The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Rocketman]

Vegeta (Buu arc) vs. Roshi (22nd Budokai) at equal power levels.

Vegeta tanks, unless Roshi can catch him in something like that electric prison he used on Goku.

[CatouttaHell]

1. SSJ1 Gotenks Pre Rosat Vs Dabura
2. Spike the Devilman 22nd Budokai Vs Krillin
Id say Devilman.
3. Bido (Bojack Unbound) Vs Piccolo
Id say Piccolo.
4. King Cold Vs Android 20 (no energy)
Id say King Cold.

1. Gotenks gets DEMOLISHED. Even Post-RoSaT would get beaten into the ground. Dabura is maybe 1.25x more powerful than SSjin 2 Gohan, who IMO never got weaker and is above Super Perfect Cell in the Boo Arc. Meanwhile SSjin Gotenks is below SSjin Goku IMO.

2. Kuririn would win. When Goku got serious he one-shotted Akkuman, and I think Kuririn should be at least on par with Goku from 3 years ago but that's just me.

3. Piccolo wins. I think Piccolo is on par with Vegeta and Trunks, and Vegeta is implied to be a good deal above Bido and Bujin.

4. King Cold rips his arm off and beats him with it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Vegeta (Buu arc) vs. Roshi (22nd Budokai) at equal power levels.

Roshi has more skill and battle intuition than Vegeta, who would've been able to wipe out the majority of his opponents with his pinky. Plus, Roshi has more versatile techniques, such as his paralysis and Bankoki-Bikkuri-Shou, which would be able to eventually wear the durable Vegeta. Therefore, Roshi would win.

[Rocketman]

Roshi has paralysis?

[In Brightest Day]

Chaozu vs. Kaioshin at equal power levels.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Kaioshin would take it, since his psychic abilities appear to be greater than Chaozu's. I also think his kiai attack would be a big problem for Chaozu.

[CatouttaHell]

Chaozu paints an M on his forehead and causes Kaioshin to have a heart attack.

[jackjack]

Gotenks gets DEMOLISHED. Even Post-RoSaT would get beaten into the ground. Dabura is maybe 1.25x more powerful than SSjin 2 Gohan, who IMO never got weaker and is above Super Perfect Cell in the Boo Arc. Meanwhile SSjin Gotenks is below SSjin Goku IMO.

This guy...never ceases to amaze me. Good one.

[hleV]

Gotenks gets DEMOLISHED. Even Post-RoSaT would get beaten into the ground. Dabura is maybe 1.25x more powerful than SSjin 2 Gohan, who IMO never got weaker and is above Super Perfect Cell in the Boo Arc. Meanwhile SSjin Gotenks is below SSjin Goku IMO.

This guy...never ceases to amaze me. Good one.

Heh, was waiting for someone to comment that. It would seem he absolutely doesn't care about what characters ever stated/implied/displayed in DB. Even if he's going by anime.

[Rocketman]

Ok, I missed that one. How can you say Gohan didn't get weaker after Cell? That's just bizarre.

[Kaboom]

Because one of the Daizenshuu say something like, "Gohan's strength hadn't changed since he was a boy." Despite him being specifically noted as weaker at several points in the early Majin Boo arc.

[Drayenko]

Daizenshuus are overrated. Period

[CatouttaHell]

The Daizenshuu said Gohan didn't get weaker. He was holding his own against Dabura, who was stated to be above Super Perfect Cell in the manga. The manga only talks about him slacking off and thus not having the same power he did when he fought Cell, which most likely refers to the rage boost. The Daizenshuu confirms he doesn't have the same power as when he fought Cell because he couldn't gain power from anger and didn't train to get himself to the level he was then without any rage. It makes no sense for Gohan to be weaker anyway, Ki is not a muscle so it can't atrophy.

[Drayenko]

What? If you don't train in 7 years! (7 YEARS!) Of course you are gonna get weaker. I mean it's if I sit on my couch every day for 7 years doing nothing but watch T.V I believe I'm gonna have a hard time lifting my arm... I mean I don't really know hw to explain this... but it's kinda like common sense...? I don't care what the Daizenshuus say if it's contradicted by the manga... Also, when was Dabura stated to be stronger than "Super Perfect Cell"?

EDIT: We don't really know how ki works, do we? I can't use ki... so...

[CatouttaHell]

The Daizenshuu isn't contradicted by anything. It specifically says his power is the same as when he was a kid but lower than when he fought Cell because he didn't train and couldn't gain power from anger.

Enraged Gohan > Chibi Gohan = Teen Gohan

You're talking about muscle, not Ki. Ki is not a muscle, it is spiritual energy and thus it cannot atrophy. And regarding Dabura:

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.1-4u?...”
Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”

[dbgtFO]

Base Kid Gohan = Base Teen Gohan < SSJ Kid Gohan = SSJ Teen Gohan < SSJ 2 Kid Gohan = SSJ 2 Teen Gohan < Angry Gohan.
That's what Daizenshuu 2 tells us.

[CatouttaHell]

Base Kid Gohan = Base Teen Gohan < SSJ Kid Gohan = SSJ Teen Gohan < SSJ 2 Kid Gohan = SSJ 2 Teen Gohan < Angry Gohan.
That's what Daizenshuu 2 tells us.

Yeah that's what makes the most sense to me. I think Gohan was a SSjin 2 in every instance he transformed after his training with Goten so every time he'd power up they'd be comparing his power to the Gohan that beat Cell (they even word it like that.) Gohan had that whole rage boost going back then so without the rage boost it'd SEEM like he got a gargantuan drop in his strength. Although Vegeta himself implied that Enraged SSjin 2 Teen/Chibi Gohan is >>> him.

It just makes no sense to me for Gohan to get weaker. If Tsuru-sennin sits on his butt and does nothing he'll get weaker for sure because he relies mainly on physical strength and muscles obviously atrophy. For Gohan to get weaker his Ki would have to atrophy which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The only thing that could cause a drop in Ki, besides being exhausted from fighting or training, is drops in Shouki and/or Yuuki and none of those happened to SSjin 2 Gohan outside of when he faced Super Perfect Cell at first.

[CatouttaHell]

Dr. Mu vs. Dr. Gero (Post-Absorptions) who wins?

Personally I'm banking on Dr. Gero since Mu actually seemed to be thrown out of the way when Giru fired a missile at him, while IIRC Giru's missiles did nothing to a guy who Pan stomped (I don't believe any of the GT Base Saiya-jins surpassed Dr. Gero or 100% Freeza anymore personally.)

[Piccolo Daimao]

Roshi has paralysis?

At the 22nd TB, he paralyzed Man-Wolf by touching a pressure point on his head.

Chaozu vs. Kaioshin at equal power levels.

I think Kaioshin's paralysis is greater than Chaozu's. While we don't know the respective gaps between Chaozu & Nappa and Kaioshin & SSj2 Gohan, Kaioshin was still able to paralyze SSj2 Gohan. And if nothing else, he's a god. So I think Kaioshin would win.

Oh, and @CatouttaHell, Goku guessed that Dabra was about as strong as an unspecified form of Cell. So it doesn't necessarily have to be Super Perfect Cell. Especially since many people believe that Gohan was only at regular Super Saiyan when he fought Dabra.

[In Brightest Day]

Yakon vs. Buu arc Piccolo.