Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

I have Kaioshin above Cell Games SSJ Goku anyway, so having Piccolo between Cell Games Goku and Vegeta by the Buu Arc works for me.

[RandomGuy96]

Then why is he so low at the Cell Games?

[Kamiccolo9]

Then why is he so low at the Cell Games?

I don't have him that low at the Cell Games. I think he's roughly 70% of Trunks, and there's not that much difference between Trunks and Vegeta. 7 years of training is easily enough time for him to surpass Vegeta somewhat.

[RandomGuy96]

You think 50% Cell Games Goku could godstomp Cell Games Vegeta?

[Saiga]

Didn't you say earlier that you thought Buu Saga Piccolo was above a Cell Junior, because he didn't look that much weaker than them 7 years ago?

4 times weaker? Damn that's low! I think even Semi-Perfect Cell is decently above that.

I don't think I've ever believed that, but it's hard to remember when my list has been through so many revisions.

Also, I made a mistake. Not 25% of Cell Games Goku but Boo arc Goku. I think Goku got exactly twice as strong between CG and Boo, after all.

[Kamiccolo9]

You think 50% Cell Games Goku could godstomp Cell Games Vegeta?

No, I think that Vegeta, and Trunks, are something like 20 and 15%, respecively, stronger than 50% Goku, with Piccolo slightly weaker than 50% Goku. Th'e Cell Jr.s would be roughly equal to, or slightly weaker than Vegeta. Enough to fight roughly even with Vegeta and Trunks, and strong enough to beat Piccolo without too much effort, but Piccolo can still put up a fight when the Cell Jr. isn't serious.

[RandomGuy96]

Didn't you say earlier that you thought Buu Saga Piccolo was above a Cell Junior, because he didn't look that much weaker than them 7 years ago?

4 times weaker? Damn that's low! I think even Semi-Perfect Cell is decently above that.

I don't think I've ever believed that, but it's hard to remember when my list has been through so many revisions.

Also, I made a mistake. Not 25% of Cell Games Goku but Boo arc Goku. I think Goku got exactly twice as strong between CG and Boo, after all.

Confused yours and Kamiccolo's posts for a minute there. Its the Piccolo avatars...

Yeah I think 50% CG Goku is a good place to put him. I'm just wondering what others think of the implications of Trunks' surprise and the Cell Jr fight.

Are you revising your list/working on a new one, by the way?

[Saiga]

Nah, I've been doing minor tweaks but nothing major. I probably won't re-upload unless I make something significantly different.

Oh, and for Trunks' surprise, I always thought that was Goku's frankness that surprised him. He doesn't know Goku, and the guy is practically a legend to him, so it's not the sort of thing he'd expect him to say.

[RandomGuy96]

Hmmm. What page is it on? Are you still taking feedback?

[Saiga]

It's on page 79, which is a lot further back than I thought. I've also noticed a few problems I never really addressed, so maybe I should get around to update it.

I did do a quick update, but only based on my own excel file, which is itself not as up-to-date as it could be (it does have the new figures for Grey and Mr Boo, though). Feedback is welcomed.

Also, something about your own list confused me. You seem to have the Super Kamehameha as 2.22x amplification, yet Goku in the Saiyan arc isn't amplifying his power, you've given his Kamehameha battle power as his full power. Or is the Super Kamehameha being at 2.22x not meant to be based on this scene? If so, it seems oddly specific and strange that it matches up. Also, I don't think Nappa should be able to amplify his battle power, maybe not Vegeta either.

But then again, I don't deal in ki attack figures at all. Can't ever seem to settle on a decent explanation for me.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, originally I had it as x2.22 to match up with the Raditz Kamehameha. After I became aware of that V-Jump issue that listed 23rs Budokai Goku at 910 and changed things around a bit, I sort of just forgot to change the Super Kamehameha multiplier. I don't think I'm going to though, since it matches anyway, and I only use it for the three big Kamehamehas at the Cell Games.

Nappa was implied to be able to amplify his ki when Goku said that his mouth blast would have done some damage if it connected. He definitely wouldn't have said that about a 4,000 blast. He'd tank it while laughing. Vegeta could overpower kaio-ken x3 Goku's Kamehameha with his Galick Gun, so he definitely could amplify his ki. And before anyone brings up the "Goku wasn't at full power" excuse, the Daizenshuu lists his kaio-ken x3 Kamehameha at 24,000.

