Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

I think the situation is precisely that Goku can turn godly ki on when he becomes a SSGSS. What happened against Beerus is when Super Saiyan God disappeared Goku still had the power donated by Vegeta and company in the process. So much so the very Vegeta complained why Goku lost if he had "his" power, right? Therefore, it makes sense to everyone to be surprised by the fact that Goku and Vegeta are at the level of a God without the help of other Saiyans.

[apex_pretador]

I don't understand the logic some people use regarding the whole idea that Goku can choose to "turn on/off" his god ki.. It seems completely illogical and goes against all logic and evidence the movies and Super has shown. When Goku lost his God Form in Super it was stated by Beerus that "regular" ssj Goku didn't decrease AT ALL. So SSJ Post = SSJ God. There's no other option. Then we have Feats and Statements that put Base Goku and Vegeta at least close to the level of Super Saiyan God.. So Goku can't turn it completely off. That sounds illogical and goes against all logic.
I'd rather they just go with the whole. i used only 1% of my God Ki against the u6 fighters (or whoever he fights that's supposively weak)

and SS BoG had ZERO god ki, as beerus said.

Neither did goku/vegeta "SBG" as it is called , have god ki. So, it is obvious that

[Khin]

I still think
Beerus=Champa
Whis=Vados
and I would have Piccolo above Assault and just below final form Frost because the way Piccolo was speaking he seemed like he could take Assualt form easily and was trying to get an advantage by having Frost go down a transformation.

• Vados stated that Beerus is stronger than Champa.Champa's reaction confirms it more.
• Vados states that he is slightly stronger than Whis.He objects then Vados challenges him.Whis doesn't respond.
• No.Piccolo asking Frost to power down doesn't mean he's stronger than his Assault Form.And Frost isn't that idiot.It could only be that Piccolo wants to fight a bit so that he can have some fun rather going straight with the Makankossapo.

Frost is an ant compared to SSGOKU.
The difference between them could be massive like 1/5 or 1/10.
With just several punchs, frost is exhausted, Goku isn't even serious.
If Vegeta destroy Frost in Base, the gap will be huge.
And i don't understand why some people think base mode exceed 2, that's not at all what DBSUPER say....

The différence between base and SS is huge.
It's still a fucking MULTIPLIER, there is NO WAY that it's now DIFFERENT.
I still don't see base Goku stronger than 10% of Beerus.

Vegeta got ragdolled by Recoome with a 30% gap,Vegeta got shitstomped by Kaiokenx3 Goku with the same gap.Beerus got one shotted by Whis with a 50% gap.I can add more.You don't need 2x or whatever gap to roflstomp anyone.

[namekiansaiyan]

I still think
Beerus=Champa
Whis=Vados
and I would have Piccolo above Assault and just below final form Frost because the way Piccolo was speaking he seemed like he could take Assualt form easily and was trying to get an advantage by having Frost go down a transformation.

• Vados stated that Beerus is stronger than Champa.Champa's reaction confirms it more.
• Vados states that he is slightly stronger than Whis.He objects then Vados challenges him.Whis doesn't respond.
• No.Piccolo asking Frost to power down doesn't mean he's stronger than his Assault Form.And Frost isn't that idiot.It could only be that Piccolo wants to fight a bit so that he can have some fun rather going straight with the Makankossapo.

I think the manga fight between Piccolo amd Frost shows that are close and Piccolo was not in trouble in the manga or anime. If frost was that tired which I don't think he was, then surely his tired final form will still be more powerful than his assault form as the difference between assault and final form should be huge.

[ssbgoku]

I still think
Beerus=Champa
Whis=Vados
and I would have Piccolo above Assault and just below final form Frost because the way Piccolo was speaking he seemed like he could take Assualt form easily and was trying to get an advantage by having Frost go down a transformation.

• Vados stated that Beerus is stronger than Champa.Champa's reaction confirms it more.
• Vados states that he is slightly stronger than Whis.He objects then Vados challenges him.Whis doesn't respond.
• No.Piccolo asking Frost to power down doesn't mean he's stronger than his Assault Form.And Frost isn't that idiot.It could only be that Piccolo wants to fight a bit so that he can have some fun rather going straight with the Makankossapo.

I think the manga fight between Piccolo amd Frost shows that are close and Piccolo was not in trouble in the manga or anime. If frost was that tired which I don't think he was, then surely his tired final form will still be more powerful than his assault form as the difference between assault and final form should be huge.

