Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Nah you fuckshit that's outdated too, I just checked and Super Exciting Otaku Guide 13: Turbo Edition, which just came out yesterday, said that Toriyama's friend's son's dog's aunt's cousin said that Toriyama wrote the Broly movie with the intent to make Broly maximum. It went on to say that Broly (maximum) > SS5 Gogetto, however he is still below SS3 Goku.

[Kamiccolo9]

You are both wrong, and using horribly outdated sources. The newest issue of Super Exciting Otaku Guide 12 has a forward written by a guy who talked to Toryama's first editor's wife a couple years ago, and she said that Piccolo was the strongest. This is canon fact, and cannot be debated.

This was debunked by a fellow internet nerd who proved the Super Exciting Otaku Guide doesn't exist and that it is a fan made interview like the one where Toriyama said the Z fighters were all much faster than light.

That's fine. The Kanzenshuu admins are hiding the real interview anyway, but I've seen it.

[dbzfan7]

You are both wrong, and using horribly outdated sources. The newest issue of Super Exciting Otaku Guide 12 has a forward written by a guy who talked to Toryama's first editor's wife a couple years ago, and she said that Piccolo was the strongest. This is canon fact, and cannot be debated.

This was debunked by a fellow internet nerd who proved the Super Exciting Otaku Guide doesn't exist and that it is a fan made interview like the one where Toriyama said the Z fighters were all much faster than light.

That's fine. The Kanzenshuu admins are hiding the real interview anyway, but I've seen it.

No the Kanzenshuu admins are busy destroying that fake interviewer and getting rid of the in-universe debaters. And those who discover they are secret age...I mean the best people in the world.

Besides He has Satan in his name for a reason. Because he is an all powerful martial artist that make people fear him as if he was a demon. Kid Boo was about to send that Genki-Dama back until he saw Mr. Satan stare at him. So he let himself die to not face Mr. Satan's wrath.

[RandomGuy96]

That's why I despise the Cell Games finale so much; giving Mr. Satan a stomach ache was a lazy plot device, exclusively put in to add tension to the Gohan vs Cell fight. It's even worse than when they left Gohan and Gotenks out of the Kid Buu battle. Pure PIS to give someone else time in the limelight.

[dbzfan7]

That's why I despise the Cell Games finale so much; giving Mr. Satan a stomach ache was a lazy plot device, exclusively put in to add tension to the Gohan vs Cell fight. It's even worse than when they left Gohan and Gotenks out of the Kid Buu battle. Pure PIS to give someone else time in the limelight.

I know right.

Oh and I also made Kid Boo stronger than Goku in my list. Kid Boo 43,000,000,000 to Goku's 40,000,000,000

[RandomGuy96]

What changed your mind?

[dbzfan7]

What changed your mind?

Goku says he and Vegeta can't deflect Kid Boo's attack. Goku has shown he can quickly transform into SSJ3 and Vegeta has shown he can quickly go SSJ2. Goku says the two can't manage anything. I'm pretty sure the quote means in general they can't do anything. Kid Boo seemed to have the edge in their fight for the most part too. It's also been shown you can push more power into an attack after it's been launched.

Also because a Goku fanboy made me reassess the fight.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't see how that scene makes much sense though, all it proves is Kid Buu's possibly amplified blast > Goku. But Kid Buu having the edge is something I've said a lot.

You should also probably buff Mr.Buu and South Kaioshin (assuming you're going by filler logic, cause I don't see where else that level could've come from, as you don't have a formula for how the Kaioshin effect Buu) accordingly.

I still think Super Buu and Gotenks should have a decent gap between them also- as you have it there's basically no difference, yet I heard you say in a recent thread that you thought Gotenks was notably stronger and an edge the whole time?

[Draken]

What the fuck is wrong with you twats? How have you forgotten the real hero in DBZ? While Satan and Piccolo are stealing the limelight in your highly uneducated visions, the true fighter of DBZ has been flipper-palming. Turtle.

