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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:58 am

Chuquita wrote: EDIT: I think Herms just posted the names of Team Champa's fighters:

https://twitter.com/s_m_530/status/678072620177219584
ヒット
キャベ
フロスト
ボタン
マゲッター
EDIT: New Herms tweet says:
Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 9m9 minutes ago

LRT: might be a joke, but this guy says U6 lineup is:
Hit (purple guy)
Cabe (Saiyan?)
Frost (Freeza Clan)
Botamo (bear)
Magetta (robot)
Frost?! I said Froze from DB Heroes the first time I saw him. That was close.
I'm more interested to know if that Mini Gohan is a boy or girl.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Doctor. » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:00 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
Doctor. wrote:I hope the bot isn't evil and becomes a member of the Dragon Team later. Or, at the very least, that he doesn't job immediately to Goku/Vegeta/Monaca to show off their strength.
I kinda hope only one of them is Evil.
I hope so too, and if I had to guess, I'd say it's probably the bear.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:01 pm

raulvalente wrote:Are their names confirmed to be the ones retweeted by Mr. Herms?
No, they could be fake.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DI297 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:42 pm

sintzu wrote:Does anyone think they unlocked a new form during their training ? like a Blue Ssj3 ?
I hope so even thou they just got 2 new forms but ssj3 is the form I like the most and I hate how it got almost no screen time and vegeta just skipped it

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Sakura » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:01 pm

JulieYBM wrote: People who make works "for the children" are the most banal folks on the planet and their lifeless, personality-deprived work becomes nothing but an headache for artists who simply want to create for their own amusement.
Once again the point flies right over your ahead. To systematically oppose diversity, creativity, originality, and culturel mindfulness in the developments of female characters is questionable, and it remains questionable regardless of how many times you are going to attempt to steer the debate into this utterly petulant matter of first world artist problems.

I simply cannot say it clearer than that. You can, as much as you want, insist that artists are free to do whatever damn well they please, but once again, that's a trivial and empty statement. The point is that just as they are free to do whatever they want, I am indeed also free to criticize them for their work if I feel it deserves it. In this specific instance, when it comes to Dragon Ball and female characters, I believe it deserves it. Now, either you think they don't, or you think they do, but what makes absolutely no sense (you could call it nonsensical, even) is to try to somehow argue the case that artists can create bad art and nobody can say anything about it, because I say so .

But in the end, I guess it comes down to what you and I consider 'bad art' or 'work deserving of criticism'. I do think a systematic neglect and repressment of ones female characters is deserving of criticism, especially when your target audience is what it is. You are however perfectly fine with that. Okay then.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DI297 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:28 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:Nice Theory.

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It makes some sense but the purple guy should be piccolo and the bear asuming hes based on a gummy bear following the candy theme since buu looks like bubble gum if the theory is actually true I think he should be green or red cause instead of a gummy bear he looks like winnie the poo

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Can we have the U6 fighters be their own thing and not be alternate versions of other characters please? I really want the U6 fighters have nothing in common with characters from U7. Besides the purple guy looks nothing like Cell expect for having a similar looking face. His design is totally original looking.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by batistabus » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:37 pm

Chuquita wrote:my interest in mystery saiyan depends entirely on if he's Uni 6 Gokû and Vegeta's son or not because his design doesn't do much for me outside of that. I would've liked a taller guy, but if he's short because he's Vegeta's kid I can accept that.

If he's just some random strong saiyan though, I don't care about him.
Why would you expect this to be the case? How can you just look at a character design with no other information, and say that you don't care about them unless they meet such a random expectation? While there may be a royal Saiyan in Universe 6, it's doubtful that there would be a counterpart to Goku and Vegeta as individuals. This guy could end up being awesome.

If you want to do well through Super, it might be best to leave your expectations at the door.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:38 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:Nice Theory.
The only ones that are intentional to U7 races are Mini Gohan and Freeza guy.

Purple Guy full body doesn't look like Cell at all. Their face looking alike its just Toriyama's artstyle. By the way Cell is an android too...
Pooh looks like Pooh. Not Buu. Is Fat Janemba and Buyon alternate versions of Majin Buu?!
Robot looks like Robo from Chrono Trigger. Toriyama loves drawing these things. Arale says hello.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:43 pm

I don't think there's any real reason to think any of them are supposed to be alternate versions of existing characters.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Retan » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:43 pm

So I'm guessing Cabe is based off Cabbage? I also hope their there own thing. Also... GO HIT!!

