The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Cell games Goku vs dabura

super saiyan God vegeta vs super saiyan rage trunks

Lavender vs Basil not drugged

future Gohan vs Android saga Vegeta

Goku wins, because of him not being rusty at all and because Gohan was an SS ( yes I said it ) against Dabura when he was rusty and still managed to get good hits in

Rage trunks is a comic character In my book now, he can do whatever the hell he wants as long as some random kid is there to scream GANBARE and GANBATTE hard enough, he stomps SSG Vegeta without knowing it..

Lavenda is stronger than Basil, lavenda has posion, he basically murders Basil slowly

I would have to say vegeta, Gohan was having trouble with one Android ( let's go with manga here ) amd Vegeta was having trouble with one as well, but our version was stronger and Vegeta managed to survive somehow..
Even if that isn't considered, Vegeta is overall a better fighter than fgohan who had to train by himself

[nickzambuto]

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

The way I interpret things is that fusion has no concrete formula. It's all about the compatibility of the two fusees. Will they magnify each other's strengths and cover each other's flaws, like Goku and Vegeta, or will they actually turn out worse, like Goku and Mr. Satan's hypothetical fusion?

Raditz and Nappa have little to offer each other, but they're also similar enough that I don't think the fusion would be a hinderence. I'll just add their powers to keep things simple... the fact that their power levels are both subject to such massive debate means it won't be simple either way actually, but whatever.

1,500 + 4,000 = 5,500.

5,500 x 10 (Oozaru) = 55,000

55,000 x 50 (SSJ) = 2,750,000.

So even this incredible magical buff is still not enough for the saiyans to overcome Lord Freeza. Unless Raditz and Nappa are more compatible than I'm giving credit.

[Bullza]

Mecha Frieza vs Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.

Who wins?

Cell games Goku vs dabura

super saiyan God vegeta vs super saiyan rage trunks

Lavender vs Basil not drugged

future Gohan vs Android saga Vegeta

Dabura wins easily because he's at least as strong as Super Perfect Cell.

Super Saiyan Rage Trunks is vastly more powerful than Super Saiyan God Vegeta. Trunks is co parable to Super Saiyan Rose Black who was significantly stronger than Blue Vegeta never mind Red Vegeta.

Lavender I'd guess just because he came next, plus poison.

Vegeta definitely. He put up a decent fight against Android 18 and she was supposed to be a much stronger Android than the future counterpart.

[mcdjbeatz]

I don't think Piccolo was that much weaker then Dabura, if at all in the Buu saga
It's been stated Piccolo isn't​ the type to just run up to an opponent he can't beat (unless desperate), after watching Dabura show his strength, Piccolo still went up to him and attacked and I think said "you're mine". And Dabura didn't Beat Piccolo By Strength, He spat at him and turned him to stone, imo the fight was more "Hax" then a Battle of strength.

Imo piccolo could've maybe bested him, or at least for a fact there is no way he was weaker then the base saiyans in the Buu saga.

And I Think Goku said he stood no chance, Because How he beat Goku, well he knew something was Going on with Frost, he thought it was largely because of strength
I clearly interpreted it as that Goku thought Frost was stronger than he was.

Also in the manga, they were pretty on par if my memory serves correctly, If anything Piccolo was stronger.

In the manga Dabura surprised everyone on the cliff killing Kibito and spitting on Krillin and Piccolo before they could react, Babidi had instructed Dabura to “Get rid of the trash besides those 3 [Goku, Gohan, Vegeta], then return to the spaceship right away. That way, I think those 3 will fly into a rage and follow you inside for sure.” This could suggest that Base Saiyans>Piccolo but I don't believe it because I think Babidi only considers Piccolo trash due to not being able to grow stronger through transformations (super saiyan) which is backed up by Babidi's inability to sense ki having to use an energy meter to measure SSJ Goku's power when he was facing Yakon. Here are some numbers to convey my opinion on the power gap,
Piccolo: 20
Supreme Kai: 24
Dabura: 32

Piccolo when comparing Supreme Kai's power to his own stated that they were "dimensions apart" and there are a couple of quotes that indicate Dabura>Supreme Kai,
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P3.1
Dabra: “Even if Kaioshin comes, he can’t do anything as long as I’m here…”

Chapter: 460 (DBZ 266), P10.2-3
Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival
Kaioshin (to Gohan): “I’ll pin Babidi down. After that, if you can manage to defeat Dabra, then Babidi’s scheme will be completely wiped out!”