[dbzfan7]

I don't see how that scene makes much sense though, all it proves is Kid Buu's possibly amplified blast > Goku. But Kid Buu having the edge is something I've said a lot.

You should also probably buff Mr.Buu and South Kaioshin (assuming you're going by filler logic, cause I don't see where else that level could've come from, as you don't have a formula for how the Kaioshin effect Buu) accordingly.

I still think Super Buu and Gotenks should have a decent gap between them also- as you have it there's basically no difference, yet I heard you say in a recent thread that you thought Gotenks was notably stronger and an edge the whole time?

Well the scene pretty much shows that Kid Boo can instantly do Goku what Goku was trying to do to him when charging for 1 minute. I may make the gap larger to 45,000,000,000

Yep I'm thinking of making the Gap wider which will effect pretty much everything else. I still think Super Boo could have put up a better fight if he was trying to kill Gotenks, but Gotenks seemed to surprise him at every turn.

[RandomGuy96]

Coincidentally, the same numbers I have 'em at. Though that's partly because I like numbers that end in fives or zeroes. They're nice and clean.

I know a lot of people don't follow this, but I think Super Buu vs Gotenks is a nearly identical gap to Mr. Buu vs Kid Buu. Both fights seemed extremely similar to me. Even if Super Buu wasn't trying to KILL Gotenks, he has no reason to let himself get beaten up and almost killed; I'd actually say that's probably the worst thing he could do to further his plan. He is also clearly enraged and surprised throughout most of the fight.

[dbzfan7]

Still debating on doing the movies,GT, or The End. So far the headache on balancing it all is too much. The End I may do as well as BOG. Gt and the other movies are pretty much out of the picture.

DBZFan7's Attempt at Power levels Oh My Gami Kai

In Progress. Fix them later

SSJ= 50x Base
Grade 2= 75X/1.5x Super Saiyan
Grade 3= 100x base/2x Super Saiyan
SSJ2= 100x base/2x Super Saiyan
SSJ3= 400x base/4x Super Saiyan 2/8x Super Saiyan
Fusion= (a+b)x6
Potara= (a+b)x400 If power levels aren't equal the multiplier changes to the percentage difference between the two power levels.

Journey To The West

Goku: 10
Oozaru: 100
Bulma: 4
Shuu: 5.8
Mai: 5.8
Pilaf: 3
Yamcha: 8
Oolong: 3
Puar: 2
Gyamao: 13
Muten Roshi: 40 (suppressed)

Training With Chores

Goku: 12
Krillin: 6.5
Muten Roshi: 80
Lunch: 4
SSJ Lunch: 7.3

Jackie Chan's Here To Kick Ass And Take Boobs

Goku: 82
Oozarau: 820
Krillin: 65
Yamcha: 60
Jackie Chan: 80
~Full power: 180
Nam: 70
Girin: 72
Bacterian: 12
Ran Fan: 6.3

Dr. Gero Wants A Word With Dr. Frappe

Goku: 90
Krillin: 75
Silver: 15
Major Metallitron: 83
Murasaki: 17
8: 110
Buyon: 85
White: 7
Blue: 88
Arale: Who knows except Toriyama saying she’d beat Piccolo Daimao era Goku

You Killed Upa’s Father, Prepare To Die

Goku: 92
Goku (post training): 140
Bora: 35
Karin: 190
Tao Pai Pai: 120

I Wanna Be a Big Boy

Goku: 140
Red: 3
Black: 18
Robot: 125

You Couldn't Just Predict Goku Winning?

Goku: 142
Muten Roshi: 80
Krillin: 85
Yamcha: 80
Fang: 78
Invisible Man: 20
Mummy Man: 100
Akuman: 110
Grampa Gohan: 142

To Kill Or Not To Kill

Goku: 180
Krillin: 130
Yamcha: 125
Jackie Chan: 139
Tsuru Sen'nin: 120
Chaozu: 115
Tenshinhan: 180
Panputto: 7
Chappa-O: 90

Krillin's First And Only Death.... Right?

