The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

Ginyu V Piccolo(Namek, pre fusion)

[mcdjbeatz]

Ginyu V Piccolo(Namek, pre fusion)

Ginyu easily takes this, I think don't think there is any way that Piccolo got as strong as Ginyu in only 6 days of training on Kaio's planet, when Piccolo was talking with Nail he was astounded with Piccolo's power which could be interpreted as Piccolo as having gotten stronger than Nail but that is debatable. Nail thought Piccolo stood no chance against Frieza who had fought Nail while heavily suppressed who I think was around Ginyu level. Even if Piccolo was stronger and overpowered Ginyu, Ginyu could punch a hole in his own body and use the body change leaving Piccolo in a crippled body.

[pacz360]

I am you ignoring the context of the battle goku was clearly holding back on krillin none of krillin's even hurt goku at all he only went ssj due to krillin going for a ring out and only went blue to test his resolve.

But what I'm trying to say that Goku shouldn't have to go ssj to avoid a ring out... Goku's base is supposed to be above ssj3 now, and Krillin is still weaker than first form Frieza on namek, lol.

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

[MisteryOne]

But what I'm trying to say that Goku shouldn't have to go ssj to avoid a ring out... Goku's base is supposed to be above ssj3 now, and Krillin is still weaker than first form Frieza on namek, lol.

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

Unless you are telling me that Goku want Krillin and 18 to be OVERconfident, there is no point in transforming into a SSB. Krillin is not stupid, he knows he should not even be able to touch Base Goku. Goku went SSB and was SURPRISED when he saw Krillin being able to battle him with a Kame Hame Ha. The «he was holding back» is just a pure headcanon, a shitty excuse from people trying to defend the power scale of Super, and at the same time the only thing you are doing is making either Goku or Krillin stupid. Either Goku is stupid because he has hold back so much that Krillin and 18 are now confident about beating together a Blue tier enemy. Not to speak the amount of % that Goku should use in order to hold back that much yet its ridiculous. Or , in the other hand, Krillin is stupid enough to think a few months os training (and not training at all in the case of 18!) can allow them to beat SSB Goku, despite having sensed the power of Base Goku before, and knowing Blue is an even higher multiplier than SS3.

Do you even read what you write? If Goku has been holding back so much, by the time Krillin will face a Blue tier opponent:
-he will not even know ot since he could not even FEEL SSB'S KI.
-he will not even have a chance, but he will think that he actually has! Thats totally stupid!

Not only that, if Goku can hold back so much and wants to test the strengh of his friends, why he didn't do it against Skinny Boo?

Not onlt that, but the fact thay Goku show surprise pretty much shows that the writers of the episode didn't want in any moment to make the viewer think Goku was holding back. Its just a pure headcanon based on nothing, so of course people will be «bitching», because you Super fanboys are trying to make everyone see something that has NOT being explained, NOT implied in the episode at all, and its just pure headcanon that tries too hard to make sense of somerhing that never tried to make sense at all in the mind of the writers of the episode themselves. It has not been explained a single time without making the characters utterly stupid.

[The gr]

Gotenks ss1 vs majin Buu

piccolo vs dabura

Cabba base vs piccolo

[pacz360]

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

Unless you are telling me that Goku want Krillin and 18 to be OVERconfident, there is no point in transforming into a SSB. Krillin is not stupid, he knows he should not even be able to touch Base Goku. Goku went SSB and was SURPRISED when he saw Krillin being able to battle him with a Kame Hame Ha. The «he was holding back» is just a pure headcanon, a shitty excuse from people trying to defend the power scale of Super, and at the same time the only thing you are doing is making either Goku or Krillin stupid. Either Goku is stupid because he has hold back so much that Krillin and 18 are now confident about beating together a Blue tier enemy. Not to speak the amount of % that Goku should use in order to hold back that much yet its ridiculous. Or , in the other hand, Krillin is stupid enough to think a few months os training (and not training at all in the case of 18!) can allow them to beat SSB Goku, despite having sensed the power of Base Goku before, and knowing Blue is an even higher multiplier than SS3.

Do you even read what you write? If Goku has been holding back so much, by the time Krillin will face a Blue tier opponent:
-he will not even know ot since he could not even FEEL SSB'S KI.
-he will not even have a chance, but he will think that he actually has! Thats totally stupid!

Not only that, if Goku can hold back so much and wants to test the strengh of his friends, why he didn't do it against Skinny Boo?

Not onlt that, but the fact thay Goku show surprise pretty much shows that the writers of the episode didn't want in any moment to make the viewer think Goku was holding back. Its just a pure headcanon based on nothing, so of course people will be «bitching», because you Super fanboys are trying to make everyone see something that has NOT being explained, NOT implied in the episode at all, and its just pure headcanon that tries too hard to make sense of somerhing that never tried to make sense at all in the mind of the writers of the episode themselves. It has not been explained a single time without making the characters utterly stupid.