In the manga Piccolo was completely on the defensive and was doing very well but was burning through his stamina faster than Frost which indicates that he is around 2-3x weaker (lowball) or within 2x weaker as being 2x stronger is more than enough to dominate your opponent

Mecha Frieza vs Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.

Who wins?

Freeza: “We can definitely defeat him if we go at him together, Papa. And I’ve powered up too, so I think I can probably go alone.” Frieza was convinced that he could beat Goku by himself but I take this with a grain of salt due to Frieza not being to sense power levels unless he powered up significantly due to his parts which I don't think was the case. Due to Mecha Frieza's body I'm not sure that Frieza could access the power he possessed in his 100% form due to the power of that transformation seeming to come from his increase in muscle mass which doesn't seem possible with his body being mostly artificial. Even if he could if he could I don't think the parts enhanced Frieza to a point to where he would be stronger than Goku. The only way I see Mecha Frieza winning is by blowing up the planet which I don't think Goku would allow Frieza to try a second time. Super Saiyan Goku wins.

[ZombieVito]

Ginyu V Piccolo(Namek, pre fusion)

I have them almost even. Piccolo wins by a hair. Unless Ginyu pulls his special technique of course.

Gotenks ss1 vs majin Buu

piccolo vs dabura

Cabba base vs piccolo

Gotenks losses badly.
Current Super Piccolo should be able to do something to him if not beat him.
Piccolo one shots.

Cell games Goku vs dabura

super saiyan God vegeta vs super saiyan rage trunks

Lavender vs Basil not drugged

future Gohan vs Android saga Vegeta

Dabura finger flicks. He's SSJ2 tier.
Trunks wins this with ease. With that form he was stronger than Vegeta before entering the RoSaT.
Lavander should be stronger. That plus his poison gives him the victory.
Vegeta finger flicks poor Gohan.

Babidi's strength is never really quite fully known.

So lets have him run a namek Gauntlet, he's healed by buu after every round.

Babidi vs Cui
Babidi vs Zarbon
Babidi vs Vegeta (Post Zarbon Zenkai)
Babidi vs Gudo
Babidi vs Nail
Babidi vs Recoome
Babidi vs Burter
Babidi vs Jeice
Babidi vs Ginyu
Babidi vs Goku (Pre zenkai)

Babidi vs Frieza (1st form)
Babidi vs Piccolo (with Nail)
Babidi vs Frieza (2nd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (3rd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (final form)
Babidi vs Goku (Post zenkai)
Babidi vs SSJ Goku

Babidi is really weak. I give him a power level of 10 (And people tell me he's too high!). Having said that, if he's allowed to use his magic then he probably beats every single one of them.

Mecha Frieza vs Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.

Who wins?

It's a harder fight but Goku still wins. I don't have Mecha Freeza equal to him .

[DanielSSJ]

Babidi's strength is never really quite fully known.

So lets have him run a namek Gauntlet, he's healed by buu after every round.

Babidi vs Cui
Babidi vs Zarbon
Babidi vs Vegeta (Post Zarbon Zenkai)
Babidi vs Gudo
Babidi vs Nail
Babidi vs Recoome
Babidi vs Burter
Babidi vs Jeice
Babidi vs Ginyu
Babidi vs Goku (Pre zenkai)

Babidi vs Frieza (1st form)
Babidi vs Piccolo (with Nail)
Babidi vs Frieza (2nd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (3rd form)
Babidi vs Frieza (final form)
Babidi vs Goku (Post zenkai)
Babidi vs SSJ Goku

At most, the guy's got a battle power of a thousand or something, but I bet he's got a host of magical abilities to use. With that said, he easily makes it past everyone until he reaches Goku (vs Ginyu), who is the first one on the list who isn't evil and not super vulnerable to his mind control (Namek Vegeta probably doesn't yet have the strength of character to resist him).

