An observation on Dragon Ball's English-speaking fanbases.

[Super Sonic]

With PR-Sentai it's different as it's an adaptation rather than a straight dub. Many characters die in PR whose Sentai counterparts don't die and vice-versa. Do you compare Romeo and Juliet to West Side Story and debate over which is better?

[Raki]

With PR-Sentai it's different as it's an adaptation rather than a straight dub. Many characters die in PR whose Sentai counterparts don't die and vice-versa. Do you compare Romeo and Juliet to West Side Story and debate over which is better?

Those are clearly different adaptations. Unlike Funi claiming that their version is Dragonball Z, when they should call it the Gen Fukanaga Show feat Chris Sabat. If they were honest about it, we wouldn't have an issue with it.

[Tsukento]

Awesome explanation there, it's just the thing that gets me mad is when people say that the original is the better tone and feel and they force it on you.

You'd be surprised how many more people there are that hear the original Japanese music in season set clips and throw a bitch fit, claiming the original music somehow doesn't fit Dragon Ball.

Don't get me wrong. It's definitely not the opinion of everyone who likes the dub music. But it's really...aggravating listening to dub viewers throwing a fit and complaining the original music "sucks" and then claim that their DBZ is the true one when in reality...it's a revision. It's a reworked show, making it different in several aspects from the original. Thus not actually making it the "true" one.

[Casual Matt]

Don't get me wrong. It's definitely not the opinion of everyone who likes the dub music. But it's really...aggravating listening to dub viewers throwing a fit and complaining the original music "sucks" and then claim that their DBZ is the true one when in reality...it's a revision. It's a reworked show, making it different in several aspects from the original. Thus not actually making it the "true" one.

I hear that.

Preferring the dub, I can understand. Not having any respect for the original material baffles me.

[Raki]

Awesome explanation there, it's just the thing that gets me mad is when people say that the original is the better tone and feel and they force it on you.

You'd be surprised how many more people there are that hear the original Japanese music in season set clips and throw a bitch fit, claiming the original music somehow doesn't fit Dragon Ball.

Don't get me wrong. It's definitely not the opinion of everyone who likes the dub music. But it's really...aggravating listening to dub viewers throwing a fit and complaining the original music "sucks" and then claim that their DBZ is the true one when in reality...it's a revision. It's a reworked show, making it different in several aspects from the original. Thus not actually making it the "true" one.

Which is why I ignore those retards, and stay off Youtube. Funimation is soley to blame for that, with them changing the music.

[Super Sonic]

Funny thing just realized is you know how people a few pages back said they didn't like how Dic and Nelvana did Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura? Thought it was interesting how it seems with Funimation, DBZ, and their other properties, while they didn't like those shows, people did like other shows made by those companies. Granted those two companies did make some good cartoons.

[SSJ2bardock]

Don't get me wrong. It's definitely not the opinion of everyone who likes the dub music. But it's really...aggravating listening to dub viewers throwing a fit and complaining the original music "sucks" and then claim that their DBZ is the true one when in reality...it's a revision. It's a reworked show, making it different in several aspects from the original. Thus not actually making it the "true" one.

I hear that.

Preferring the dub, I can understand. Not having any respect for the original material baffles me.

Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.

But this is not a perfect world, so everyone choose sides and let the battle lines be drawn!

[Vekurotto]

Exactly, if this were a perfect world both sides would respect each other's version (yes, I'm looking at you Japanese fan) and we would both live in peace.

But this is not a perfect world, so everyone choose sides and let the battle lines be drawn!

OK. I don't want to sound mean but why should fans of the original respect something that mostly disrespects the very material that it's based off of? I respect people that like the dub and the original but I think that there are too many dub fans that pick apart the original on baseless claims. Hell most of the 'fights' and sheer idiocy that have come out of the Dragon Ball fandom have come from people comparing the dub to the original and saying that the dub is superior and the original sucks when they seem to be ignoring that the dub (Ocean and Funi) is the reason why Dragon Ball will never be looked at as "real" anime or decent Ameican TV and that all of it's fans are 12 year old idiots that complain all the time.

I'm not saying that fans of the original aren't bad. But I sure as hell will say that at the very least 90% of the criticisms of the dub are valid, unlike 90% of the criticisms that dub fans say about the original.