Goku: 180
Goku (fatigued): 100
Krillin: 130
Yamcha: 125
Muten Roshi: 139
Chaozu: 122
Tenshinhan: 180
Yajirobe: 175
Tambourine: 170
Cymbal: 150
Piccolo Daimao (old): 210


Thank You Super Convenient Water

Goku (post water): 260
Tenshinhan: 185
Drum: 205
Piccolo Daimao: 260

Maybe I Should Have Done Something

Goku: 260
Mr. Popo: 300
God: 340
Piccolo (kid): 100

I Am The Best Around And Nothing's Ever Gonna Keep Me Down

Goku (weighted suppression): 280
Goku: (w/o weights suppressed): 300
Goku: 380
Krillin: 215
Tenshinhan: 280
Yamcha: 200
Chaozu: 180
Chi Chi: 130
God: 340
Cyborg Tao: 210
Piccolo: 370


Goku Had Sex...How?

Goku (weighted): 334
Goku: 416
Kamehameha: 924 (and rising)
Piccolo (weighted): 322
Piccolo: 408
Piccolo (weighted post): 329
~Makankosappo: 1,020-1,030
~Full Power Makankosappo: 1,330
Gohan: 710
Angry Gohan: 1,307
Gohan (post boost): 1
Raditz: 1,500
Muten Roshi: 139
Krillin: 206
Yamcha: 177
Tenshinhan: 250
Chaozu: 110
Farmer: 5

I Am The Saiyan Prince, That’s What I Am

Goku (suppressed): 5,000
Goku: 8,200
Kaioken: 16,400
Kaioken X3: 24,600
Kaioken X4: 32,800
Hypothetical X5: 41,000
Vegeta: 18,000
Vegeta (post fake moon): 10,000
Oozaru Vegeta: 100,000
Oozaru Vegeta Full power: 180,000
Vegeta (weakened): 4,500
Nappa: 4,000
Gohan (calm): 981
~Masenko: 2,800
Piccolo (suppressed): 1,220
Piccolo: 3,500
Krillin (suppressed): 1,083
Krillin: 1770
Yamcha: 1,480
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Chaozu: 610
Saibamen: 1,200
Kaio: 3,500
Yajirobe: 970

Z-Fighters In Spaaaaaace

Gohan (minor suppression): 1,500
Gohan: 2,200
Gohan (some potential) 14,000 (rising)
Krillin (minor suppression): 1,500
Krillin: 1,800
Krillin (potential): 13,000 (rising)
Vegeta: 24,000
Vegeta (zenkai): 30,000
Kui: 18,000
Dodoria: 22,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Zarbon (transformed) 30,000
Freeza: 530,000
W. Nameks (suppressed): 1,000
W. Nameks: 3,000
Freeza Soldiers: 1,500
Nail: 42,000

Go Go Ginyu Rangers

Goku: 90,000
Kaioken: 180,000
Kaioken X10: 900,000
Gohan: 14,000 (rising)
Krillin: 13,000 (rising)
Vegeta: 30,000
Guldo: 10,000
Reacoom: 40,000
Burter: 40,000
Jeice: 40,000
Ginyu: 120,000
Ginyu (Goku): 23,000
Freeza: 530,000
Nail: 42,000

The Guy Everyone Thought Was A Woman

Goku: 3,000,000
Kaioken X10: 30,000,000
Kaioken X20: 60,000,000
SSJ Goku: 150,000,000
Gohan: 200,000
Gohan angry: 900,000
Vegeta: 250,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) 2,400,000
Krillin: 75,000
Piccolo: 35,000
Piccolo (fusion weighted): 1,400,000
Piccolo (fusion): 1,600,000
Freeza: 530,000
Second Form: 1,000,000
Second Form (power increase) 1,300,000
~full power: 1,500,000
Third Form: 2,300,000
Final form (3%): 3,600,000
50%: 60,000,000
Full Power Freeza: 120,000,000


Wow Two Super Saiyans, No Way This Form Will Get Overused

Goku: 3,600,000
SSJ Goku: 180,000,000
Vegeta: 2,800,000
Piccolo: 2,600,000
Gohan: 300,000
Trunks: 3,300,000
SSJ Trunks: 165,000,000
Mecha Freeza: 140,000,000
King Cold: 100,000,000

