Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[ABED]

No I mean how do you figure they haven't delved into the Saiyan backstory much? We know much about the last days of the Saiyan race and their relationship with Freeza. I don't think we need any exploration beyond that. It's plenty.

[Artorias]

This might sound blasphemous to a lot of people here, or maybe not. But...

I have absolutely zero interest in this film. Maybe I'm in the minority and this sounds crazy to most people, but to me, Dragon Ball IS Goku and friends. That's all it is. The world and lore of Dragon Ball isn't that interesting on it's own, it's the characters that we've come to know and love that fill that world that makes it fun. So a story WITHOUT the main cast just sounds completely boring. I just don't care about the world of Dragon Ball on it's own, so exploring the Saiyans' backstory is incredibly mundane and wasteful to me.

This is absolutely true, which is why I don't want this to feel like a 'Dragon Ball' film. I want them to just treat this as something completely fresh and new that just so happens to exist in the Dragon Ball world. I want to see Toriyama to try and write something original with characters that he is not familiar with.

What you said doesn't sound blasphemous at all. It's a very valid reason to not be interested in this. I'm just interested to see what they could do with a story that doesn't include the characters we know.

I just don't have much faith in Toriyama/Toei's ability to craft a good narrative that can stand on it's own without the main cast. Ressurection of F and Battle of Gods were quite literally ONLY entertaining to me because of the characters that were in it. The plots of those films would've bored me to tears had it not been for the fun interactions with the characters I love.

[TheUltimateNinja]

This might sound blasphemous to a lot of people here, or maybe not. But...

I have absolutely zero interest in this film. Maybe I'm in the minority and this sounds crazy to most people, but to me, Dragon Ball IS Goku and friends. That's all it is. The world and lore of Dragon Ball isn't that interesting on it's own, it's the characters that we've come to know and love that fill that world that makes it fun. So a story WITHOUT the main cast just sounds completely boring. I just don't care about the world of Dragon Ball on it's own, so exploring the Saiyans' backstory is incredibly mundane and wasteful to me.

This is absolutely true, which is why I don't want this to feel like a 'Dragon Ball' film. I want them to just treat this as something completely fresh and new that just so happens to exist in the Dragon Ball world. I want to see Toriyama to try and write something original with characters that he is not familiar with.

What you said doesn't sound blasphemous at all. It's a very valid reason to not be interested in this. I'm just interested to see what they could do with a story that doesn't include the characters we know.

I just don't have much faith in Toriyama/Toei's ability to craft a good narrative that can stand on it's own without the main cast. Ressurection of F and Battle of Gods were quite literally ONLY entertaining to me because of the characters that were in it. The plots of those films would've bored me to tears had it not been for the fun interactions with the characters I love.

Jaco was really good.

[Meshack]

No I mean how do you figure they haven't delved into the Saiyan backstory much? We know much about the last days of the Saiyan race and their relationship with Freeza. I don't think we need any exploration beyond that. It's plenty.

There’s more to the Saiyan than the Saiyans and their relationship with Freeza. They have history before Planet Vegeta and they have history when Planet Sadala was destroyed and landed on Planet Plant. The Saiyans weren’t the same when they were on Planet Sadala as they were on Planet Vegeta. You also have the Tsufruian relationship that Toriyama never really delved into.

[ABED]

I'm sure there is more to it, but do we really care that much about Krypton other than Superman was born there and it blew up?

[Black Hawk]

I think a good way to satiate the folks who want new ground to be covered AND their old favourites would be a "coinciding storyline", or whatever you'd call it.

The basic idea is that the film switches perspectives from the past, with Yamoshi and the origins of Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God, with the present, with Goku and the gang during the events of Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F and material before and after.

Perhaps Yamoshi's tale is the primary focus, but it occasionally shifts back to the present, with scenes from the past transitioning to scenes in the present where they're meant to relate, like Yamoshi's first transformation into Super Saiyan transitioning to that of Goku's first time, the 6 righteous Saiyans over Planet Vegeta creating the first Super Saiyan God coinciding with Goku and co. creating their own Super Saiyan God, etc.

This is just a potential structure I thought might be interesting to see.

I absolutely love this idea! It's something that Dragon Ball Super chapter twenty did very effectively in switching between two scenarios that were taking place and were connected by the context. The swapping between the future and the present in order to provide a complete understanding of the situation was done so effectively and I would be thrilled if this movie took a similar approach.

[Grimlock]

but do we really care that much about Krypton other than Superman was born there and it blew up?

Krypton? No. Planet Plant/Vegeta? Yes, I care that much.

C'mon, maybe next time they make a movie about the origins Namekuseijins and explain everything we need to know about them!

[superfan2024]

Can this title be changed to "Official On-Going DBZ 2018 Movie Thread"? It fits in with the other two titles from Jacob's other threads for BoG and Ro'F'.