[Kid Trunks]

OK. I don't want to sound mean but why should fans of the original respect something that mostly disrespects the very material that it's based off of?

Your right. Your entitled to disrespect the dub if thats the way you feel. But then, dubbies are entitled to disrespect the original if it causes them to feel the way they do. Whats good for one group is good for the other. And I'm not attacking or defending either group here, but merely playing devils advocate.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

OK. I don't want to sound mean but why should fans of the original respect something that mostly disrespects the very material that it's based off of?

Your right. Your entitled to disrespect the dub if thats the way you feel. But then, dubbies are entitled to disrespect the original if it causes them to feel the way they do. Whats good for one group is good for the other. And I'm not attacking or defending either group here, but merely playing devils advocate.

Advocate for the devil, eh? So you ARE defending dubbies!

[Vekurotto]

OK. I don't want to sound mean but why should fans of the original respect something that mostly disrespects the very material that it's based off of?

Your right. Your entitled to disrespect the dub if thats the way you feel. But then, dubbies are entitled to disrespect the original if it causes them to feel the way they do. Whats good for one group is good for the other. And I'm not attacking or defending either group here, but merely playing devils advocate.

But like I said Kid Trunks, a lot of the things that people criticize (note I never said 'disrespect' like you're using when talking about dub and sub fans I was talking about criticisms of either version) about the dub are factual things that you could just pop in an episode and look and see for yourself. Most of the criticism on the original comes from people blatantly saying that the dub is just infinitely superior without any claims. Do they state reasons? Not usually, or not even at all. That's the difference I feel it being made. Mostly that criticisms of the dub just plain have ground to them more often than not unlike criticisms of the original. And I'm still waiting for a strictly dub version fan that can make a Kunzait style type of argument stating why the dub is better. I think that'll be the only time that criticism of the original might actually be more valid than most of the crap that people that watch the original have to go through.

[SSJ2bardock]

OK. I don't want to sound mean but why should fans of the original respect something that mostly disrespects the very material that it's based off of?

I'm not saying you have to respect what Funimation did with the dub, in fact I encourage you to have a strong opinion on it, I'm simply saying you should respect the fact that some people enjoy the dub over the original.

(Just for the record, I have no preference in this matter, although if I had to choose I would go with Funi cast with Japanese BGM)

And I'm still waiting for a strictly dub version fan that can make a Kunzait style type of argument stating why the dub is better. I think that'll be the only time that criticism of the original might actually be more valid than most of the crap that people that watch the original have to go through.

I can't see that ever happening because although I'd like to play devil's advocate here and try to take you up on that challenge, quite frankly I can't because the dub isn't better. There, I said it. It still doesn't change my preference though.

[Super Sonic]

Also, Kunzait's gotta be in his 30s or so, and he can go into big debates as such with more experience. Also I'm 25 going on 26, so zi'm too old to care, thus why I won't.

[Kid Trunks]

But like I said Kid Trunks, a lot of the things that people criticize (note I never said 'disrespect' like you're using when talking about dub and sub fans I was talking about criticisms of either version) about the dub are factual things that you could just pop in an episode and look and see for yourself. Most of the criticism on the original comes from people blatantly saying that the dub is just infinitely superior without any claims. Do they state reasons? Not usually, or not even at all. That's the difference I feel it being made. Mostly that criticisms of the dub just plain have ground to them more often than not unlike criticisms of the original. And I'm still waiting for a strictly dub version fan that can make a Kunzait style type of argument stating why the dub is better. I think that'll be the only time that criticism of the original might actually be more valid than most of the crap that people that watch the original have to go through.

Ok. Not disrespect then. Dislike. Hate. Or whatever. I don't know. The point is it can go both ways. Your entitled to feel [blank space] about the dub. And dubbies are entitled to feel that way about the original. Because believing one version to be better than the other doesn't make it so. It makes it so to you. Or to me. But no matter how much evidence we can stake up in favor of one side, its only what we believe to be conclusive. Original fans may argue its better because the music sets the right tone. And dubbies could argue that Faulconers music does exactly that as well. Neither side is wrong. Because beauty is in the eye of the beholder (plz nobody give me shit over that line:/). Both sides should accept that neither one side nor the other is bullshit. Its just something they just don't get. And even though one side may have a larger following, it means only that. It has a larger following. It just happens that most people think that whatever they don't like is bullshit.