Goku Gets Benched Again

Goku: 4,200,000
SSJ Goku: 210,000,000
SSJ Goku (sick): 170,000,000 (decreasing)
Vegeta: 4,600,000
SSJ Vegeta: 230,000,000
Piccolo: 175,000,000
Gohan: 3,000,000
Trunks: 3,900,000
SSJ Trunks: 195,000,000
19: 96,000,000
~Goku ki absorbed: 140,000,00
20: 110,000,000
~A little of Vegeta ki absorbed: 115,000,000
~Some of Piccolo's ki absorbed: 135,000,000
18: 300,000,000
17: 310,000,000
16: 520,000,000

Hentai To The Extreme

Vegeta: 4,600,000
SSJ Vegeta: 230,000,000
Gohan: 3,000,000
Trunks: 3,900,000
SSJ Trunks: 195,000,000
Piccolo (Super Namek): 315,000,000
18: 300,000,000
17: 310,000,000
16: 520,000,000
Initial Cell: 270,000,000
Cell: 520,000,000


And You Thought Cell Couldn't Be More Distrubing

Piccolo (Super Namek): 315,000,000
Vegeta: 13,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 650,000,000
Super Vegeta: 975,000,000
Trunks: 12,500,000
SSJ Trunks: 625,000,000
18: 300,000,000
16: 520,000,000
Semi Cell: 730,000,000

Behold the Perfect Body (You Wish You Could Touch It)

Vegeta: 13,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 650,000,000
Super Vegeta: 975,000,000
Trunks: 12,400,000
SSJ Trunks: 620,000,000
Super Trunks: 930,000,000
Grade 3 Trunks: 1,240,000,000
18: 300,000,000
16: 520,000,000
Semi Cell: 730,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (full power): 780,000,000
Perfect Cell initial: 900,000,000 (and rising)
Perfect Cell (vs Trunks): 1,200,000,000
Perfect Cell (Restrained Buffed) : 1,800,000,000

Cell games: Gohan's Wussy and Badass moment

Goku: 50,000,000
FPSSJ Goku: 2,500,000,000
Gohan: 60,000,000
FPSSJ Gohan: 3,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6,000,000,000
~Rage Boost: 7,500,000,000
Vegeta: 38,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 1,900,000,000
Trunks: 38,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 1,900,000,000
Piccolo: 1,200,000,000
Perfect Cell (vs Goku): 2,700,000,000
FP Perfect Cell: 4,500,000,000
Buff Perfect Cell: 5,200,000,000
SP Cell: 7,300,000,000
Cell Juniors: 2,200,000,000

Gohan The Power Ranger

Gohan/Green Ranger: 60,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 3,000,000,000
Goten: 48,000,000
SSJ Goten: 2,400,000,000
Trunks: 49,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 2,450,000,000

Everybody’s Kung Fu Fighting

Goku: 82,000,000
Vegeta: 70,000,000
Gohan: 62,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 3,100,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6,200,000,000
Goten: 50,000,000
SSJ Goten: 2,500,000,000
Trunks: 51,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 2,550,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
18: 300,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000

Bibidi Babidi Boo

Goku: 82,000,000
SSJ Goku: 4,100,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 8,200,000,000
Vegeta: 70,000,000
Gohan: 62,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 3,100,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6,200,000,000
Goten: 50,000,000
SSJ Goten: 2,500,000,000
Trunks: 51,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 2,550,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000
Pui Pui: 200,000
Yakon: 78,000,000
Dabra (if at SSJ level): 2,900,000,000
Dabra (if at SSJ2 level): 6,000,000,000

