Totamo wrote:
The last time I can honestly say I liked the one piece anime was when Zoro cut Pica in half that was episode 719, the episode airing this weekend is 810.
There is a reason why Naruto was more popular internationally and it is strictly the anime.
It makes you think if adding filler episode/arcs in the end is preferable to stretching out the main plot. I don't watch OP but I know many that do, and it seems that barely anything gets to happen in one episode. Honestly speaking, I think there are some really good filler arcs out there (OP apparently has one of them, ironically) and I think I'd rather have a season per year or a longer, well-made filler arc than a horribly slowed down main story.
Edit: Is there any way of knowing how well DBS is doing internationally? I mean the world wide streaming on Crunchyroll and Daisuki should indicate that there was quite the demand for it, but do we have numbers?
I'm not about how well the show has performed in other countries though.
While we don't have exact viewing numbers on Crunchyroll we do know it's popular. It's the top listed show on Crunchyroll. Which shows it's definitely getting the streaming numbers. And this is only on Crunchyroll that doesn't take into account Funimation and Daisuki which also streams it.
That being said I am not really sure how Crunchyroll lists most popular shows and if it is listed by top viewership or something else but it's definitely popular. For reference currently the top 10 most popular shows are
1) Dragon Ball Super
2) One Piece
3) Food Wars
4) Black Clover
5) My Hero Academia
6) Naruto Shippuden
7) Juni Taisen
8 ) Boruto
9) Blood Blockade Battle front
10) Gintama
It makes you think if adding filler episode/arcs in the end is preferable to stretching out the main plot. I don't watch OP but I know many that do, and it seems that barely anything gets to happen in one episode. Honestly speaking, I think there are some really good filler arcs out there (OP apparently has one of them, ironically) and I think I'd rather have a season per year or a longer, well-made filler arc than a horribly slowed down main story.
Edit: Is there any way of knowing how well DBS is doing internationally? I mean the world wide streaming on Crunchyroll and Daisuki should indicate that there was quite the demand for it, but do we have numbers?
I'm not about how well the show has performed in other countries though.
While we don't have exact viewing numbers on Crunchyroll we do know it's popular. It's the top listed show on Crunchyroll. Which shows it's definitely getting the streaming numbers. And this is only on Crunchyroll that doesn't take into account Funimation and Daisuki which also streams it.
That being said I am not really sure how Crunchyroll lists most popular shows and if it is listed by top viewership or something else but it's definitely popular. For reference currently the top 10 most popular shows are
1) Dragon Ball Super
2) One Piece
3) Food Wars
4) Black Clover
5) My Hero Academia
6) Naruto Shippuden
7) Juni Taisen
8 ) Boruto
9) Blood Blockade Battle front
10) Gintama
That's good to know. I know that DVD sales (as well as manga volume sales) haven't been stellar so I hoped the international numbers might help. I've seen a clip once showing that anime as a whole is slowly becoming what could be considered main stream on a global sales, and the increase in viewership over at Crunchyroll, as well as the interest of Netflix and Amazom, seems to support that.
Michsi wrote:
That's good to know. I know that DVD sales (as well as manga volume sales) haven't been stellar so I hoped the international numbers might help. I've seen a clip once showing that anime as a whole is slowly becoming what could be considered main stream on a global sales, and the increase in viewership over at Crunchyroll, as well as the interest of Netflix and Amazom, seems to support that.
In the US home video sales for Super seem really strong. I am not sure about the manga sales in Japan but the low DVD/BR sales are not really any indication of the health of the series. They are pretty typical for a long running series aimed at kids. Those tend to not do well in home video sales. Super is in the top 10 in ratings so I would say it's doing pretty well in Japan and merchandise sales are apparently strong (though not sure how moving the Sentai shows to compete against One Piece and Super will affect ratings).
In the US Super BR/DVD No 2 is at No 4 in Anime sales on Amazon (and technically it's in 3rd place because for some reason Amazon is listing the live action Beauty and the Beast film as anime not sure why).
Michsi wrote:
That's good to know. I know that DVD sales (as well as manga volume sales) haven't been stellar so I hoped the international numbers might help. I've seen a clip once showing that anime as a whole is slowly becoming what could be considered main stream on a global sales, and the increase in viewership over at Crunchyroll, as well as the interest of Netflix and Amazom, seems to support that.
In the US home video sales for Super seem really strong. I am not sure about the manga sales in Japan but the low DVD/BR sales are not really any indication of the health of the series. They are pretty typical for a long running series aimed at kids. Those tend to not do well in home video sales. Super is in the top 10 in ratings so I would say it's doing pretty well in Japan and merchandise sales are apparently strong (though not sure how moving the Sentai shows to compete against One Piece and Super will affect ratings).
In the US Super BR/DVD No 2 is at No 4 in Anime sales on Amazon (and technically it's in 3rd place because for some reason Amazon is listing the live action Beauty and the Beast film as anime not sure why).
Here are the sales for each volume (As of June 2016):
Dragon Ball Super Volume 1 - 310,005
Dragon Ball Super Volume 2 - 284,337
Dragon Ball Super Volume 3 - 236,720
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Michsi wrote:
That's good to know. I know that DVD sales (as well as manga volume sales) haven't been stellar so I hoped the international numbers might help. I've seen a clip once showing that anime as a whole is slowly becoming what could be considered main stream on a global sales, and the increase in viewership over at Crunchyroll, as well as the interest of Netflix and Amazom, seems to support that.