Reading your list. I'll have some feedback in a minute.

[RandomGuy96]

Okay, I read your list. The main issue I saw is your spacing from the androids arc to the Cell Games. It seems rather weird in places. For example:

You have Android 20 (post energy) at 146,000,000 and Piccolo at 160,000,000. Similarly, you have sick Goku at 120,000,000 and Android 20 (pre energy) at 110,000,000. In each of these cases, the weaker fighter is over 90% of his opponent, but the stronger fighter bashes him around with complete ease. I think that these gaps are unnecessarily small. I know not all people are fans of having consistent power gaps, but this still seems very weird, since neither of these fighters did anything to prove that they were that high. I'd reccomend making 125,000,000, the level you have 20 starting at, the level he's at when Piccolo pwns him, after the energy, and having 19 just way weaker than sick Goku. That seems to fit better IMO.

You have Vegeta also over 90% of Android 18, yet he got annihilated. At one point 18 just tanked his punch. I don't think Vegeta should be any higher than 85% of 18, even with the stamina disadvantage taken into account. I think that the gaps between Goku/Vegeta and 18/17 are a little too large, resulting in Vegeta being too close to 18. Initial Imperfect Cell is also suppose to be noticeably stronger than Vegeta, and yet was said to not rival the androids, which to me indicates he should be less than 90% of 18 as well.

Here's where I really disagree: having Piccolo and 17 80% of Imperfect Cell. That just seems to contradict a lot of other fights, like Goku vs Freeza and Vegeta vs Recoome. Imperfect Cell walks right through Piccolo's most powerful attack, which was supposed to be enough to completely kill 17, like air, then defeats him in ONE punch, breaking is neck. I think that Imperfect Cell should be at least 450 to Piccolo's 320, and even that seems a bit low.

I think that you should widen the gap between 17 and Imperfect Cell and lower the one between Vegeta and Semi-Cell; make it like 650 vs 830 while having Initial Perfect Cell at 1125 for example. I think that rating Grade II Vegeta too high (or, more precisely, the gap between him and Semi-Cell) is what's making most of your other levels too squished. And it seems to contradict power feats; for example, 16 is 72% of Semi-Cell. He punches him right in the face and Cell doesn't even budge; it's like punching a brick wall. Semi Cell is apparently 62% of Grade II Vegeta. He punches Vegeta in the face and Vegeta stumbles back, gets the standard "ow" reaction shot, and has a busted lip.

Lastly is the spacing between Initial Perfect Cell and Vegeta. Again, this seems to contradict other feats in the series. Freeza was able to put up a decent fight against Goku (the Daizenshuu even says so) with a much larger gap than there is here. At the very least, Goku couldn't tank his hits; when a wounded Freeza threw an elbow, Goku again got the standard "ow" reaction shot, a bruise on his face, and blood flew out of his mouth. Grade II Vegeta kicked Perfect Cell full force in a vital area; Cell barley noticed and proceeded to kick Vegeta's ass. I think Perfect Cell should be stronger here (at least half of what he was against Goku at the Cell Games) and Vegeta should be lower. You can say that Grade II drained his power from overuse, so he wasn't at full strength when he kicked Cell, but I don't think it should be a lot at all. As an example: Initial Cell could be 1125, Grade II Vegeta could be 830, and Grade II Vegeta after beating up Semi Cell could be slightly weaker at 750, resulting in the tank.

But yeah, I think just nerfing Grade II Vegeta to 800-830 as opposed to 880 (I also think that makes him too much stronger than Trunks) would help solve a lot of the weird spacing. The Cell Saga has a lot of tanking feats that require at least somewhat consistent spacing. While the results of the fight aren't always determined by exact power gaps, tanking should logically. I just go with a x1.5 gap generally being required to tank a punch or kick with your feet planted firmly in the ground.

EDIT: Another thing. Gohan being SO MUCH stronger than Super Perfect Cell, and Goku in the Buu Saga being SO MUCH stronger than kid Gohan. I don't think that fits at all; Cell was able to heavily wound Gohan with a casual uncharged ki blast and easily overpower his Kamehameha without effort. Goku even heavily implied that Gohan's full power wouldn't have been enough had Vegeta not intervened. It seems best to have them as close rivals. And Goku completely dwarfing kid Gohan? Vegeta implied several times that surpassing kid Gohan is a feat he couldn't dream of, and Piccolo could barley tell the difference between Majin Vegeta and kid Gohan's ki. Definitely doesn't sound like a gargantuan gap.

