"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Gohan only wins when he's overwhelmingly more power than his opponents.

Where do you think their power comes from? Ki, spiritual prowess, which in Dragon Ball, always implicates fighting prowess.

Gohan isn't a good fighter overall. He's like Freeza, a lot a raw power, but very little battle sense. There isn't one battle Gohan has won by outsmarting or out maneuvering his opponent. He wins purely on overwhelming his opponent with raw power. The one time he fought someone even to him was Dabura and he ran circles around Gohan. The human characters have shown far superior battle skills. They just like the raw power.

[namekiansaiyan]

I like Magetta. He was cute, but he was far from a good character. Granted, he wasn't a bad character per say, there's just not much there.

I would not be surprised if he can fly the next time we see him fight and maybe even Roshi somehow learns to fly.

Gohan was never a fighting prodigy. He's actually a terrible fighter...

That's just not the case. In both Saiyan and Freeza Arcs he's show to have great promise. He hurts Freeza when no one else could, twice. He injured Raditz, an enemy that Piccolo and Goku could barely touch, in a fit of rage. Granted he was never vastly superior outside of those + Cell Games, but he was consistently greater than Kuririn in the Freeza Arc, even said to have raw power rivaling Vegeta. He achieves Super Saiyan relatively easily, and masters it too. Gohan, whether you like it or not, whether it suits his current lifestyle or not, was, is, and always will be a fighting prodigy.

He might be a fighting prodigy in the power department, but he does not deserve that power. He definitely is the least skillful fighter.

[omaro34]

Gohan was never a fighting prodigy. He's actually a terrible fighter, who sat on his ass to receive the mother of all power ups. Him becoming SSJ2 was the real culmination of that build up. Then the mystic state just dragged it out. Goten and trunks should logically have more potential than gohan but "dah most potential" is the only thing Gohan has going for him in terms of fighting

Gohan never a fighting prodigy? Did you even watch the series? How can a 5 year old knock out a full grown Saiyan adult in Raditz if he wasn't a fighting prodigy? How was he able to create a large boulder when Piccolo threw him towards a mountain? Nobody taught him these things, it was just instinct. I can give you so many other examples but then I would be writing an essay.

Gohan only wins when he's overwhelmingly more power than his opponents. It has nothing to do with fighting prowess or technique. His hidden potential was a plot device. Now a tired plot device.

With all due respect, I can't take you seriously when you say blasphemous illogical statements like this. You're saying Gohan "only wins when he's overwhelmingly more powerful than his opponents"? Since when was Gohan overwhelmingly more powerful than Raditz when 5 year old Gohan headbutted him, the best shot anyone gave him all day? He wasn't stronger than Raditz in anyway shape or form, he just had a rage boost, and these fits of rage is something that's built beneath him and wasn't taught, hence why he's considered a fighting prodigy.

When he knocked the breath out of Freeza, he wasn't stronger than Freeza at all. Please clarify what you're saying otherwise I'm not going to take you seriously with anything you have to say.

[incarnati0n]

Gohan never a fighting prodigy? Did you even watch the series? How can a 5 year old knock out a full grown Saiyan adult in Raditz if he wasn't a fighting prodigy? How was he able to create a large boulder when Piccolo threw him towards a mountain? Nobody taught him these things, it was just instinct. I can give you so many other examples but then I would be writing an essay.

Gohan only wins when he's overwhelmingly more power than his opponents. It has nothing to do with fighting prowess or technique. His hidden potential was a plot device. Now a tired plot device.

With all due respect, I can't take you seriously when you say blasphemous illogical statements like this. You're saying Gohan "only wins when he's overwhelmingly more powerful than his opponents"? Since when was Gohan overwhelmingly more powerful than Raditz when 5 year old Gohan headbutted him, the best shot anyone gave him all day? He wasn't stronger than Raditz in anyway shape or form, he just had a rage boost, and these fits of rage is something that's built beneath him and wasn't taught, hence why he's considered a fighting prodigy.

When he knocked the breath out of Freeza, he wasn't stronger than Freeza at all. Please clarify what you're saying otherwise I'm not going to take you seriously with anything you have to say.

No reason to waste your time arguing with them. These same people saying Gohan ain't a prodigy are the same people who are capable of saying that Vegeta is one, when everytime he has been weaker than his opponent he entered into a desperate state and got his ass handed to him. This ain't the original DB anymore, you either know the spirit Bomb or you need to be stronger than who you are fighting against. The only exception is in U6 where piccolo used strategy against Frost and was unlucky that Frost was actually cheating. Other than that skill = power.

[dbs fanboy]

Lol, every saiyan is a prodigy.
Goku was the first super saiyan, Vegeta unlocked the same form by heavy training and even before that, he was pretty strong as well.
All the hybrids unlocked the super saiyan form while being kids and Goten and Trunks did it easily. Goku and Vegeta learned to use god ki, Gohan has his mystic/ultimate (whatever) form and recently Future Trunks unlocked his asspu-, i mean rage super saiyan mode.