Yes, but he can be easily at least four times weaker then final form frost, as his special beam cannon multiply his power level x4 to when attacking.

The most powerfull scenario for Piccolo(Special beam cannon pl x4) :

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/4) - 1.7

The most likely scenario(Special beam cannon pl x8):

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/8) - 0.85 (just a two or three times stronger then rage vegeta which is stronger a bit then ssj3 goku seems quite ok)

Still I am sticking to Frost holding back or being heavily beaten up or both of these and Piccolo using special beam cannon which at least multiply his power level to make it four times stronger.

Also from the Preview we know Vados adjusted/improved barrier around fighting area so now it depends on vegeta going ssj against frost or fighting him in base to meassure hower powerfull would be special beam cannon used by Piccolo. I lean towards just a little below base of goku and vegeta.

[ShinTenshin]

Base Goku stronger than BOG SSGOD ?
He is much much much weaker.
Kaio says Goku has the power of SSGOD only when he goes SSBLUE.
It's confirmed that Golden frieza is several times stronger than final form, it's the same with SS, a MULTIPLIER.

There is no way SS add just 1 point (beerus scale).
Base Goku is way overrated.
At best i see base be just a little stronger than SS3 tier, same for Frost.

Like this :
Goku Base 0,75
Frost 1
Frost Exhausted/Piccolo 0,30/0,20
Goku SS 4,5
Goku SSGODSS 9 (or more).

[namekiansaiyan]

Yes, but he can be easily at least four times weaker then final form frost, as his special beam cannon multiply his power level x4 to when attacking.

The most powerfull scenario for Piccolo(Special beam cannon pl x4) :

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/4) - 1.7

The most likely scenario(Special beam cannon pl x8):

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/8) - 0.85 (just a two or three times stronger then rage vegeta which is stronger a bit then ssj3 goku seems quite ok)

Still I am sticking to Frost holding back or being heavily beaten up or both of these and Piccolo using special beam cannon which at least multiply his power level to make it four times stronger.

Also from the Preview we know Vados adjusted/improved barrier around fighting area so now it depends on vegeta going ssj against frost or fighting him in base to meassure hower powerfull would be special beam cannon used by Piccolo. I lean towards just a little below base of goku and vegeta.

You are just guesing with the Special Beam Cannon multiplier. Look at everything from the manga and anime outside the Special Beam Cannon it shows them even. Then the Special Beam Cannon increases way further and that is why it will knock out Frost. If the Special Beam Cannon was equal to frost it would not knock him out.

So final form Frost and Piccolo are close and the Special Beam Cannon is a lot higher and it would probably damage even Beerus and Champa a lot going on Champa's reaction to it destroying the dome. Even is you say Champa's blast was not near his full potential it did not even scratch the dome whereas the Special Beam Cannon destroyed the dome. So I think you are putting Piccolo too low. How can someone at 1.7 charge an attack and block with 1 hand against a 6.8?

So I have:

Whis and Vados 15
Beerus, Champa and Special Beam Cannon 10
Monaka 9
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta = 8
Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta 7
Final form Frost and Piccolo 6
Botamo 5

[ssbgoku]

Yes, but he can be easily at least four times weaker then final form frost, as his special beam cannon multiply his power level x4 to when attacking.

The most powerfull scenario for Piccolo(Special beam cannon pl x4) :

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/4) - 1.7

The most likely scenario(Special beam cannon pl x8):

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/8) - 0.85 (just a two or three times stronger then rage vegeta which is stronger a bit then ssj3 goku seems quite ok)

Still I am sticking to Frost holding back or being heavily beaten up or both of these and Piccolo using special beam cannon which at least multiply his power level to make it four times stronger.

Also from the Preview we know Vados adjusted/improved barrier around fighting area so now it depends on vegeta going ssj against frost or fighting him in base to meassure hower powerfull would be special beam cannon used by Piccolo. I lean towards just a little below base of goku and vegeta.

You are just guesing with the Special Beam Cannon multiplier. Look at everything from the manga and anime outside the Special Beam Cannon it shows them even. Then the Special Beam Cannon increases way further and that is why it will knock out Frost. If the Special Beam Cannon was equal to frost it would not knock him out.

So final form Frost and Piccolo are close and the Special Beam Cannon is a lot higher and it would probably damage even Beerus and Champa a lot going on Champa's reaction to it destroying the dome. Even is you say Champa's blast was not near his full potential it did not even scratch the dome whereas the Special Beam Cannon destroyed the dome. So I think you are putting Piccolo too low. How can someone at 1.7 charge an attack and block with 1 hand against a 6.8?