Also, Gohan was never holding back Cell at half power; Cell wasn't putting any effort into the Kamehameha at all; he was smiling and implied he was toying near the end when he said something like "Alright, enough playing around". And yet he still easily overpowered Gohan in seconds. I don't think that scene was meant to say anything other than Cell was way stronger than wounded Gohan.

EDIT EDIT: Hmmm... I also noticed you didn't put down a level for Dabra?

[Mjb1985]

I never liked Trunks surprise being due to Goku being so blunt. It always felt like a copout situation to me. Fortunately for those of us who aren't looking to make Piccolo so strong, there is another way.

Trunks thinks 50% Goku is Goku's full power.

Trunks thinks Piccolo is a help to Goku's power.

Trunks learns that Piccolos power is useless.

So all Piccolo needs to be is strong enough to help out 50% Goku. Something like 25% Goku works out just fine.

[RandomGuy96]

I have Cell Games Piccolo on par with Grade II Trunks; that seems like it's not underrating him, and makes Trunks' shock make sense.

[Mjb1985]

That's a good placement. Trunks surprise is predicated on that he thought Piccolo would be of some help. He's surprised to find out that Piccolo is useless. So there's plenty of room to play here.

[RandomGuy96]

Another interesting note on both Saiga's list and in general: Vegeta was actually able to hurt Fat Buu after his second power up, which to our knowledge is the maximum power he displayed in combat, and the power that's used as a measuring stick when comparing him to other characters. Fat Buu budged from his punches and was in pain when Vegeta blasted a hole in his stomach. I can't really see Vegeta doing this if Fat Buu is multifolds above him. This along with the power meter and Kaioshin's comments on Buu's power if he were to be released without the meter full, as well as his fight with Goku, indicates to me that he's nowhere near the SS3 tier of power.\

Also, Piccolo said that Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't beat Fat Buu together, and Vegeta specified that they couldn't beat Fat Buu as a team if they were fighting "the normal way", most likely referring to Fat Buu's regeneration abilities that he just saw first hand. Again, I don't think either of these comments point to Fat Buu being multifolds above the Super Saiyan 2s.

[Saiga]

Thanks for the extensive feedback. I have to say that I made some mistakes there, which is why the gap between Vegeta and Trunks is so huge (I had Trunks at 11,500,000 to Vegeta's 11,800,000, but forgot to update that so Trunks' figure is from when I used lower scaling). I should probably create a fresh list next time I do an update so that I don't get figures confused like that (especially since my next update will likely be a big one).

I've said before the scaling doesn't really sit right with me so I do plan on redoing this section, I actually originally did this when I had no access to the Cell section of the manga. I have most of it now, though, so a read through that should help me more. I was mainly using the strength checker and my memory so a lot of these tanking feats went unnoticed. Also, I think my power level for sick Goku might be when he starts losing the fight, because I thought his power would start out near 240,000,000 but be dropping throughout the fight. I don't know if I'll include figures that are varied by circumstance in my new list, though.

Also, on Goku being too much stronger than Gohan, at one point I remember Enraged SS2 Gohan being 7,000,000,000 so Goku wasn't much higher than him but when I redid my Cell Games battle powers I didn't follow the changes through (because I originally based Goku's battle power on his Cell Games power more than his relation to kid Gohan, and didn't have a problem with a gap that large).

Gohan being so much stronger mostly comes from me using the Super Saiyan multipliers with Cell, and believing that Grade III = SS2. So Gohan crushing Cell puts him noticeably above him. I think Cell also has to be weaker than non-enraged Gohan if Dabra is equal to him and Teen Gohan is noticeably stronger than Dabra, which I'm starting to believe. I've been toying with the idea of post-Goku death Gohan lacking his rage boost, too, which would make him weaker. He doesn't seem to have the same anger and viciousness he did when he was beating up Cell, especially not after he took that hit. I dunno, just a thought.

Dabra doesn't have a level both because it's controversial and because I am unsure of where to put him in relation to Gohan. I used to have him stronger than Gohan but now I'm thinking he might be decently weaker, as I mentioned just before. But putting him even with SPC at 4,500,000,000 might be too far behind Gohan at 5,000,0000,000 - 5,200,000,000. Or not far enough... I don't know what to compare Gohan's tanking feat to.