You Wouldn't Like Boo When He’s Angry

Goku: 82,000,000
SSJ Goku: 4,100,000,000
SSJ2 Goku: 8,200,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 32,800,000,000
Vegeta: 70,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 3,500,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 7,000,000,000
Majin Vegeta: 8,200,000,000
Gohan: 62,000,000
SSJ Gohan: 3,100,000,000
SSJ2 Gohan: 6,200,000,000
Goten: 50,000,000
SSJ Goten: 2,500,000,000
Trunks: 51,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 2,550,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000
Dabra (if at SSJ level): 2,900,000,000
Dabra (if at SSJ2 level): 6,000,000,000
Majin Boo initial: 2,600,000,000
Majin Boo initial (if SSJ2): 5,700,000,000
Majin Boo (1st Boost): 15,000,000,000
Majin Boo: 20,000,000,000

The Grim Reaper Of Annoying

Goku: 82,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
Gohan: 62,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000
Goten: 50,000,000
SSJ Goten: 2,500,000,000
Trunks: 51,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 2,550,000,000
Gotenks: 600,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 30,000,000,000
Majin Boo: 20,000,000,000

Boo Loses Weight?

Majin Boo: 20,000,000,000
Majin Boo Pissed: 50,000,000,000
Mr. Boo: 20,000,000,000
Evil Boo: 30,000,000,000
Super Boo: 250,000,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
Goten: 60,000,000
SSJ Goten: 3,000,000,000
Trunks: 60,000,000
SSJ Trunks: 3,000,000,000
Gotenks: 720,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 36,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 288,000,000,000
Gohan (post Z-sword): 90,000,000
Goku: 82,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000

The Ultimate Shafting

Super Boo: 250,000,000,000
Bootenks: 539,300,000,000
Gotenks: 720,000,000
SSJ Gotenks: 36,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 288,000,000,000
Gohan (post Z-sword): 90,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 400,000,000,000
Goku: 82,000,000
Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Kibito: 55,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000

The Magic Fashion Accessory

Ultimate Gohan: 400,000,000,000
Goku: 82,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 32,800,000,000
Vegeta: 82,000,000
Vegetto: 65,600,000,000
Super Vegetto: 3,280,000,000,000
Super Boo: 300,000,000,000
Bootenks: 539,300,000,000
Boocollo (Piccolo with boys): 251,420,000,000
Boohan: 651,420,000,000
Kibitoshin: 5,754,000,000

Mr. Satan Saves The Universe For Realsies

Goku: 82,000,000
SSJ Goku: 4,100,000,000
SSJ3 Goku: 32,800,000,000 (decreasing)
Vegeta: 82,000,000
SSJ Vegeta: 4,100,000,000
SSJ2 Vegeta: 8,200,000,000
Boocollo: 251,300,000,000
Super Boo: 250,000,000,000
South Boo: 265,000,000,000
Kid Boo: 36,000,000,000
Mr. Boo: 20,000,000,000
West Kaioshin: 3,000,000
North Kaioshin: 2,800,000
South Kaioshin: 20,000,000,000
East Kaioshin: 2,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin: 5,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 400,000,000,000
Goten: 60,000,000
Trunks: 60,000,000
Piccolo: 1,300,000,000
Kibitoshin: 5,754,000,000

[dbzfan7]

Coincidentally, the same numbers I have 'em at. Though that's partly because I like numbers that end in fives or zeroes. They're nice and clean.

I know a lot of people don't follow this, but I think Super Buu vs Gotenks is a nearly identical gap to Mr. Buu vs Kid Buu. Both fights seemed extremely similar to me. Even if Super Buu wasn't trying to KILL Gotenks, he has no reason to let himself get beaten up and almost killed; I'd actually say that's probably the worst thing he could do to further his plan. He is also clearly enraged and surprised throughout most of the fight.

Well all I see is Super Boo not trying to outright kill him. He could have probably candy beamed Gotenks and won. I think he was just frustrated that a kid is actually giving him so much trouble. It's embarrassing for a kid to beat you up. Gotenks was also lollygagging and not taking things seriously. He also needs the boys to fuse again so I think if he and Gotenks went full out serious Gotenks would come out on top (if he can manage to kill him in 5 minutes). But that's my view.

[RandomGuy96]

...so, you only changed one power level (Kid Buu's) on this list?