So I have:

Whis and Vados 15
Beerus, Champa and Special Beam Cannon 10
Monaka 9
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta = 8
Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta 7
Final form Frost and Piccolo 6
Botamo 5

Ok. There are few reasons for that:

1) The title of the episode is Bet Everything on special beam cannon which suggest that is last chance attack which it can be only a bit above, equal or a bit weaker then opponent. Now if Piccolo was really close to Final form frost then he would still damage him and wear him down without need to keep dodging, using multiplication to just buy himself time and strike Frost.

2) Frost was smilling and playing around with no aura. You may dismiss it as art difference, but Frost seems to playing Piccolo with strategy vs strategy because he doesn't want o tire himself out for nothing.

3) The only scene suggesting Piccolo can be close to Frost would be blocking few punches with one hand while still trying to get away(exactly Piccolo was backing away, so Frost would barerly makes contact while hitting). If he was really so close he would just stay in place and keep blocking while charging beam.

4) Neither whis, beerus, goku or vegeta was impressed by Special beam cannon piercing through barrier. Hell even vados is not winded by it. The reaction of champa shows only his suprise and disbelief that not gods could be able to do what he did at the very low level (1-6).

5) In the next episode the barrier will be improved/adjusted so neither vegeta or frost can destroy/pierce it. Which means at least Piccolo's special beam cannon is below ssj level

ssj goku/vegeta - 7
special beam cannon - 6.5 (at the max)
Piccolo - 1.625 (6.5/4)

or

ssj goku/vegeta - 7
special beam cannon - 6.5
Piccolo - 0.8125 (6.5/8)

6) Beerus does not comment about Piccolo getting much stronger, instead admiting he may improved a bit but appreciating Piccolo using this strategy and charging power full beam.

7) Special beam cannon multiplier is fact, wether you like it or not. 4 multiplier is the least , because it could be even 8. If your power level list was correct then we have.

Piccolo's special beam cannon - 24 (6x4)
Picoolo - 6

^^ Really then he can one shot vados and whis with it at the same time
Disbunk and prove all the point above wrong and I admit you are right.

[namekiansaiyan]

Yes, but he can be easily at least four times weaker then final form frost, as his special beam cannon multiply his power level x4 to when attacking.

The most powerfull scenario for Piccolo(Special beam cannon pl x4) :

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/4) - 1.7

The most likely scenario(Special beam cannon pl x8):

Final from frost/Piccolo's special beam cannon - 6.8
base goku - 6.5
Piccolo - (6.8/8) - 0.85 (just a two or three times stronger then rage vegeta which is stronger a bit then ssj3 goku seems quite ok)

Still I am sticking to Frost holding back or being heavily beaten up or both of these and Piccolo using special beam cannon which at least multiply his power level to make it four times stronger.

Also from the Preview we know Vados adjusted/improved barrier around fighting area so now it depends on vegeta going ssj against frost or fighting him in base to meassure hower powerfull would be special beam cannon used by Piccolo. I lean towards just a little below base of goku and vegeta.

You are just guesing with the Special Beam Cannon multiplier. Look at everything from the manga and anime outside the Special Beam Cannon it shows them even. Then the Special Beam Cannon increases way further and that is why it will knock out Frost. If the Special Beam Cannon was equal to frost it would not knock him out.

So final form Frost and Piccolo are close and the Special Beam Cannon is a lot higher and it would probably damage even Beerus and Champa a lot going on Champa's reaction to it destroying the dome. Even is you say Champa's blast was not near his full potential it did not even scratch the dome whereas the Special Beam Cannon destroyed the dome. So I think you are putting Piccolo too low. How can someone at 1.7 charge an attack and block with 1 hand against a 6.8?

So I have:

Whis and Vados 15
Beerus, Champa and Special Beam Cannon 10
Monaka 9
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta = 8
Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta 7
Final form Frost and Piccolo 6
Botamo 5

Ok. There are few reasons for that:

1) The title of the episode is Bet Everything on special beam cannon which suggest that is last chance attack which it can be only a bit above, equal or a bit weaker then opponent. Now if Piccolo was really close to Final form frost then he would still damage him and wear him down without need to keep dodging, using multiplication to just buy himself time and strike Frost.

2) Frost was smilling and playing around with no aura. You may dismiss it as art difference, but Frost seems to playing Piccolo with strategy vs strategy because he doesn't want o tire himself out for nothing.