Oh, and in regard to your last comment and Fat Boo's power level, I used to have various power up stages for Fat Boo, and eventually stopped listing them in favour of putting his final one, which I believe happened when he unleashed his huge explosion. I think the Fat Boo that Vegeta was beating up was at 7,200,000,000.

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Now, in response to your own power levels, I'm still unsure how to feel about Vegeta and Nappa possessing amplification. I don't try to deny that Goku as at 24,000 with his Kaio-ken x3 Kamehameha, the manga definitely has his power level go over 20,000 during the power up, but I think it may be possible that Vegeta's Galick Gun can amplify that without his own battle power amplifying. That may not be an acceptable answer to you, though, and I suppose it's not really supported by anything other than the idea that Vegeta can't amplify his own power. I guess in my eventual re-read on the series I'll try and weigh up the evidence for him possessing amplification over evidence against. Two things that come to mind, right now, are Raditz being shocked by it and the Ginyu Force's comments

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if Vegeta (and to a lesser extent Nappa) could amplify their battle power but Raditz was unaware of that due to the power or class gap between them (and definite lack of respect), so that might not be a problem. It does seem to be implied at this time that the Earthlings are special because of this ability, though.

Butta comments that it's rare for races to change their battle powers other than transformation, making Recoome comment that Vegeta's friends are quite special. Which is... interesting. It's like there's no surprise at a Saiyan being capable of it. And Ginyu suspects Goku of being able to alter his battle power before he sees evidence of it, too.

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Also, I noticed you don't have Goten = Gohan, which I thought you believed. You also have SS3 Gogeta stronger than Gohan-Boo, which I thought you didn't believe. Unless SS3 Gogeta doesn't have 8x SS1 for his SS3 multiplier, but I don't see how that could be.

[Mjb1985]

When Goku mentioned he wished he, Gohan and Vegeta were around, Piccolo said that it wouldn't matter because Buu wasn't at that level.

But you are right, if that was Buu's max against Vegeta, it didnt look like Vegeta was multi folds weaker. But the Buu Saga fights are a lot different than the other sagas.

[Kamiccolo9]

Another interesting note on both Saiga's list and in general: Vegeta was actually able to hurt Fat Buu after his second power up, which to our knowledge is the maximum power he displayed in combat, and the power that's used as a measuring stick when comparing him to other characters. Fat Buu budged from his punches and was in pain when Vegeta blasted a hole in his stomach. I can't really see Vegeta doing this if Fat Buu is multifolds above him. This along with the power meter and Kaioshin's comments on Buu's power if he were to be released without the meter full, as well as his fight with Goku, indicates to me that he's nowhere near the SS3 tier of power.\

Also, Piccolo said that Goku and Vegeta probably couldn't beat Fat Buu together, and Vegeta specified that they couldn't beat Fat Buu as a team if they were fighting "the normal way", most likely referring to Fat Buu's regeneration abilities that he just saw first hand. Again, I don't think either of these comments point to Fat Buu being multifolds above the Super Saiyan 2s.

Actually, I think Buu powered up again after Vegeta shot a hole in him. That's when he got really, really pissed, and retaliated with that huge explosion. This is the Buu that, IMO, fought Goku, the one that completely crushed Vegeta while taking no damage.

[RandomGuy96]

Thanks for the extensive feedback. I have to say that I made some mistakes there, which is why the gap between Vegeta and Trunks is so huge (I had Trunks at 11,500,000 to Vegeta's 11,800,000, but forgot to update that so Trunks' figure is from when I used lower scaling). I should probably create a fresh list next time I do an update so that I don't get figures confused like that (especially since my next update will likely be a big one).

's alright, I love talking about power gaps, factors in determining fights, and the like.

I've said before the scaling doesn't really sit right with me so I do plan on redoing this section, I actually originally did this when I had no access to the Cell section of the manga. I have most of it now, though, so a read through that should help me more. I was mainly using the strength checker and my memory so a lot of these tanking feats went unnoticed. Also, I think my power level for sick Goku might be when he starts losing the fight, because I thought his power would start out near 240,000,000 but be dropping throughout the fight. I don't know if I'll include figures that are varied by circumstance in my new list, though.

I presume that's why you initially had 19 so high? Cause he was surviving Goku's hits for a brief while, Nappa style?

I'd recommend making that more apparent on the list. When most people see sick Goku, they assume you're talking about the level he beat up 19 at.