[Abra kadabra]

Gohan never a fighting prodigy? Did you even watch the series? How can a 5 year old knock out a full grown Saiyan adult in Raditz if he wasn't a fighting prodigy? How was he able to create a large boulder when Piccolo threw him towards a mountain? Nobody taught him these things, it was just instinct. I can give you so many other examples but then I would be writing an essay.

Gohan only wins when he's overwhelmingly more power than his opponents. It has nothing to do with fighting prowess or technique. His hidden potential was a plot device. Now a tired plot device.

With all due respect, I can't take you seriously when you say blasphemous illogical statements like this. You're saying Gohan "only wins when he's overwhelmingly more powerful than his opponents"? Since when was Gohan overwhelmingly more powerful than Raditz when 5 year old Gohan headbutted him, the best shot anyone gave him all day? He wasn't stronger than Raditz in anyway shape or form, he just had a rage boost, and these fits of rage is something that's built beneath him and wasn't taught, hence why he's considered a fighting prodigy.

When he knocked the breath out of Freeza, he wasn't stronger than Freeza at all. Please clarify what you're saying otherwise I'm not going to take you seriously with anything you have to say.

You can't prove he wasn't stronger at the time after his rage boosts. Gohan has always been synonymous with rage boost and potential unlocked. Are you saying Gohan used skill to headbutt Raditz? Because that certainly ain't the case. On namek he was eating Zenkai's like candy and even had his potential unlocked (ikr).
You don't have to take me seriously. That's your prerogative but you know it's true. Gohan is plot hax abuser and his hidden potential is a plot device. And Mystic Gohan was an asspull that honestly makes no sense and is only answered with "hidden potential"

I like Gohan though especially saiyaman. He should do more of that

[HeroR]

No reason to waste your time arguing with them. These same people saying Gohan ain't a prodigy are the same people who are capable of saying that Vegeta is one, when everytime he has been weaker than his opponent he entered into a desperate state and got his ass handed to him. This ain't the original DB anymore, you either know the spirit Bomb or you need to be stronger than who you are fighting against. The only exception is in U6 where piccolo used strategy against Frost and was unlucky that Frost was actually cheating. Other than that skill = power.

Vegeta has shown several times outsmarting his opponent like throwing sand in Zarbon's eyes before putting a hole through him. It was also his plan that killed Kid Buu.

Gohan has no such moments of intelligence in or out of battle. He's a subpar fighter with a lot of power. Basically, unskilled but strong.

[kinisking]

Gohan only wins when he's overwhelmingly more power than his opponents.

Where do you think their power comes from? Ki, spiritual prowess, which in Dragon Ball, always implicates fighting prowess.

Gohan isn't a good fighter overall. He's like Freeza, a lot a raw power, but very little battle sense. There isn't one battle Gohan has won by outsmarting or out maneuvering his opponent. He wins purely on overwhelming his opponent with raw power. The one time he fought someone even to him was Dabura and he ran circles around Gohan. The human characters have shown far superior battle skills. They just like the raw power.

Dabura was stronger than Gohan.

[Abra kadabra]

Where do you think their power comes from? Ki, spiritual prowess, which in Dragon Ball, always implicates fighting prowess.

Gohan isn't a good fighter overall. He's like Freeza, a lot a raw power, but very little battle sense. There isn't one battle Gohan has won by outsmarting or out maneuvering his opponent. He wins purely on overwhelming his opponent with raw power. The one time he fought someone even to him was Dabura and he ran circles around Gohan. The human characters have shown far superior battle skills. They just like the raw power.

Dabura was stronger than Gohan.

Are you sure? because SSJ2 F trunks beat the breaks off dabura. How weak was Gohan compared to dabura?

[HeroR]

Dabura was stronger than Gohan.

Nope. Dabura was an even match for a rusty Gohan and Goku was certain Gohan could win. Nothing was ever said that Dabura was physically stronger. Gohan was rusty and Dabura was highly skilled, and Goku still gave the advantage to Gohan.

[kinisking]

No, it's not "Toei". Every promotional material for the U6 arc made it seem like Buu would have a role, anime or manga.

But the manga has next to no promotion. The promotional material was almost exclusively for the anime, so yeah, it probably was Toei.

The manga is a promotion.

Are you sure? because SSJ2 F trunks beat the breaks off dabura. How weak was Gohan compared to dabura?

SSJ2 F Trunks did not beat the breaks off of Dabura. In the anime he said it was a hard fight, the flash back was just shortened. The manga further proves that it was a hard battle because FTrunks needed help to beat him. Even with that, ssj2 F Trunks could have been way stronger than ssj2 Gohan. SSj2 is just a multiplier of base after all.

Nope. Dabura was an even match for a rusty Gohan and Goku was certain Gohan could win. Nothing was ever said that Dabura was physically stronger. Gohan was rusty and Dabura was highly skilled, and Goku still gave the advantage to Gohan.