[Vekurotto]

I'm not saying you have to respect what Funimation did with the dub, in fact I encourage you to have a strong opinion on it, I'm simply saying you should respect the fact that some people enjoy the dub over the original.

Hey man that doesn't bother me. I respect that, it's more of the "I like the dub, the Japanese version sucks and Funi is superior even though all I can say to back that up is that Goku sounds like a girl and that the music sounds like it's from the 1600s and sucks too. So let me go watch Naruto and One Piece which have the very things I'm criticizing and I'm gonna criticize those dubs even though Dragon Ball Z is way worse" type of people. Or better yet when somebody comments on how the dub changed something and then a random guy just says something like, "Well Goku sounds like a guy in the English version." and doesn't even talk about the material that you have presented an argument about or try to validly defend the dub. Or those guys that exclusively watch the dub try to randomly pwn like how Xyex mentioned a while ago. I don't like or want to try to respect those type of people because quite frankly, I think they're idiots.

They just make themselves look really stupid which in turn makes all of the Dragon Ball fans look stupid even if they're respectable people like everyone on this board.

Also, Kunzait's gotta be in his 30s or so, and he can go into big debates as such with more experience. Also I'm 25 going on 26, so zi'm too old to care, thus why I won't.

The age of the poster doesn't matter quite frankly. And it's not hard to make an argument in defense of something. You post what you think is wrong with the attacking post and back it up with some pretty hard evidence. That's what I don't see a lot of those exclusively Funi dub watchers doing at all.

[Raki]

Also, Kunzait's gotta be in his 30s or so, and he can go into big debates as such with more experience. Also I'm 25 going on 26, so zi'm too old to care, thus why I won't.

Kunzait has stated he is in his 20's.

[SSJ2bardock]

I'm not saying you have to respect what Funimation did with the dub, in fact I encourage you to have a strong opinion on it, I'm simply saying you should respect the fact that some people enjoy the dub over the original.

when somebody comments on how the dub changed something and then a random guy just says something like, "Well Goku sounds like a guy in the English version." and doesn't even talk about the material that you have presented an argument about or try to validly defend the dub. Or those guys that exclusively watch the dub try to randomly pwn like how Xyex mentioned a while ago. I don't like or want to try to respect those type of people because quite frankly, I think they're idiots.

They just make themselves look really stupid which in turn makes all of the Dragon Ball fans look stupid even if they're respectable people like everyone on this board.

Now this is something we can agree on, I hate the way those kinds of people make respectable dub fans, such as the ones here, look and how that in turn gives all Dragonball fans a bad rep.

[Chrono Trigger]

Vekurotto said : The age of the poster doesn't matter quite frankly. And it's not hard to make an argument in defense of something. You post what you think is wrong with the attacking post and back it up with some pretty hard evidence. That's what I don't see a lot of those exclusively Funi dub watchers doing at all.

Probably because coming here and trying something like that would be a suicide mission. I've seen people say something positive about the dub and then immediately say "Not that I'm defending the dub or anything, I stopped watching it years ago." because apparently around here it's barely ok to like the dub. It just seems like some people are way to condescending towards people that do like dub. At least that's how I feel.

[SSJ2bardock]

Vekurotto said : The age of the poster doesn't matter quite frankly. And it's not hard to make an argument in defense of something. You post what you think is wrong with the attacking post and back it up with some pretty hard evidence. That's what I don't see a lot of those exclusively Funi dub watchers doing at all.

Probably because coming here and trying something like that would be a suicide mission. I've seen people say something positive about the dub and then immediately say "Not that I'm defending the dub or anything, I stopped watching it years ago." because apparently around here it's barely ok to like the dub. It just seems like some people are way to condescending towards people that do like dub. At least that's how I feel.

It does seem that way at times...

[VegettoEX]

Where on Earth are people getting the idea that the dub-lovers are in the minority and have to defend themselves?

Quite frankly, against everything I do with the site and gear towards and blah blah blah, the overwhelming audience of this website and forum are dub-only-viewers, and they are the vocal majority.