In the US home video sales for Super seem really strong. I am not sure about the manga sales in Japan but the low DVD/BR sales are not really any indication of the health of the series. They are pretty typical for a long running series aimed at kids. Those tend to not do well in home video sales. Super is in the top 10 in ratings so I would say it's doing pretty well in Japan and merchandise sales are apparently strong (though not sure how moving the Sentai shows to compete against One Piece and Super will affect ratings).
In the US Super BR/DVD No 2 is at No 4 in Anime sales on Amazon (and technically it's in 3rd place because for some reason Amazon is listing the live action Beauty and the Beast film as anime not sure why).
Here are the sales for each volume (As of June 2016):
Dragon Ball Super Volume 1 - 310,005
Dragon Ball Super Volume 2 - 284,337
Dragon Ball Super Volume 3 - 236,720
Thanks for that info while the manga is not as high as Dragon ball/Z was in its heydey of course it's still doing very well and I expect will rank at the end of the year too.
There are many factors to measure success but for all accounts and purpose I think Super is doing just fine, in fact even better than fine.
Michsi wrote:Those don't seem bad, but not what I'm used to seeing from SJ sales. 300 K is what I remember a first week sale number used to look like
Kinokima wrote:Thanks for that info while the manga is not as high as Dragon ball/Z was in its heydey of course it's still doing very well and I expect will rank at the end of the year too.
There are many factors to measure success but for all accounts and purpose I think Super is doing just fine, in fact even better than fine.
Just a quick heads up:
The Dragon Ball Super manga is published in V-Jump. Which sells far less compared to Weekly Shonen Jump not just because V-Jump is sold once a month, compared to WSJ selling every week, but also due to the fact that some of the most popular manga series are sold in WSJ, while V-Jump doesn't really have any major manga titles to sell. Most of the manga in V-Jump aren't original stories and are manga based off of already very popular video-games and anime in Japan. And only really exist to promote those very popular anime and video-games they based are on.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Michsi wrote:Those don't seem bad, but not what I'm used to seeing from SJ sales. 300 K is what I remember a first week sale number used to look like
Kinokima wrote:Thanks for that info while the manga is not as high as Dragon ball/Z was in its heydey of course it's still doing very well and I expect will rank at the end of the year too.
There are many factors to measure success but for all accounts and purpose I think Super is doing just fine, in fact even better than fine.
Just a quick heads up:
The Dragon Ball Super manga is published in V-Jump. Which sells far less compared to Weekly Shonen Jump not just because V-Jump is sold once a month, compared to WSJ selling every week, but also due to the fact that some of the most popular manga series are sold in WSJ, while V-Jump doesn't really have any major manga titles to sell. Most of the manga in V-Jump aren't original stories and are manga based off of already very popular video-games and anime in Japan. And only really exist to promote those very popular anime and video-games they based are on.
Well, I knew that it's being published in one of Jumps sister magazines, but I hoped it'd do better than that given that it's, well, Dragon Ball Anyway, if people say it's doing well, than that's good!
Other modern Dragon Ball manga releases like the Full Colors and other assorted spinoffs have, largely, not been sales successes (generally failed to even place in the top 50 on the sales charts in the week of their release which, while the exact cutoff for the top 50 varies from week to week, generally means they sold less than 15,000 copies).
The fact that the Super manga is able to sell 200,000-300,000 copies per volume is actually incredibly impressive by those standards (incidentally, this is also the most likely explanation for why Super volume 1 sold out of its initial printing so quickly - Shueisha wasn't expecting it to sell anywhere remotely as well as it ended up doing).
Lord Beerus wrote:
Has the anime not be that good as of recent? I only keep up with the manga nowadays as I can't stand the melting iceberg level of pacing the anime.
The last time I can honestly say I liked the one piece anime was when Zoro cut Pica in half that was episode 719, the episode airing this weekend is 810.
There is a reason why Naruto was more popular internationally and it is strictly the anime.
It makes you think if adding filler episode/arcs in the end is preferable to stretching out the main plot. I don't watch OP but I know many that do, and it seems that barely anything gets to happen in one episode. Honestly speaking, I think there are some really good filler arcs out there (OP apparently has one of them, ironically) and I think I'd rather have a season per year or a longer, well-made filler arc than a horribly slowed down main story.
Edit: Is there any way of knowing how well DBS is doing internationally? I mean the world wide streaming on Crunchyroll and Daisuki should indicate that there was quite the demand for it, but do we have numbers?
I remember one time on ANN there was news about OP filler arc ending after 3 episodes or something and the comments were people actually complaining it was too short!! I was amazed to find out people actually wanted filler!
Fortunately DBS doesn't have to deal with catching up to a source material since it has none, but it does seem other shonen/long series are taking a seasonal approach now, such as MHA, Food Wars etc. Think that's a pretty smart approach for them to do. Even something like how Fairy Tail's adaptation was handled whilst not seasonal it did take year+ long hiatus' when needed.
http://www.videor.co.jp/tvrating/#comic
Super only got a 3.5, guess Kamen Rider and Super Sentai's new time slot has permanently damaged Super and OP's ratings.
I get the impression that the hour-long nature of the specials for DBS and One Piece hurt the ratings more than it helped (as in, the number is lower because it's averaged over a longer span of time than usual).
Still, we now have "real" evidence of how the two series perform in a vacuum relative to each other.
I'm not really familiar with how these ratings work, but Super only being around the middle of the list for the 1hr special doesn't look too good, does it?
Anyway, if people say it's doing well, than that's good! 