Anyway, same as what I said last time. Gotenks, Mr.Buu, and South Kaioshin (if going by the anime, which I... think is what you're doing) are IMO all too low, yadda yadda yadda.

[dbzfan7]

...so, you only changed one power level (Kid Buu's) on this list?

Anyway, same as what I said last time. Gotenks, Mr.Buu, and South Kaioshin (if going by the anime, which I... think is what you're doing) are IMO all too low, yadda yadda yadda.

I lowered Super Boo and changed the other forms accordingly and added the other Boocollo.

I'm happy with where Gotenks is as of now and I am keeping Mr Boo just around the 75% mark of Kid Boo. I can boost South Kaioshin but my preference as I have said before is a mixed bag and not just filler or the manga statement.

[RandomGuy96]

You seem to have inconsistently listed Super Buu as 309 billion instead of 320 billion in one place. Anyway I think the gap between him and Gotenks should be at least 10% for Gotenks to have any advantage at all, but that's just a matter of opinion.

What are the levels for the Kaioshin based off of?

[dbzfan7]

You seem to have inconsistently listed Super Buu as 309 billion instead of 320 billion in one place. Anyway I think the gap between him and Gotenks should be at least 10% for Gotenks to have any advantage at all, but that's just a matter of opinion.

What are the levels for the Kaioshin based off of?

I fixed that last 309. It's kinda late where I am so I must have skimmed it .

Also Gotenks is technically according to my list just over 9% stronger. So it's close enough to your 10% while satisfying my placement.

My Kaioshin levels are completely random. Just what ever I felt like. I thought they should all at least be above SSJ Gohan (and Early on Vegeta though) as before he got his power up he was the East Kaioshin of the Saiyans . Also Elder Kaioshin calls East Kaioshin weak while East Kaioshin (or Kibitoshin) says the others were stronger. I believe each Kaioshin had to be significant somehow and close to SSJ Goku sounds good.

[RandomGuy96]

I fixed that last 309. It's kinda late where I am so I must have skimmed it .

Also Gotenks is technically according to my list just over 9% stronger. So it's close enough to your 10% while satisfying my placement.

Huh? You have Super Buu at 300 and Gotenks at 320. Buu is at 94% of Gotenks, not <91%.

My Kaioshin levels are completely random. Just what ever I felt like. I thought they should all at least be above SSJ Gohan (and Early on Vegeta though) as before he got his power up he was the East Kaioshin of the Saiyans . Also Elder Kaioshin calls East Kaioshin weak while East Kaioshin (or Kibitoshin) says the others were stronger. I believe each Kaioshin had to be significant somehow and close to SSJ Goku sounds good.

I was mostly talking about South Kaioshin, as he's the only who's strength is even half-way relevant to the story. As for the other two I just like having them at nice even numbers and a billion apart from reach other, and all weaker than Dabura.

Grand Kaioshin- 3,000,000,000
North Kaioshin- 4,000,000,000
West Kaioshin- 5,000,000,000

[dbzfan7]

.Huh? You have Super Buu at 300 and Gotenks at 320. Buu is at 94% of Gotenks, not <91%.

Shut Up I'm sleepy and can't think strait. Alright I'll boost Gotenks higher you happy.

I was mostly talking about South Kaioshin, as he's the only who's strength is even half-way relevant to the story. As for the other two I just like having them at nice even numbers and a billion apart from reach other, and all weaker than Dabura.

Grand Kaioshin- 3,000,000,000
North Kaioshin- 4,000,000,000
West Kaioshin- 5,000,000,000

I like where they are and they are all weaker than SSJ2 tier Dabra.

[RandomGuy96]

I made a revision to my list on page 138; just a minor one, I buffed SS2 Vegeta to 10,500,000,000 from his previous 10,000,000,000. Mostly because I think SS2 Vegeta (hidden power) = SS2 Goku < Majin SS2 Vegeta (specifically said to be beyond the limits of his hidden power). This has resulted in Vegetto not being a nice, even 1 trillion anymore