[TheUltimateNinja]

but do we really care that much about Krypton other than Superman was born there and it blew up?

Krypton? No. Planet Plant/Vegeta? Yes, I care that much.

C'mon, maybe next time they make a movie about the origins Namekuseijins and explain everything we need to know about them!

A Namek movie would be a box office bomb, not even DC would be dumb enough to try it.

[Grimlock]

We just have to wish Shenlong to turn the main cast into Namekuseijins but keeping their popular physical characteristics.

[TheUltimateNinja]

We just have to wish Shenlong to turn the main cast into Namekuseijins but keeping their popular physic characteristics.

They would lose all their power and become irrelevant fodders. Even Freeza would lament the Saiyans' weakness as he easily kills them and destroys Earth.

[ABED]

but do we really care that much about Krypton other than Superman was born there and it blew up?

Krypton? No. Planet Plant/Vegeta? Yes, I care that much.

C'mon, maybe next time they make a movie about the origins Namekuseijins and explain everything we need to know about them!

I don't care beyond what was necessary for the story and that has all come and gone.

[MR.Mark]

You could argue even more so that the origins of the Saiyans will lead to Goku. I actually don't see how it couldn't even with him not in the focus.

However those were merely TV specials whereas this is a theatrical release. It would be a financial disaster for Toei if it failed, I doubt they'll risk giving Goku a minor role.

However I could see them establishing a parallel to Goku very early on even if he isn't personally in the movie. Maybe Yamoshi sees a vision of him like Beerus and Bardock did.

However, the fact remains that Goku will be important to the story because in the end that's who people care about, nobody would come out to see a movie about Tenshinhan's origins.

Hence, the movie we are getting now. Which all we have to go on is about Saiyan origins. My point still stands.

[TheUltimateNinja]

You could argue even more so that the origins of the Saiyans will lead to Goku. I actually don't see how it couldn't even with him not in the focus.

However those were merely TV specials whereas this is a theatrical release. It would be a financial disaster for Toei if it failed, I doubt they'll risk giving Goku a minor role.

However I could see them establishing a parallel to Goku very early on even if he isn't personally in the movie. Maybe Yamoshi sees a vision of him like Beerus and Bardock did.

However, the fact remains that Goku will be important to the story because in the end that's who people care about, nobody would come out to see a movie about Tenshinhan's origins.

Hence, the movie we are getting now. Which all we have to go on is about Saiyan origins. My point still stands.

Toei will surely regret it if their protagonist turns out to be the Saiyan equivalent of Tenshinhan. If he got retconned to be a Saiyan, we still wouldn't give a damn about him.

[MR.Mark]

However those were merely TV specials whereas this is a theatrical release. It would be a financial disaster for Toei if it failed, I doubt they'll risk giving Goku a minor role.

However I could see them establishing a parallel to Goku very early on even if he isn't personally in the movie. Maybe Yamoshi sees a vision of him like Beerus and Bardock did.

However, the fact remains that Goku will be important to the story because in the end that's who people care about, nobody would come out to see a movie about Tenshinhan's origins.

Hence, the movie we are getting now. Which all we have to go on is about Saiyan origins. My point still stands.

Toei will surely regret it if their protagonist turns out to be the Saiyan equivalent of Tenshinhan. If he got retconned to be a Saiyan, we still wouldn't give a damn about him.

Will he have three eyes? your arguments are getting random now.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Hence, the movie we are getting now. Which all we have to go on is about Saiyan origins. My point still stands.

Toei will surely regret it if their protagonist turns out to be the Saiyan equivalent of Tenshinhan. If he got retconned to be a Saiyan, we still wouldn't give a damn about him.

Will he have three eyes? your arguments are getting random now.

I'm talking in terms of personality. A bumbling fool like Tenshinhan, while good for some laughs, isn't the kind of guy who can carry a movie. That's why Goku has to be in it or the protagonist has to be connected to him.

[sangofe]

Anyone knows what the production time was for Battle of Gods and Ressurection F?

[MR.Mark]

How about we find out more of the plot first cause now we're going off of could ofs, this doesn't hold any water.

Tenshinhan is a bumbling fool?

[ABED]

Tenshinhan's a supporting character. I might enjoy a Tenshinhan centric episode, but not a full movie. His earnest personality isn't DB.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Tenshinhan's a supporting character. I might enjoy a Tenshinhan centric episode, but not a full movie. His earnest personality isn't DB.

Exactly. This movie will be a total disaster if it doesn't star compelling characters and that's why they'll most likely go with the tried and tested formula.

How about we find out more of the plot first cause now we're going off of could ofs, this doesn't hold any water.

Tenshinhan is a bumbling fool?

No harm speculating.