I usually list levels that vary on circumstance when they're important to the plot, because they're just as relevant as full powers. For example, Vegeta's injured level when he beat up Gohan, his injured level when he became an Ozaru, sick Goku's level when fighting 19, injured Gohan's level when Cell was crushing him.

Also, on Goku being too much stronger than Gohan, at one point I remember Enraged SS2 Gohan being 7,000,000,000 so Goku wasn't much higher than him but when I redid my Cell Games battle powers I didn't follow the changes through (because I originally based Goku's battle power on his Cell Games power more than his relation to kid Gohan, and didn't have a problem with a gap that large).

That's a decent placement (still a bit larger for my tastes, though), but that just makes it weirder that Super Perfect Cell is such a bug (heh) to Enraged Gohan.

Gohan being so much stronger mostly comes from me using the Super Saiyan multipliers with Cell, and believing that Grade III = SS2. So Gohan crushing Cell puts him noticeably above him. I think Cell also has to be weaker than non-enraged Gohan if Dabra is equal to him and Teen Gohan is noticeably stronger than Dabra, which I'm starting to believe. I've been toying with the idea of post-Goku death Gohan lacking his rage boost, too, which would make him weaker. He doesn't seem to have the same anger and viciousness he did when he was beating up Cell, especially not after he took that hit. I dunno, just a thought.

I used to do the same thing, but since going with the rage boost theory I don't think that fits best. Gohan saw Cell's blast coming, so he wasn't off guard, he just took it without bracing himself first. And as we saw with a few of Vegeta's fights and even Gohan's fight with Dabra, an attack that's a noticeably weaker a fighter will not cause much damage at all even if the stronger fighter doesn't get time to brace themselves. Also, there's everyone being scared of Cell despite Gohan standing right there, Cell easily overwhelming Gohan in the beam struggle while barley putting any effort into it, Cell assuming he's on a level that can beat someone who two shotted his previous power (I don't think a x1.33 gap can do that...) Gohan NEEDING the distraction to beat Cell even when using his full power, et cetera.

Grade III Cell actually could have a higher power level than SS2 Gohan, or somewhat close (I also think that Grade III should be higher than x100 to account for the gap between Initial Perfect Cell and Vegeta, or that Grade II should be smaller in comparison, like x65 or something). I have this theory that your power level is just a measure of what you can do offensively; this is usually proportionate to your speed and durability, but not always. instances that support this include speed often being treated as something different and power levels going up when someone uses a big blast (I doubt they're getting more durable in those instances, otherwise Piccolo could just use the SBC and tank everyone). So Grade III Cell can have a lot of 'points' in his offensive 'stat', leaving his speed and defense stats pitifully low in comparison. SPC, on the other hand, would have all of his 'stats' boosted, and could take and dodge punishment as well as dish it out. Or you could just go with Ozaru's theory that Cell wasn't able to reach full power in Grade III because he'd been injured previously.

I usually go with that as well to explain why Cell f'd up Gohan so badly with one small blast meant to kill a weakling; however I think that in this case SPC should be STRONGER than non-enraged Gohan. Again, the Dabra example proves that even if Gohan took that blast without bracing himself, it wouldn't have done all that much if he was stronger than Cell (and Dabra was actually using a blast meant to injure someone at his level, logically it should've taken more of his power than Cell's casual finger beam to Vegeta).

Also, remember that Cell's zenkai was explicitly compared to the saiyan healing boosts. So IMO, it wouldn't just be x2 his normal level, like attaining a new form; his normal level would be boosted and then multiplied. But then, I have Cell's full power nearly twice the power he used against Goku...

Dabra doesn't have a level both because it's controversial and because I am unsure of where to put him in relation to Gohan. I used to have him stronger than Gohan but now I'm thinking he might be decently weaker, as I mentioned just before. But putting him even with SPC at 4,500,000,000 might be too far behind Gohan at 5,000,0000,000 - 5,200,000,000. Or not far enough... I don't know what to compare Gohan's tanking feat to.

I actually think Gohan's tanking feat is more comparable to 18 tanking Vegeta's ki blast than anything. In both cases, the target had torn clothes, a few scratches, and looked kinda pissed, probably indicating pain, but didn't suffer any real damage. Though I definitely think Dabra was closer to Gohan then Vegeta was to 18, and could've won that fight, but mostly do to his magic tricks.

