Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[ATEMVEGETA]

Do you actually need a source for that? xD

What can someone expect when hearing them saying "Buu, a creature with enough power to destroy a planet." PLANET??? REALLY? Frieza in his first form was a creature able to destroy a planet without breaking a sweat, needless to mention Saiyan Saga Vegeta! Either they don't know a damn thing about Dragon Ball or they just making their conclusions to match their desire outcome.

For exmaple during the Buu saga: When Goku was fighting Yakon, Babidi calculated his power and it was 3000 kili! Then the surprised Dabura said "With just 300 Kili is enough to destroy a planet, but 3000?"

Answer me this. If they had really just a bit of Dragon Ball knowledge, would they make Kirby win against Buu? Gimme a break!

[emperior]

These guys are DBZ haters, lol.

[TheGmGoken]

These guys are DBZ haters, lol.

How? Vegeta won his fight with Shadow.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I'd like to point out that the "300 kilis can destroy a planet" was a filler line.

Also what lots of people don't realize is that there are lots of different methods of destroying planets, lots of different types of planets, and the energy requirements can change significantly.

To destroy the largest planet known in the universe would take probably millions of times more power than destroying the smallest planet known.

[ATEMVEGETA]

How? Vegeta won his fight with Shadow.

Comparing Vegeta with Shadow and putting them into a fight together is a disrepect for the Saiyan pride! Thus...hating!

About kilis, it was official stated in Daizenshuu 7 that a power of 200-300 kilis can destroy up to 1-2 planets.

[Polyphase Avatron]

That was based on the anime filler though so I tend to disregard it. It doesn't make much sense anyway as you would think Buu arc SSJ1 Goku would be stronger than that.

[dbzfan7]

Do you actually need a source for that? xD

What can someone expect when hearing them saying "Buu, a creature with enough power to destroy a planet." PLANET??? REALLY? Freeza in his first form was a creature able to destroy a planet without breaking a sweat, needless to mention Saiyan Saga Vegeta! Either they don't know a damn thing about Dragon Ball or they just making their conclusions to match their desire outcome.

For exmaple during the Buu saga: When Goku was fighting Yakon, Babidi calculated his power and it was 3000 kili! Then the surprised Dabura said "With just 300 Kili is enough to destroy a planet, but 3000?"

Answer me this. If they had really just a bit of Dragon Ball knowledge, would they make Kirby win against Buu? Gimme a break!

They do their research, it's just the conclusions that aren't always admirable by everyone.

If you want answers on the Boo thing, go sign up for the screwattack forums and debate that topic there. You'll have plenty of people who source themselves and can explain why Boo would lose. There's also blogs with people who do the same. You can read one to maybe get some insight. Doesn't mean you have to agree with any of it, but if you want to learn a bit more, that's where ya go.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Well I'm generally of the opinion that, except in cases where there is a huge and obvious discrepancy in power/ability (i.e. the 'Bambi vs. Godzilla' scenario), then you can't actually know for sure 'who would win' unless there's an official crossover or something.

[ATEMVEGETA]

They do their research, it's just the conclusions that aren't always admirable by everyone.

If you want answers on the Boo thing, go sign up for the screwattack forums and debate that topic there. You'll have plenty of people who source themselves and can explain why Boo would lose. There's also blogs with people who do the same. You can read one to maybe get some insight. Doesn't mean you have to agree with any of it, but if you want to learn a bit more, that's where ya go.

Ofc they do their research. They watched the Buu Saga, then they noticed that Buu destroyed just only planets in his whole career in DBZ, then they consider Buu a planet buster! Brilliant!

Btw, your point is correct and this is what I tried to say also in my first post. Screwattack is doing their research and they make their conclusions. Hundrends of other people do the same as well, especially for Goku vs Superman debate. Half of them prove in their researches that Superman should win, and the other half prove that Goku should. Screwattack is one of those that prove Superman can win. People are taking it so seriously coz they are famous and have millions of subscribers, ignoring the fact that they are unofficial! Also the fact that instead of a simple blog they make a video about it (+ the battle) makes it more cool especially watching them fight instead of reading some lines about their power comparisions.

Same for Kirby vs Buu.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Looks like they will also use SSGSS Goku
It can´t wait to see the BS explanation they will give to Superman winning.

[Polyphase Avatron]

They do their research, it's just the conclusions that aren't always admirable by everyone.

If you want answers on the Boo thing, go sign up for the screwattack forums and debate that topic there. You'll have plenty of people who source themselves and can explain why Boo would lose. There's also blogs with people who do the same. You can read one to maybe get some insight. Doesn't mean you have to agree with any of it, but if you want to learn a bit more, that's where ya go.

Ofc they do their research. They watched the Buu Saga, then they noticed that Buu destroyed just only planets in his whole career in DBZ, then they consider Buu a planet buster! Brilliant!

Btw, your point is correct and this is what I tried to say also in my first post. Screwattack is doing their research and they make their conclusions. Hundrends of other people do the same as well, especially for Goku vs Superman debate. Half of them prove in their researches that Superman should win, and the other half prove that Goku should. Screwattack is one of those that prove Superman can win. People are taking it so seriously coz they are famous and have millions of subscribers, ignoring the fact that they are unofficial! Also the fact that instead of a simple blog they make a video about it (+ the battle) makes it more cool especially watching them fight instead of reading some lines about their power comparisions.