3) The only scene suggesting Piccolo can be close to Frost would be blocking few punches with one hand while still trying to get away(exactly Piccolo was backing away, so Frost would barerly makes contact while hitting). If he was really so close he would just stay in place and keep blocking while charging beam.

4) Neither whis, beerus, goku or vegeta was impressed by Special beam cannon piercing through barrier. Hell even vados is not winded by it. The reaction of champa shows only his suprise and disbelief that not gods could be able to do what he did at the very low level (1-6).

5) In the next episode the barrier will be improved/adjusted so neither vegeta or frost can destroy/pierce it. Which means at least Piccolo's special beam cannon is below ssj level

ssj goku/vegeta - 7
special beam cannon - 6.5 (at the max)
Piccolo - 1.625 (6.5/4)

or

ssj goku/vegeta - 7
special beam cannon - 6.5
Piccolo - 0.8125 (6.5/8)

6) Beerus does not comment about Piccolo getting much stronger, instead admiting he may improved a bit but appreciating Piccolo using this strategy and charging power full beam.

7) Special beam cannon multiplier is fact, wether you like it or not. 4 multiplier is the least , because it could be even 8. If your power level list was correct then we have.

Piccolo's special beam cannon - 24 (6x4)
Picoolo - 6

^^ Really then he can one shot vados and whis with it at the same time
Disbunk and prove all the point above wrong and I admit you are right.

You can't use the multiplier when scaling power levels like we are unless you say 0.1 difference is a huge difference in power. You can't use the title of an episode as evidence. Frost was worried and threatened in both versions . He cheated because he could not win in both versions. This is another case of 2 people looking at everything in a different way.

[ShinTenshin]

Piccolo fight in front of Frost ONLY when he is completely exhausted.
He wait at distance (coward style) and goes on the ring after Frost is dead.
I'm waiting for the english translation (available) for everybody, it will be clear that Piccolo has absolutely ZERO chance against 100% Frost.

[ssbgoku]

You can't use the multiplier when scaling power levels like we are unless you say 0.1 difference is a huge difference in power. You can't use the title of an episode as evidence. Frost was worried and threatened in both versions . He cheated because he could not win in both versions. This is another case of 2 people looking at everything in a different way.

Then the multiplier would get smaller then 0.1 difference is huge difference in power. You are right, but everything in episode shows title hinting what will hapen is right.
What ?!, please show me scan/screenshoot where frost was worried, not less threatened. He cheated because he didn't want to loose good guy fascade as he promised Piccolo he wouldn't get enough power to kill him, also going easy way is always the best, especially if you plan to save stamina. Of course, everyone has different opinion which depends from point of view. Still you didn't address all my points.

1) Piccolo's special beam cannon must be at the least below ssj goku/vegeta (maybe below base, if vegeta fights and beats frost in base in next episode)
2) The charging of special beam cannon would be pointless unless it could gives huge power difference.so at very last double times Piccolo's pl.

Piccolo fight in front of Frost ONLY when he is completely exhausted.
He wait at distance (coward style) and goes on the ring after Frost is dead.
I'm waiting for the english translation (available) for everybody, it will be clear that Piccolo has absolutely ZERO chance against 100% Frost.

Well I think same like you. Frost was either holding back or was exhausted and needed time to regain some stamina.
Well it may be coward style, but the all strategies and fighting styles are all allowed. I partially agree with your last statement.

I mean Frost doesn't need to be at 100% too, so we have to wait and see if vegeta beat frost using ssj or in base and any comment about Piccolo or Frost. Also if barier got improved to withstand more powerfull attacks.

[TheMikado]

Piccolo fight in front of Frost ONLY when he is completely exhausted.
He wait at distance (coward style) and goes on the ring after Frost is dead.
I'm waiting for the english translation (available) for everybody, it will be clear that Piccolo has absolutely ZERO chance against 100% Frost.

As it should be. In the Anime, either Goku was incredibly weaker or Piccolo was incredibly stronger. At least this ATTEMPTS to bring consistency to their power levels. Right now it looks like the writers and animators of super don't even bother to watch the preceding episodes.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo fight in front of Frost ONLY when he is completely exhausted.
He wait at distance (coward style) and goes on the ring after Frost is dead.
I'm waiting for the english translation (available) for everybody, it will be clear that Piccolo has absolutely ZERO chance against 100% Frost.