He beats all of Freeza's forms the same way, but loses to Piccolo, who isn't evil enough for him to fully control, if Demon Prince Vegeta is any indicator, and Goku, for obvious reasons.

[Vegetes]

(technically not a direct, "who would win" match but

How much stronger do you place ssjg Goku to ssj3 Vegito.

[Lord Frieza]

Super's Current Goku and Vegeta (Fusion Allowed) vs A.M.A.Z.O (Copying Ability Turned Off i.e. He cannot copy Goku and Vegeta)

A.M.A.Z.O


An advanced android is capable of duplicating the powers of metahumans and the abilities of non-powered individuals, including members of the Justice League (such as the strength of Superman or the speed of the Flash). The androids apparently retain the abilities of the original Justice League of America (Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and the Martian Manhunter)

[dragon boss z]

But what I'm trying to say that Goku shouldn't have to go ssj to avoid a ring out... Goku's base is supposed to be above ssj3 now, and Krillin is still weaker than first form Frieza on namek, lol.

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

You're clearly trying to make sense of it because you are a fan of super. super clearly has bad power scaling and almost everyone admits it.

[Vegetes]

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

You're clearly trying to make sense of it because you are a fan of super. super clearly has bad power scaling and almost everyone admits it.

That idea has made perfect sense to me and even is implied in the case of ssjb( i think)

But yes Krillin can beat Cell, and without almost any doubt could beat Frieza.

And yes we admit super has weird power scaling, but that doesn't mean we're "super fan boys".

Also stop getting so triggered over a simple argument.

[Berserker1921]

That monster the Pride Troopers fought in the newest episode vs. Hirudegarn

We don't know how strong dyspo and the general are. Dyspo was going to get eaten by it. And it took minimal difficulty of trio to beat it. I suspect that the monster was hirudegarn level. However Hirudegarn is faster and can turn into intangible. So he wins.

[Berserker1921]

1. Pride Troopers (Toppo, Dyspo, and General) vs Black?

2. Toppo vs Golden Frieza (no stamina issues)?

3. Ssj Blue Vegito (No time Limit) vs Buu (golden Frieza, Black, Hit)?

4. Super perfect Cell and Darbura vs Basil and Lavander?

5. Bergamo vs Botomo? (Who absorbs more power?)

[Berserker1921]

Super's Current Goku and Vegeta (Fusion Allowed) vs A.M.A.Z.O (Copying Ability Turned Off i.e. He cannot copy Goku and Vegeta)

A.M.A.Z.O


An advanced android is capable of duplicating the powers of metahumans and the abilities of non-powered individuals, including members of the Justice League (such as the strength of Superman or the speed of the Flash). The androids apparently retain the abilities of the original Justice League of America (Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and the Martian Manhunter)

He wins unless goku and vegeta realize that he has no imagination. Amazon can be defeated by smart humans. Like batman. It can go either way. If this was amazo from the tv show. He beats goku and vegeta with ease. While comic version. If the duo are smart enough and work together. They can use a concentrated beam into his eyes. Destroy his brain. They win.

[Zamasu55]

1. Pride Troopers (Toppo, Dyspo, and General) vs Black?

2. Toppo vs Golden Frieza (no stamina issues)?

3. Ssj Blue Vegito (No time Limit) vs Buu (golden Frieza, Black, Hit)?

4. Super perfect Cell and Darbura vs Basil and Lavander?

5. Bergamo vs Botomo? (Who absorbs more power?)

- Dyspo and Kahseral looked weak to me, but it's too early to judge (even though they're 100% weaker than Toppo, since he's the leader). As for Toppo vs Black, I already gave my opinion: SsjR Black, the one with the schyte, wins easily.