Okay, I went back and read it. Dabura did NOT run circles around Gohan at all. Gohan sent him flying, then Dabura sent Gohan flying, then Gohan broke his sword. That's all. Goku also was not certain about Gohan winning. All he said about Dabura was that he was tougher than he thought but said Gohan has a chance. Nothing was ever said about Dabura being physically stronger though. No one said Gohan's skill was rusty either. It's hard to tell exactly who would have won the battle.

[HeroR]

No, it's not "Toei". Every promotional material for the U6 arc made it seem like Buu would have a role, anime or manga.

But the manga has next to no promotion. The promotional material was almost exclusively for the anime, so yeah, it probably was Toei.

The manga is a promotion.

Are you sure? because SSJ2 F trunks beat the breaks off dabura. How weak was Gohan compared to dabura?

SSJ2 F Trunks did not beat the breaks off of Dabura. In the anime he said it was a hard fight, the flash back was just shortened. The manga further proves that it was a hard battle because FTrunks needed help to beat him. Even with that, ssj2 F Trunks could have been way stronger than ssj2 Gohan. SSj2 is just a multiplier of base after all.

Nope. Dabura was an even match for a rusty Gohan and Goku was certain Gohan could win. Nothing was ever said that Dabura was physically stronger. Gohan was rusty and Dabura was highly skilled, and Goku still gave the advantage to Gohan.

Okay, I went back and read it. Dabura did NOT run circles around Gohan at all. Gohan sent him flying, then Dabura sent Gohan flying, then Gohan broke his sword. That's all. Goku also was not certain about Gohan winning. All he said about Dabura was that he was tougher than he thought but said Gohan has a chance. Nothing was ever said about Dabura being physically stronger though. No one said Gohan's skill was rusty either. It's hard to tell exactly who would have won the battle.

That only proves my point further using the manga. Dabura was an even match for Gohan, and Gohan didn't perform well. And, like I said, Gohan still had the advantage strength-wise since Goku still believed Gohan could win.

Gohan has a lot of power, but little battle skills or smarts to back it.

[Beyond]

Gohan is a skilled fighter. While I don't believe he could beat Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, TIen, or prime Krillin in terms of skill. I do believe ultimate Gohan comes close, especially in the anime

[kinisking]

That only proves my point further using the manga. Dabura was an even match for Gohan, and Gohan didn't perform well. And, like I said, Gohan still had the advantage strength-wise since Goku still believed Gohan could win.

Gohan has a lot of power, but little battle skills or smarts to back it.

No, this does not prove your point at all. Firstly, nowhere was it said that Dabura was an even match for Gohan. The only comments about Dabura's strength was Goku said he was strong as perfect cell, then later said he was tougher than he thought. This implies Dabura was stronger than Perfect Cell. And since Gohan was weaker than ever, I wouldn't be surprised if Dabura was stronger.

But let's go under the hypothetical that Dabura was as strong as Gohan. The battle shows them fighting pretty evenly. Gohan sends him flying, then Dabura does the same. If they're equal in strength, of course Gohan wouldn't be shit stomping him. Goku believing Gohan could win doesn't mean he had the advantage strength wise. It just means that Dabura wasn't running circles around Gohan like you said and they were fighting pretty evenly.

Gohan is a skilled fighter. While I don't believe he could beat Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, TIen, or prime Krillin in terms of skill. I do believe ultimate Gohan comes close, especially in the anime

I can totally believe this. Gohan isn't ever treated as a bad fighter at all. The only people who do are fans jumping to conclusions.

[Sandubadear]

Maybe with #17 appearing in Super, we'll finally hear someone say "Lapis/Lazuli". Weird that no-one mentioned that yet.

[ArchedThunder]

Maybe with #17 appearing in Super, we'll finally hear someone say "Lapis/Lazuli". Weird that no-one mentioned that yet.

Totally possible since they are keeping 17 being a park ranger. It'd take some getting used to if they decided to swap to using those names, but it would make more sense than continuing to call them numbers.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

But the manga has next to no promotion. The promotional material was almost exclusively for the anime, so yeah, it probably was Toei.

The manga is a promotion.

Yeah... and? I don't see a contradiction

[kinisking]

But the manga has next to no promotion. The promotional material was almost exclusively for the anime, so yeah, it probably was Toei.

The manga is a promotion.

Yeah... and? I don't see a contradiction

I'm not contradicting you, I'm just explaining why it has no promotion and using promotion as evidence for it being Toei doesn't make sense.

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan is a skilled fighter. While I don't believe he could beat Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, TIen, or prime Krillin in terms of skill. I do believe ultimate Gohan comes close, especially in the anime

I can totally believe this. Gohan isn't ever treated as a bad fighter at all. The only people who do are fans jumping to conclusions.

He has never shown he is a good fighter that is why.

Maybe with #17 appearing in Super, we'll finally hear someone say "Lapis/Lazuli". Weird that no-one mentioned that yet.

It will always be 17 and 18.

[Anime Kitten]

It will always be 17 and 18.

... Do we know this?