Muh fanboys Jesus shit like this proves people like you don't get the point of this episodedo you?
It's a show for kids not a complex math problem. I don't need it tell me was goku using 000000455% of his power on krillin its obvious as day and night goku was holding back on krillin.
Was whis going all out on goku during their brief spar on beerus planet considering he used a ki blast he didn't even do it before?
No.
Seriously dude just drop it it's been explained multiple times at this point it's pretty much beating a dead horse
Take your bitching in one of the threads in the super forums
Call me a fanboy or whatever ain't gonna help Ya arguments considering I called out super shit during the future trunks arc and said before its power scaling is shit.
So hey if you wanna bitch about be my guest cause it's been two weeks since the episode. Don't bother trying to apply z logic logic To it considering super could give two shits about it.

[ryan1227]

Ginyu V Piccolo(Namek, pre fusion)

Because fusing with Kami is a 2x increase for Piccolo according to the Grand Elder, and Nail stated that if Piccolo fused with Kami he might be able to beat First Form Freeza, I have this Piccolo a little more than half as strong as First Form Freeza. That's still way more than what Ginyu can say, so Piccolo easily smacks his head off.

[Nejishiki]

Grand Elder claimed that Piccolo would double his power with God? That doesn't sound quite right. At least, I recall Kuririn claiming a merging with God is useful due to Piccolo's continuous training. Not that it would be but I don't think it's a static level-up based on that observation (as Kuririn's reference & Piccolo's potential are fluid).

[ryan1227]

Grand Elder claimed that Piccolo would double his power with God? That doesn't sound quite right. At least, I recall Kuririn claiming a merging with God is useful due to Piccolo's continuous training. Not that it would be but I don't think it's a static level-up based on that observation (as Kuririn's reference & Piccolo's potential are fluid).

He didn't directly state that Piccolo would double his power, but he did state that Katatz's child had his power split in half when he split into Piccolo and Kami:

Chapter: 265 (DBZ 71), P3.4-5
Context: the Great Elder reads Kuririn’s mind and learns of God and Piccolo.
Great Elder: “Hmf! He split in two, long ago…after evil entered into him! How foolish… He diminished by half the genius power with which he was gifted at birth! If he had come back together as one, he might not have had to die…”

[Berserker1921]

Pride Troopers (all we seen)

1. Toppo
2. Jiren
3. Dyspo
4. General

Vs

Ginyu force

1. Ginyu (no body swap)
2. Jeice
3. Recoome
4. Burter

They are both equal power levels and they have to fight one another in battle and posing. Who wins?

[Ki Breaker]

Pride Troopers (all we seen)

1. Toppo
2. Jiren
3. Dyspo
4. General

Vs

Ginyu force

1. Ginyu (no body swap)
2. Jeice
3. Recoome
4. Burter

They are both equal power levels and they have to fight one another in battle and posing. Who wins?

Without their power levels they don't seem much..
Sure toppo can do bone displacement but burter is fast, jeice and a special with burter, recoome is a tank and ginyu also dosen't have anything other than power and body swap which you said not to consider..

I have to go with a tie in fight because the general and dyspo seem to be having specials with them as well..

For posing ginyu force all the way

[Ki Breaker]

Fight

Zeke Yeager vs Great ape kid Gohan

Seriously? No one knows attack on Titan or what
Let me add more details, Zeke can transform at will and so can Gohan..
Gohan has full control, coz why not

[MisteryOne]

Fight

Zeke Yeager vs Great ape kid Gohan

Seriously? No one knows attack on Titan or what
Let me add more details, Zeke can transform at will and so can Gohan..
Gohan has full control, coz why not

I would say Zeke. He seems to have the ability to harden himself (or at least he tried to do it against Levi) and as far as we know he can spam normal titans. Its hard to tell trough, since DB characters are really OP if you think about it. If is Kid Gohan, I would say Zeke...

[Vegetes]

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

[mcdjbeatz]

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

Super Saiyan Nappitz would be more than enough even if potara fusion only multiples the user's power together, I have SSJ Great Ape (Golden Great Ape) at a 500x multiplier (SSJ X Great Ape) which means Frieza would be dead before he could even blink.