- Toppo = SsjB Goku (current) <= SsjB Goku (Future Trunks saga) >>>>> SsjB Goku (Champa saga) > Golden Freeza.
It's not hard to tell, is it?

- Reeeeeally hard to tell. Pass.

- Very interesting fight. We know that Basil (drugged) is only a little bit weaker than Good Buu, who should still be above Dabura. I think it'd be an even fight, but Dabura's got the spit...

On the other hand, Lavenda was probably on the same tier as, Base Gohan who, as we know since the ROF saga, is above Piccolo. Anyway, Cell's a way better fighter than Lavenda, and I don't know if the U11 warrior's poison would work on him.

I give this fight to Cell and Dabura, personally.

- Botamo is a bit like Future Zamasu: He simply can't be beaten, there's no way you can hurt him. So, Bergamo can power up how much he wants, but Botamo wouldn't still get scratch.

[dragonball0900]

Future Gohan V Finial Form 100% Freeza (No stamina drain)

Gohan wins. Even though he is weaker than Future Trunks, he's not as weak as Frieza. I'd say he's between Namek Goku and Future Trunks.

Kid Chichi vs Bear thief.

Maybe Chi Chi, she showed some feats that put her above Bear thief.

Super Hirudegarn V Janemba.

Janemba, since it was stated that he was stronger.

Fights:

Pre 25th TB Videl vs BoDB Goku.
Bora vs 21st TB Goku.
Mutaito vs 22nd TB Goku.
Gryll vs 23rd TB Goku.
Guldo vs Post Kaio Goku. No Kaioken or paralysis.
Shin vs CG SSJ Goku. No paralysis.

- Goku wins easily. He has shown great feats that Videl wouldn't be able to do.

- Goku wins. Bora is probably around Nam and General Blue level. Above Krillin, but below Goku. He was able to fight the Red Ribbon soldiers.

- Mutaito beats this Goku since I think he was strong enough to defeat King Piccolo's minions (probably as strong as Drum), but not King Piccolo himself.

- Pass

- Guldo without his paralysis is still stronger than Goku (no Kaioken) in my opinion. But the difference is so small that Goku with his skill and intelligence can pull a win against Guldo.

- Goku wins. Shin is stronger than Piccolo, but is weaker than a SSJ Gohan who hasn't trained for 7 years.

Buuhan vs Janemba?

Buuhan wins in my opinion, since I have Janemba at Super Buu tier.

New match:

- Current Krillin vs. Base Vegeta (Android arc)

I still think Vegeta wins, since I think for now that Krillin surpassed Second Form Frieza, but not reached Final Form, much less Android arc Vegeta.

Ginyu V Piccolo(Namek, pre fusion)

I have the Captain winning. Even though Piccolo increased his power a lot, I don't think it was as much as Goku's intense training of 100x gravity. Piccolo's power should probably be at 50K-70K.

Gotenks ss1 vs majin Buu

piccolo vs dabura

Cabba base vs piccolo

- If it's after the ROSAT, I think Gotenks should be able to win since everyone were hoping for the fusion (no SSJ3) to be able to be strong enough to defeat at least that version of Majin Buu. Before the ROSAT, Majin Buu defeats Gotenks as easy as how Majin Vegeta was.

- If it's Buu arc Piccolo, Dabura kills him with one punch. If it's current Piccolo, then I have no problem if Piccolo is able to finally defeat Dabura.

- I'm not an expert in Super, but I think Piccolo takes it.

Ssj Great ape Nappitz(Nappa and Raditz Potara fused) with no time limit vs 100% Frieza.

Considering how weak Raditz was in comparison to Nappa, the fusion wouldn't be that effective. Going by my formulas the fusion and oozaru together can bring Nappitz stronger than Final Form Frieza but without the 25%-50%. Frieza goes 25%/50% and wins easily.

I don't think Piccolo was that much weaker then Dabura, if at all in the Buu saga
It's been stated Piccolo isn't​ the type to just run up to an opponent he can't beat (unless desperate), after watching Dabura show his strength, Piccolo still went up to him and attacked and I think said "you're mine". And Dabura didn't Beat Piccolo By Strength, He spat at him and turned him to stone, imo the fight was more "Hax" then a Battle of strength.