As it should be. In the Anime, either Goku was incredibly weaker or Piccolo was incredibly stronger. At least this ATTEMPTS to bring consistency to their power levels. Right now it looks like the writers and animators of super don't even bother to watch the preceding episodes.

Piccolo got stronger due to training with Gohan that is a simple explanation.

[generalred3]

Piccolo fight in front of Frost ONLY when he is completely exhausted.
He wait at distance (coward style) and goes on the ring after Frost is dead.
I'm waiting for the english translation (available) for everybody, it will be clear that Piccolo has absolutely ZERO chance against 100% Frost.

As it should be. In the Anime, either Goku was incredibly weaker or Piccolo was incredibly stronger. At least this ATTEMPTS to bring consistency to their power levels. Right now it looks like the writers and animators of super don't even bother to watch the preceding episodes.

Piccolo got stronger due to training with Gohan that is a simple explanation.

Agreed, Piccolo definitely got stronger with training with Gohan. But Piccolo did not get strong enough to be on par with Goku and Vegeta who have trained with Whis AND spent 3 years training together. That just doesn't add up.

[ssbgoku]

Changing topic a bit, Can anyone tell me if I got it wrong and if yes then why. I would greatly appreciate that. I have argument with someone about it so I would like to know what people think.

ssj3 goku being most likely on par with/or close to buu arc ultimate gohan got one shot by beerus.
He later stated he doubts fusion would work and he is talking about buu arc ssj vegito. There is no way ssj vegito is weaker then that heavily suprassed beerus as vegito can easily do the same to one shot ssj3 goku.

Later when vegeta snaps and uses rage boost attacking beerus then Master Roshi comments that Vegeta finally exceed goku. Rage vegeta boost would be buutenks tier or a just below buuhan tier.
Beerus used 10% to one shot rage vegeta(I don't care if he lie or no, because he can they assume he always lie whatever he says).

It is just same with Namek saga goku one shooting recoome. The gap was somehow x2 or a bit above let's say x2.5

At the most beerus 10% would be fives times stronger then rage vegeta boost. Super vegito would be at least 3 times more powerfull then buuhan. Using this we can assumes:

ssg goku - 6
bog arc ssj3 vegito - 5.6 (ssj2 x 4)
buu arc ssj3 vegito - 4.8 (ssj2 x 4)
bog arc ssj2 vegito - 1.4 (ssj x2)
buu arc ssj2 vegito - 1.2 (ssj x2)
10% beerus - 1
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.6
rage vegeta - 0.2

It would clearly work, considering Akira stated beerus suprassed ssj vegito as he was still deal somehow. Also we will never know if ssj3 or even ssj2 vegito could happen or potara may have limit on how much power you can get. At the very last I see ssj3 vegito bog arc at 4.8

Beerus is still much above.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo got stronger due to training with Gohan that is a simple explanation.

Agreed, Piccolo definitely got stronger with training with Gohan. But Piccolo did not get strong enough to be on par with Goku and Vegeta who have trained with Whis AND spent 3 years training together. That just doesn't add up.

I am just saying he is stronger than base Goku and Vegeta not any other forms I know it can be hard believe but it seems the only logical way he can compete orherwise. I have base Goku and Vegeta about half way between final form Frieza and Golden Frieza.

[apex_pretador]

Changing topic a bit, Can anyone tell me if I got it wrong and if yes then why. I would greatly appreciate that. I have argument with someone about it so I would like to know what people think.

OK

ssj3 goku being most likely on par with/or close to buu arc ultimate gohan got one shot by beerus.

Probably stronger than gohan & gotenks.

He later stated he doubts fusion would work and he is talking about buu arc ssj vegito. There is no way ssj vegito is weaker then that heavily suprassed beerus as vegito can easily do the same to one shot ssj3 goku.

But he says he doubts, not exactly flat-out denies, implying that heavily suppressed beerus ~= Vegetto
Also, goku will be able to gauge the power of suppressed beerus without sensing his power, by taking hits, like krillin & suppressed PC.

Later when vegeta snaps and uses rage boost attacking beerus then Master Roshi comments that Vegeta finally exceed goku.

He did

Rage vegeta boost would be buutenks tier or a just below buuhan tier.

Why so? why can't he be higher? Like stronger than buuhan?

Beerus used 10% to one shot rage vegeta(I don't care if he lie or no, because he can they assume he always lie whatever he says).