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:46 pm

Noah wrote:
I prefer the Saiyan Kid to have some unique SSJ transformation
Why do you think that he is a kid? He could be a adult for all we know. Table is an adult and is short.
ArchedThunder wrote:
Doctor. wrote:I hope the bot isn't evil and becomes a member of the Dragon Team later. Or, at the very least, that he doesn't job immediately to Goku/Vegeta/Monaca to show off their strength.
I kinda hope only one of them is Evil.
I think the purple guy may be a bad guy. His design feels like a villain design to me.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:52 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: I think the purple guy may be a bad guy. His design feels like a villain design to me.
I wouldn't go by that logic. Fat Buu definitely didn't look like a villain.
Also, it would be cool to have a major villain not purple in Super. :P
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:54 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: I kinda hope only one of them is Evil.
I think the purple guy may be a bad guy. His design feels like a villain design to me.
He's the one I hope is a villain, like he isn't presented as one outright but ends up being the big bad of the arc. He looks like he could be a cool villain.
I really want the Freeza Clansman to be good and join the gang, that'd be really cool.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:59 pm

Sakura wrote:
JulieYBM wrote: People who make works "for the children" are the most banal folks on the planet and their lifeless, personality-deprived work becomes nothing but an headache for artists who simply want to create for their own amusement.
Once again the point flies right over your ahead. To systematically oppose diversity, creativity, originality, and culturel mindfulness in the developments of female characters is questionable, and it remains questionable regardless of how many times you are going to attempt to steer the debate into this utterly petulant matter of first world artist problems.

I simply cannot say it clearer than that. You can, as much as you want, insist that artists are free to do whatever damn well they please, but once again, that's a trivial and empty statement. The point is that just as they are free to do whatever they want, I am indeed also free to criticize them for their work if I feel it deserves it. In this specific instance, when it comes to Dragon Ball and female characters, I believe it deserves it. Now, either you think they don't, or you think they do, but what makes absolutely no sense (you could call it nonsensical, even) is to try to somehow argue the case that artists can create bad art and nobody can say anything about it, because I say so .

But in the end, I guess it comes down to what you and I consider 'bad art' or 'work deserving of criticism'. I do think a systematic neglect and repressment of ones female characters is deserving of criticism, especially when your target audience is what it is. You are however perfectly fine with that. Okay then.
It's funny you feel the need to say you have the right to criticise Toriyama when no one said you didn't but, at the same time, you fail to respect his right to use his female characters however he wants. Not just that, but you seem to think that he should get his act together because of "kids" when having Videl put on an apron and cook dinner has no relevance in their lives. Heck, Goku is THE "bad role model", and one those kids can actually relate to, being male and all, and you didn't even talk about him.

It figures that all these fancy words thrown around just boils down to bias, like it always seems to do.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:01 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:Nice Theory.
The only ones that are intentional to U7 races are Mini Gohan and Freeza guy.

Purple Guy full body doesn't look like Cell at all. Their face looking alike its just Toriyama's artstyle. By the way Cell is an android too...
Pooh looks like Pooh. Not Buu. Is Fat Janemba and Buyon alternate versions of Majin Buu?!
Robot looks like Robo from Chrono Trigger. Toriyama loves drawing these things. Arale says hello.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Can we have the U6 fighters be their own thing and not be alternate versions of other characters please? I really want the U6 fighters have nothing in common with characters from U7. Besides the purple guy looks nothing like Cell expect for having a similar looking face. His design is totally original looking.
ArchedThunder wrote:I don't think there's any real reason to think any of them are supposed to be alternate versions of existing characters.
I don't think the theory is meant to mean they're LITERAL alternative versions of those characters. Maybe it is, but the way I see it, they seem to parallel previous villains, which actually pretty awesome--a word I never expect to use when describing Super. I expected the team to include two female saiyans (*yawn) and three quirky creatures akin to the Winnie the Pooh guy.

I was right on the dot with universe 7's 5th member though: a small, unassuming alien. Super is bad enough to have that happen, and it did, so I'm not surprised. I'm pleasantly surprised with the Uni 6 roster though. I hope the personalities don't disappoint.
Why do you think that he is a kid? He could be a adult for all we know. Table is an adult and is short.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:10 pm

At least they didn't Tarble into a repeat of Radditz. So I give them credit for that.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:12 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote: I think the purple guy may be a bad guy. His design feels like a villain design to me.
I wouldn't go by that logic. Fat Buu definitely didn't look like a villain.
Also, it would be cool to have a major villain not purple in Super. :P
To be fair, Boo kinda wasn't a villain. The fat one, at least...

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:17 pm

alakazam^ wrote: To be fair, Boo kinda wasn't a villain. The fat one, at least...
Almost killed Gohan and Kaioshin. Vegeta died. Killed a lot of earthlings.
He's not a saint.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:32 pm

No, just a child with great power.

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