Imo piccolo could've maybe bested him, or at least for a fact there is no way he was weaker then the base saiyans in the Buu saga.

You are talking about the anime. In the manga, it was said that Piccolo was much weaker than Supreme Kai, and Supreme Kai was said to be weaker than Dabura. It's clear that Piccolo was much weaker than Dabura.

Cell games Goku vs dabura

super saiyan God vegeta vs super saiyan rage trunks

Lavender vs Basil not drugged

future Gohan vs Android saga Vegeta

- Dabura wins since he was said to be around Cell, I don't know which Cell, but in my opinion it's probably around the Cell that fought Goku, who was superior to Goku. So a fight between those two would be the same as the fight between Cell and Goku we saw in the manga/series.

- Pass

- I think Lavender wins. Not an expert on Super though.

- Android saga Vegeta takes it easily. It was said that Gohan was weaker than Yadrat Goku. And Yadrat Goku is obviously much weaker than Android Arc Vegeta.

Mecha Frieza vs Super Saiyan Goku on Namek.

Who wins?

Mecha Frieza was confident in defeating Goku, he did increase in strenght when he was Mecha. However, it doesn't mean he has to surpass Goku (and let's remembe that Frieza also brought his dad King Cold for help). I'd say he manages to be equal to Goku or at least a bit weaker or a bit stronger, depending on how you want. Goku being more skilled can give him the win though. But the fight would be quite long.

[pacz360]

Exactly. This. I am getting sick and tired of the "Goku was holding back" excuses. A holding back Goku should be able to beat Krillin with ease with just his base form. The fact that Krillin's punches were forcing Goku back doesn't make any sense considering that those very same punches couldn't make Perfect Cell so much as flinch.
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I could somewhat understand if he were facing Piccolo or Gohan and had to go SSJ but Krillin IS fodder. Goku shouldn't need to transform to test Krillin

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

You're clearly trying to make sense of it because you are a fan of super. super clearly has bad power scaling and almost everyone admits it.

Dude i already said its powerscaling was shit in my previous post get with it.

[DBZAOTA482]

Izuko Midoriya vs. Tenkaichi Budokai

21st Tenkaichi Budokai
Giran
Krillin
Nam
Goku
Jackie Chun

22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
King Chappa
Chiaotzu
Yamcha
Krillin
Jackie Chun
Tien
Goku

23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
Chiaotzu
Yajirobe
Chi-Chi
Cyborg Tao
Yamcha
Krillin
Tien
Shen (Kami)
Piccolo
Goku

[dragon boss z]

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

You're clearly trying to make sense of it because you are a fan of super. super clearly has bad power scaling and almost everyone admits it.

That idea has made perfect sense to me and even is implied in the case of ssjb( i think)

But yes Krillin can beat Cell, and without almost any doubt could beat Frieza.

And yes we admit super has weird power scaling, but that doesn't mean we're "super fan boys".

Also stop getting so triggered over a simple argument.

How am I triggered? I'm just stating facts, though I'm not surprised someone who think Krillin can beat Cell also think a lot of others things that aren't correct.

And I already said I knew Goku was holding back and went SSB to scare Krillin. That still doesn't explain why he went regular ssj to stop a ki blast

[dragon boss z]

Jesus Christ you guys still missing the point goku is testing his friend to see what can he do and what can he bring in the tournament. Goku transform to see what will krillin do to someone around his level cause let's be real there are going to be people around blue level so goku wants to see what krillin will do when he has to come across someone around that level.
Its been two weeks quit bitching about something that's been explained multiple times.

You're clearly trying to make sense of it because you are a fan of super. super clearly has bad power scaling and almost everyone admits it.

Dude i already said its powerscaling was shit in my previous post get with it.

Sorry I must of missed that. I know there are in universe explanations, but that means you do agree Goku going ssj against that ki blast didn't really make sense?

[Mattdos]

Buutenks vs. 1-10% power Beerus