Gotenks ss1 vs majin Buu

piccolo vs dabura

Cabba base vs piccolo

If Gotenks doesn't screw around then even SSJ Gotenks Pre ROSAT could beat Fat Buu, When Gotenks first fused into a super saiyan Piccolo was astounded by his ki and when Gotenks flew off to take on Majin Buu Piccolo only thought it was a bad idea because of Gotenks almost being out of fusion time rather than being weaker, in addition Goku was confident that a fusion between Goten and Trunks would be enough to beat Fat Buu. This leads to believe that SSJ Gotenks>Fat Buu.
I believe Piccolo surpassed Dabura in BOG however if I don't think Piccolo could confidently beat him until ROF because it would be close enough of a gap to where Dabura could do him in with his spit.
Base Goku and Base Vegeta were more or less equals in the Universe 6 vs 7 arc who in turn was equal with Base Cabba, both Piccolo and the saiyans stood no chance against Frost in his final form as Goku and Vegeta both had to transform to confidently overpower him and Piccolo was told by Goku that he stood no chance. The fact that Piccolo stood up to Frost well in both the manga and anime leads me to believe that Piccolo is around 2-3x weaker than Frost and the fact that a suppressed Goku was having trouble with third form Frost leads me to believe that Piccolo and the base saiyans are in a similar ballpark. Even if they aren't in a similar ballpark Piccolo would be able to beat Base Cabba with the special beam cannon as he would have been able to beat Frost with it if not for the poison needle who is stronger than the base saiyans.

[DanielSSJ]

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

By my arbitrary fusion formula that holds no real weight, a Super Great Ape Rappa would be within spitting distance of 100% Freeza, but his performance would be marred by the fact that he turns into a mindless beast in that form (unless stated otherwise, I'm assuming that Nappa and Raditz can't control themselves as Great Apes).

[Vegetes]

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

Super Saiyan Nappitz would be more than enough even if potara fusion only multiples the user's power together, I have SSJ Great Ape (Golden Great Ape) at a 500x multiplier (SSJ X Great Ape) which means Frieza would be dead before he could even blink.

Gotenks ss1 vs majin Buu

piccolo vs dabura

Cabba base vs piccolo

If Gotenks doesn't screw around then even SSJ Gotenks Pre ROSAT could beat Fat Buu, When Gotenks first fused into a super saiyan Piccolo was astounded by his ki and when Gotenks flew off to take on Majin Buu Piccolo only thought it was a bad idea because of Gotenks almost being out of fusion time rather than being weaker, in addition Goku was confident that a fusion between Goten and Trunks would be enough to beat Fat Buu. This leads to believe that SSJ Gotenks>Fat Buu.
I believe Piccolo surpassed Dabura in BOG however if I don't think Piccolo could confidently beat him until ROF because it would be close enough of a gap to where Dabura could do him in with his spit.
Base Goku and Base Vegeta were more or less equals in the Universe 6 vs 7 arc who in turn was equal with Base Cabba, both Piccolo and the saiyans stood no chance against Frost in his final form as Goku and Vegeta both had to transform to confidently overpower him and Piccolo was told by Goku that he stood no chance. The fact that Piccolo stood up to Frost well in both the manga and anime leads me to believe that Piccolo is around 2-3x weaker than Frost and the fact that a suppressed Goku was having trouble with third form Frost leads me to believe that Piccolo and the base saiyans are in a similar ballpark. Even if they aren't in a similar ballpark Piccolo would be able to beat Base Cabba with the special beam cannon as he would have been able to beat Frost with it if not for the poison needle who is stronger than the base saiyans.

I don't think Piccolo was that much weaker then Dabura, if at all in the Buu saga
It's been stated Piccolo isn't​ the type to just run up to an opponent he can't beat (unless desperate), after watching Dabura show his strength, Piccolo still went up to him and attacked and I think said "you're mine". And Dabura didn't Beat Piccolo By Strength, He spat at him and turned him to stone, imo the fight was more "Hax" then a Battle of strength.

Imo piccolo could've maybe bested him, or at least for a fact there is no way he was weaker then the base saiyans in the Buu saga.

And I Think Goku said he stood no chance, Because How he beat Goku, well he knew something was Going on with Frost, he thought it was largely because of strength
I clearly interpreted it as that Goku thought Frost was stronger than he was.

Also in the manga, they were pretty on par if my memory serves correctly, If anything Piccolo was stronger.

[The gr]

Cell games Goku vs dabura

super saiyan God vegeta vs super saiyan rage trunks

Lavender vs Basil not drugged

future Gohan vs Android saga Vegeta

[Krillin1994]

Babidi's strength is never really quite fully known.

So lets have him run a namek Gauntlet, he's healed by buu after every round.

Babidi vs Cui
Babidi vs Zarbon
Babidi vs Vegeta (Post Zarbon Zenkai)
Babidi vs Gudo
Babidi vs Nail
Babidi vs Recoome
Babidi vs Burter
Babidi vs Jeice
Babidi vs Ginyu
Babidi vs Goku (Pre zenkai)

Babidi vs Frieza (1st form)
Babidi vs Piccolo (with Nail)
Babidi vs Frieza (2nd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (3rd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (final form)
Babidi vs Goku (Post zenkai)
Babidi vs SSJ Goku

[Polyphase Avatron]

That monster the Pride Troopers fought in the newest episode vs. Hirudegarn