I think the exact quote was "I haven't used anywhere near 10% in a long time."
He may have used 10% after the fight; or hell , he may not even be at 10%

It is just same with Namek saga goku one shooting recoome. The gap was somehow x2 or a bit above let's say x2.5

It could be like 50% freeza one-shotting piccolo at 40x gap, or buutenks one-shotting tien at god knows how much the gap.(probably thousands of times)
Unless you take a minimalistic route, you can't be sure.

At the most beerus 10% would be fives times stronger then rage vegeta boost. Super vegito would be at least 3 times more powerfull then buuhan. Using this we can assumes:

AT MOST? is there anything that limits 10% beerus' power?

ssg goku - 6
bog arc ssj3 vegito - 5.6 (ssj2 x 4)
buu arc ssj3 vegito - 4.8 (ssj2 x 4)
bog arc ssj2 vegito - 1.4 (ssj x2)
buu arc ssj2 vegito - 1.2 (ssj x2)
10% beerus - 1
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.6
rage vegeta - 0.2

It would clearly work, considering Akira stated beerus suprassed ssj vegito as he was still deal somehow. Also we will never know if ssj3 or even ssj2 vegito could happen or potara may have limit on how much power you can get. At the very last I see ssj3 vegito bog arc at 4.8

Beerus is still much above.

What about heavily suppressed beerus goku fought?

[ssbgoku]

Probably stronger than gohan & gotenks.

^^ I agree

But he says he doubts, not exactly flat-out denies, implying that heavily suppressed beerus ~= Vegetto
Also, goku will be able to gauge the power of suppressed beerus without sensing his power, by taking hits, like krillin & suppressed PC.

I agree

Why so? why can't he be higher? Like stronger than buuhan?

I doubt as buutenks would be at least x2 ultimate gohan and buuhan would be x4 ultimate gohan and that is being at LEAST.

He may have used 10% after the fight; or hell , he may not even be at 10%

well it happened in anime so I will use it as fact.

It could be like 50% freeza one-shotting piccolo at 40x gap, or buutenks one-shotting tien at god knows how much the gap.(probably thousands of times)
Unless you take a minimalistic route, you can't be sure.

^^ true, but I wanted to show that x2 gap would be enough easily.

AT MOST? is there anything that limits 10% beerus' power?

^^ ok, lets's say 10 times stronger, which makes rage vegeta 1%. he can not be less as beerus would kill him even holding back. Well five times is overkill so I am not sure if 10 times stronger can not kill by accident.

ssg goku - 6
bog arc ssj3 vegito - 5.6 (ssj2 x 4)
buu arc ssj3 vegito - 4.8 (ssj2 x 4)
bog arc ssj2 vegito - 1.4 (ssj x2)
buu arc ssj2 vegito - 1.2 (ssj x2)
10% beerus - 1
bog arc ssj vegito - 0.7
buu arc ssj vegito - 0.6
rage vegeta - 0.2

What about heavily suppressed beerus goku fought?

^^ well he would be below rage vegeta so 1% or even less. x2 gap is big as I stated. Anyway bog ssj3 vegito would be not lower then 4.8, I just can not see it less. However all we know Vegito may be incapable of reaching ssj3 for some reasons then ssj2 vegito being around 10% of beerus or barerly above would fit it.

[generalred3]

Piccolo got stronger due to training with Gohan that is a simple explanation.

Agreed, Piccolo definitely got stronger with training with Gohan. But Piccolo did not get strong enough to be on par with Goku and Vegeta who have trained with Whis AND spent 3 years training together. That just doesn't add up.

I am just saying he is stronger than base Goku and Vegeta not any other forms I know it can be hard believe but it seems the only logical way he can compete orherwise. I have base Goku and Vegeta about half way between final form Frieza and Golden Frieza.

A couple months of training with Gohan in mountains does not equal training with Whis and 3 YEARS of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Obviously you are free to believe what you will and I am not saying you are wrong. However I find it extremely unlikely he is anywhere near base Goku and Vegeta. But you seem to be pretty convinced based on a lot of posts I saw in several threads from you so fair enough. I will absolutely atleast agree that Piccolo is an awesome character and I wish got more screen time though!

[apex_pretador]

apex_pretador wrote:
He may have used 10% after the fight; or hell , he may not even be at 10%

well it happened in anime so I will use it as fact.

As I said, the quote says "I haven't used anywhere near 10% of my power in a long time"

I doubt as buutenks would be at least x2 ultimate gohan and buuhan would be x4 ultimate gohan and that is being at LEAST.

Don't you think it is too much? Buuhan will be less than 2x gohan, as it is piccolo-buu + gohan , and piccolo-buu is weaker than gohan