4,500,000,000 would be just the right amount of power for Dabra in this case, IMO. I just think it's far too low for Super Perfect Cell. He has 3-5 feats on Gohan, who has none on him. At the very least Cell wasn't implied to be a complete turd to Gohan. I usually just have Dabra equal to Full Power Perfect Cell. That usually fits perfectly for me; he's very low SS2 tier and moderately weaker than SS2 Gohan, justifying him resorting to tactics and magic after a few minutes of fighting hand to hand, yet still equal to Cell, matching the Daizenshuu line.

Oh, and in regard to your last comment and Fat Boo's power level, I used to have various power up stages for Fat Boo, and eventually stopped listing them in favour of putting his final one, which I believe happened when he unleashed his huge explosion. I think the Fat Boo that Vegeta was beating up was at 7,200,000,000.

That's a little odd, as Goku said he and Vegeta would need teamwork to beat Buu and Vegeta was expecting to die fighting him alone. Then Buu did another power up. Then Vegeta "beat him up".

Also, I noticed you don't have Goten = Gohan, which I thought you believed. You also have SS3 Gogeta stronger than Gohan-Boo, which I thought you didn't believe. Unless SS3 Gogeta doesn't have 8x SS1 for his SS3 multiplier, but I don't see how that could be.

Whenever I post that tidbit from the Daizenshuu, I usually preface it with "I don't believe this but...". I usually just bring that up to show where the official standing might lean in relation to the kids' strength/whenever I get tired of people wanking Gogeta.

At the moment I'm just rolling with the fused SS3 multiplier being x200 as opposed to x400 for whatever reason, as I have it with Gotenks. Mostly because it makes things much simpler where Buu is concerned, Gotenks was kind of implied to get weird boosts anyway, and I really like having the South Kaioshin absorption as simple addition (I don't think him multiplying Buu's power was implied at all). I may change that later, as I have heard some good points for why South Kaioshin's absorption was atypical. Among other things, unlike other absorptions it: changed Buu's body significantly, didn't give him South Kaioshin's shirt, didn't change Buu's facial features, and gave Buu a really long head tentacle, which going by the precedent set by Buuhan and Buutenks, would imply that Buff Buu actually rivals Ultimate Gohan. Not sure at the minute though.

Maybe that was a slightly older version. I do have Buuhan stronger than hypothetical SS3 Gogeta (who I listed right under Vegtto) now; 170 to Gogeta's 165. It's only a tiny bit, but I think it fits because of Gogeta's extremely crippling disadvatanges in a potential fight with him that will hand Buuhan a very easy win.

When Goku mentioned he wished he, Gohan and Vegeta were around, Piccolo said that it wouldn't matter because Buu wasn't at that level.

Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.6-7
Goku: “Damn it! If either Vegeta or Gohan were alive, maybe we could have managed something…”
Piccolo: “…No, it probably wouldn’t matter how many people went at him…He wasn’t at that level…”

The placement of the "probably" suggests that there is a non-zero chance of them being able to manage something that way, which I don't think fits them being multifolds weaker than Buu. There's also Vegeta's clarification that fighting Buu "the normal way" won't work after seeing his regeneration in action.

Actually, I think Buu powered up again after Vegeta shot a hole in him. That's when he got really, really pissed, and retaliated with that huge explosion. This is the Buu that, IMO, fought Goku, the one that completely crushed Vegeta while taking no damage.

Well, the problem I have with that is this:

Chapter: 462 (DBZ 268), P1.2-4, P2.5
Context: after Boo beats Dabra
Gohan: “It-it rose…Majin Boo’s ki rose explosively…He’s str-strong…Too strong…This is unbelievable…”
Trunks: “…What the…!? This time I feel an incredible ki over there too…What’s going on?...”
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Goku (talking to Vegeta): “…It changed into an outrageous ki…So Majin Boo really isn’t anyone ordinary after all…This ain’t no time to be doing this kinda thing…! We’re the ones who let this monster out…”

Chapter: 464 (DBZ 270), P11.6
Context: after Vegeta insults Boo and he lets steam out of his head
Kuririn: “Hey…That monstrous bastard’s ki got even huger.”

In both previous instances, a massive rise in Majin Buu's ki was noted. Not in this one. It just looked like he got pissed and used an attack (that failed to one-shot Vegeta I might add). This tells me that there probably wasn't an increase.

Plus, from a Doylist perspective it's kind of silly to have Buu start out stronger than Vegeta, then power up to a level way above Vegeta, then just power up again.