Same for Kirby vs Buu.

"Prove" isn't really the right word. No one is "proving" anything with these arguments.

[rereboy]

Looks like they will also use SSGSS Goku
It can´t wait to see the BS explanation they will give to Superman winning.

There's really no BS in Superman winning. It's pretty much like I read in this post a few days ago in another forum:

Goku vs. Superman is simple. Most media representations of SUperman, Goku wins easily, he's a super speed fighter planet buster and Supes isn't, and really, Raditz could dominate Superman as he is in the movies and cartoon and *most* comics. And once you get to Super Saiyan levels its really entirely Goku's domination.

But if you take the absolute strongest (most badly written comic science) stories where Supes is his most contrived and impossible? Then by sheer math it's Superman by a mile. There's a difference between being able to blow up a planet, and being able to physically move one.

Goku can train while wearing a few tons, but Superman can well, drag the entire Earth a distance. Goku can tank crazy powerful hits, Superman can take exploding supernovas. Even with new SSG forms to account for, its still... not a thing.

Basically, it's just this guy said. Most of the time, Superman is not more impressive than what Goku could do, mostly thanks to the fact that the writers like to portray him at a more human level to create more tension and danger, but when we look at how he is when the writers aren't concerned by that, at when he is most impressive, then Goku doesn't stand a chance.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Meh, people often confuse the cartoons where he's weaker with the comics where he's stronger. The 50 different versions and continuities don't help matters much.

That's one of the reasons I like Marvel better than DC anyway, none of these ridiculous full-continuity reboots.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

There's really no BS in Superman winning.

Maybe i worded it wrong, i should have said "what kind of BS explanation they will give to mesuare Goku´s power on SSG/SSGSS", when the only thing that is clear from that transformation is "stronger than SS3 and can fight gods like Beerus".

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Meh, people often confuse the cartoons where he's weaker with the comics where he's stronger. The 50 different versions and continuities don't help matters much.

That's one of the reasons I like Marvel better than DC anyway, none of these ridiculous full-continuity reboots.

Marvel also has different continuities and versions of their characters, albeit in a lesser extent than DC.

[Bullza]

Well I'm glad they're using SSGSS but I don't know what extra difference that's going to end up making as there isn't really anything to give us a good idea how much more powerful it's supposed to be.

The video looks pretty good though so it'll be fun to watch.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Meh, people often confuse the cartoons where he's weaker with the comics where he's stronger. The 50 different versions and continuities don't help matters much.

That's one of the reasons I like Marvel better than DC anyway, none of these ridiculous full-continuity reboots.

Marvel also has different continuities and versions of their characters, albeit in a lesser extent than DC.

True but my point is that they don't go and retcon all of the history and backstory of all of their characters and universe and start it over from scratch. At most they'll just make an alternate version like the Ultimate universe, so if you prefer the originals you can just keep reading them and ignore the other versions.

[Doctor.]

I don't really care about the result, watching Death Battles has always been good to me for entertainment value, not to overthink things and create a huge debate like many people unfortunately like to do. The trailer looks good.

[TheGmGoken]

They could always use modern day Goku vs Modern Day Supes.

Or use Yellow Latern Superman from Injustice MURDER Goku

[dbzfan7]

Looks like they will also use SSGSS Goku
It can´t wait to see the BS explanation they will give to Superman winning.

There's really no BS in Superman winning. It's pretty much like I read in this post a few days ago in another forum:

Goku vs. Superman is simple. Most media representations of SUperman, Goku wins easily, he's a super speed fighter planet buster and Supes isn't, and really, Raditz could dominate Superman as he is in the movies and cartoon and *most* comics. And once you get to Super Saiyan levels its really entirely Goku's domination.

But if you take the absolute strongest (most badly written comic science) stories where Supes is his most contrived and impossible? Then by sheer math it's Superman by a mile. There's a difference between being able to blow up a planet, and being able to physically move one.

Goku can train while wearing a few tons, but Superman can well, drag the entire Earth a distance. Goku can tank crazy powerful hits, Superman can take exploding supernovas. Even with new SSG forms to account for, its still... not a thing.

Basically, it's just this guy said. Most of the time, Superman is not more impressive than what Goku could do, mostly thanks to the fact that the writers like to portray him at a more human level to create more tension and danger, but when we look at how he is when the writers aren't concerned by that, at when he is most impressive, then Goku doesn't stand a chance.

I gotta agree with all of this. This is basically putting a guy with many impossible feats vs someone who's whole feats are power scaled, or usually never shows quantifiable feats. Hell the only impressive feat which I don't count since it's a video game, is SSGSS Goku and Vegeta blowing up a galaxy. I don't count that though as it's just a video game thing. Other than that I think nothing changes from last time.

At least Tails vs Luigi (Pretty much Mario vs Sonic 2) had some more weight to it, despite I figured it'd pretty much end the same way.

However that trailer is damn awesome. Gets me way more hyped than Super's trailers or opening. Both of which do not inspire hype, but rather a different feeling. And I'm hyped for a battle that still probably is one sided and pointless. Does anyone know where to find that trailer theme? Cause it's freaking awesome.