is not that much weaker than King Chappa. I have Karin probably around 22nd Budokai Roshi's strenght.
Karin is equal or slightly stronger than the Goku who defeated Tao Pai Pai.
King Chapa also beats that Goku.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:14 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Karin is equal or slightly stronger than the Goku who defeated Tao Pai Pai.
King Chapa also beats that Goku.
I agree that Chappa beats that Goku. But I don't think it's stated that Karin was equal or just slightly stronger than that Goku. Goku did improve his strenght a lot for the Budokai, and there's a lot of gap between Baba Arc Goku and 22nd Budokai Arc Goku to fit Karin's strenght. With Chappa, however, he has to be weaker than Chiaotzu, Yamcha and Krillin, who are below Tsuru, who in turn is below Roshi, who is below Goku's Match Level, who is below his Battle Level and Tien.

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Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:30 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Karin is equal or slightly stronger than the Goku who defeated Tao Pai Pai.
King Chapa also beats that Goku.
I agree that Chappa beats that Goku. But I don't think it's stated that Karin was equal or just slightly stronger than that Goku. Goku did improve his strenght a lot for the Budokai, and there's a lot of gap between Baba Arc Goku and 22nd Budokai Arc Goku to fit Karin's strenght. With Chappa, however, he has to be weaker than Chiaotzu, Yamcha and Krillin, who are below Tsuru, who in turn is below Roshi, who is below Goku's Match Level, who is below his Battle Level and Tien.
Goku was able to get Karin's water, so in strength they have to be close. I do not see anything to indicate that Karin beats Krillin or Chaoz, much less Roshi.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:54 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
VegetaSSJBlue wrote: Karin is equal or slightly stronger than the Goku who defeated Tao Pai Pai.
King Chapa also beats that Goku.
I agree that Chappa beats that Goku. But I don't think it's stated that Karin was equal or just slightly stronger than that Goku. Goku did improve his strenght a lot for the Budokai, and there's a lot of gap between Baba Arc Goku and 22nd Budokai Arc Goku to fit Karin's strenght. With Chappa, however, he has to be weaker than Chiaotzu, Yamcha and Krillin, who are below Tsuru, who in turn is below Roshi, who is below Goku's Match Level, who is below his Battle Level and Tien.
Goku was able to get Karin's water, so in strength they have to be close. I do not see anything to indicate that Karin beats Krillin or Chaoz, much less Roshi.
Well, I don't think the gap between Goku (Post Korin) and King Chappa was that big at all in comparison to Korin's gap with him. Sure, Goku is able to get Korin's water, but that doesn't mean that Goku has to be that close to Korin in strenght. For example, Kaioken X2 Goku vs Vegeta, I do see Goku being able to catch Vegeta's water (if he has one, obviously), despite the difference in power between them which is like a 1.125. Fighting is not that similar to catch things. Although you were able to convince me that Korin is not around Roshi. But I'd still place him around Krillin or Yamcha, and I'd say he definetely defeats Chiaotzu without the use of his special powers.

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:55 pm

VegetaSSJBlue wrote:King Chapa vs Karin
Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:58 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.
Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.

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Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:12 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.
Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.

I was going to answer the same thing, Karin is not that strong. It still seems a lot to me that Karin is much stronger than Goku.

In numbers:
Karin: 100
Goku: 95

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:12 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.
Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.
Official sources disagree.

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ZombieVito wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.
Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.
Official sources disagree.
If you are referring to the 180 and 260 numbers on the Daizenshuu, then those numbers are wrong. Even though the official numbers make sense in DBZ, they don't make sense in Dragon Ball. Even BOD Goku's 10 doesn't make sense. How can Goku and Tien to be at 180, if we have lots of evidences in the manga to prove otherwise?

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:22 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote: Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.
Official sources disagree.
If you are referring to the 180 and 260 numbers on the Daizenshuu, then those numbers are wrong. Even though the official numbers make sense in DBZ, they don't make sense in Dragon Ball. Even BOD Goku's 10 doesn't make sense. How can Goku and Tien to be at 180, if we have lots of evidences in the manga to prove otherwise?
It's not my place to dispute official information. It is what it is.

Funny enough, Karin only says Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB in the manga.

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Post by VegetaSSJBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:23 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: Karin one shots. He's even stronger than BoZ Yamcha, Chappa stands no chance.
Karin is not stronger than BoZ Yamcha. Keep in mind that Yamcha is able to follow the speed of 23rd Budokai Weighted Goku, a speed that is equal to Young King Piccolo's. Karin is stated to be below 22nd Budokai Goku, a Goku that was not able to keep up with Old King Piccolo's movements at all.
Official sources disagree.
Do you always repeat the same sentence? In the comic they never said Karin's battle power.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:33 pm

ZombieVito wrote: It's not my place to dispute official information. It is what it is.

Funny enough, Karin only says Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB in the manga.
What happens in the manga is what counts, because all those "official" Dragon Ball power levels contradict many proofs from the story, incluiding the true official levels from the Raditz arc. As I said, it's impossible for Goku and Tien to be 180, since that would make them stronger than 23rd Budokai Yamcha, and that is not the case. Also the same goes for the 260 level for Goku and King Piccolo, they are both supposed to be below Tien's BOZ level of 250.

Even if 22nd Budokai is above Korin, Korin would still have to be way weaker than 23rd and BOZ Yamcha, given that there's a lot of proof for that version of Yamcha to be stronger than 22nd Budokai Goku.

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:38 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
ZombieVito wrote: It's not my place to dispute official information. It is what it is.

Funny enough, Karin only says Goku surpassed him after the 22nd TB in the manga.
What happens in the manga is what counts, because all those "official" Dragon Ball power levels contradict many proofs from the story, incluiding the true official levels from the Raditz arc. As I said, it's impossible for Goku and Tien to be 180, since that would make them stronger than 23rd Budokai Yamcha, and that is not the case. Also the same goes for the 260 level for Goku and King Piccolo, they are both supposed to be below Tien's BOZ level of 250.

Even if 22nd Budokai is above Korin, Korin would still have to be way weaker than 23rd and BOZ Yamcha, given that there's a lot of proof for that version of Yamcha to be stronger than 22nd Budokai Goku.
Official sources disagree. :thumbup:

Besides there's nothing indicating that Yamcha surpassed 22nd TB Goku.

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