The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dragon boss z]

New fights:

Tenshinhan [ToP] vs King Cold.
Roshi [ToP] vs Freeza [Namek].
Kuririn [Top] vs Super Saiyan Goku [Namek].
18 [ToP] vs Perfect Cell.
Piccolo [ToP] vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku [No stamina issues].
17 [ToP] vs Super Saiyan God Goku.

All the ToP characters stomp.

How did you come to this conclusion? Especially for the human characters. Tien has been getting bodied in every episode he is in, Roshi stomping any version of Frieza is ludicrous, Krillin being above ssj is hard to believe, 18 hasn't proven she is above Perfect Cell, Piccolo had a bit of trouble with a rusty ssj2 Gohan, 17 could be argued for either way I suppose.

[SuperDragoon]

New fights:

Tenshinhan [ToP] vs King Cold.
Roshi [ToP] vs Freeza [Namek].
Kuririn [Top] vs Super Saiyan Goku [Namek].
18 [ToP] vs Perfect Cell.
Piccolo [ToP] vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku [No stamina issues].
17 [ToP] vs Super Saiyan God Goku.

All the ToP characters stomp.

How did you come to this conclusion? Especially for the human characters. Tien has been getting bodied in every episode he is in, Roshi stomping any version of Frieza is ludicrous, Krillin being above ssj is hard to believe, 18 hasn't proven she is above Perfect Cell, Piccolo had a bit of trouble with a rusty ssj2 Gohan, 17 could be argued for either way I suppose.

At minimum humans are at 18's level since Krillin has been portrayed as being close to her in power the whole arc. At max Goku and Gohan thought Krillin pre-training could put up a fight against Basil who is at least around Perfect Cell in power. Tien Roshi and 18 would scale to Krillin. Piccolo has been portrayed on the base saiyans strength who at this point are far above Cell; rusty or not current SSJ2 Gohan would stomp Cell. 17 is explicitly SSB level. Any god tier character would stomp even SSJ Vegetto from the buu saga.

[Krillin1994]

accidentally posted this in the 'what if' thread

Luffy vs Goku

equal strength

Luffy using odd creative techniques reminds me of kid Goku coming up with techniques in the tournaments.

I'm unsure who would be the victor. I feel Goku has more fighting experience, but Luffy's fighting style could really catch him off guard. Though I'm sure he could adapt.

When you say equal strength then does that mean Goku can't turn Super Saiyan or Kaioken? Luffy can't use Gears or Haki? Because upon doing so there strength wouldn't really be equal anymore.

Is Speed and Durability not equal because if so then there's not really anything Luffy could even do.

Goku would likely win. Physical attacks wouldn't really work I suppose unless manipulating Ki into his punches and kicks works. Goku is too skilled for Luffy though. It's a master martial artist against a brawler. Goku can also fly, teleport, has long range attacks, Destructo Disc would cut him in half etc.

Goku fires a Kamehameha. Luffy can do nothing about it.

Okay lets say they're a comparable power in base, Luffy has his gears and haki, Goku is allowed to go super Saiyan.

Also I doubt the Kamehameha would work on Luffy, Goku used it on Buyon who was rubbery and it had no effect.

Would also say Goku would struggle to land a destructo disc on Luffy, as he has great instincts plus has Haki which would tell him to not let himself get hit.

[Noah]

Tenshinhan [ToP] vs King Cold.
Roshi [ToP] vs Freeza [Namek].
Kuririn [Top] vs Super Saiyan Goku [Namek].
18 [ToP] vs Perfect Cell.
Piccolo [ToP] vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku [No stamina issues].
17 [ToP] vs Super Saiyan God Goku.

All the ToP characters stomp.

How did you come to this conclusion? Especially for the human characters. Tien has been getting bodied in every episode he is in, Roshi stomping any version of Frieza is ludicrous, Krillin being above ssj is hard to believe, 18 hasn't proven she is above Perfect Cell, Piccolo had a bit of trouble with a rusty ssj2 Gohan, 17 could be argued for either way I suppose.

Just so you guys can get it right, but it was ZombieVito who made those match-ups, you are quoting like it was me who did it lol

[dragon boss z]

Just so you guys can get it right, but it was ZombieVito who made those match-ups, you are quoting like it was me who did it lol

lmao you are right, my bad.

[dragon boss z]

At minimum humans are at 18's level since Krillin has been portrayed as being close to her in power the whole arc. At max Goku and Gohan thought Krillin pre-training could put up a fight against Basil who is at least around Perfect Cell in power. Tien Roshi and 18 would scale to Krillin. Piccolo has been portrayed on the base saiyans strength who at this point are far above Cell; rusty or not current SSJ2 Gohan would stomp Cell. 17 is explicitly SSB level. Any god tier character would stomp even SSJ Vegetto from the buu saga.

Krilin is not 18 level. He is just strong enough to where he isn't completely useless. And there is no evidence Basil is Cell tier. Buff Basil was still weaker than Good Buu, who isn't even that far above super perfect Cell since current good Buu should be less than half of original fat Buu's power. Buu wasn't even taking regular Basil seriously and Lavender was weaker than rusty ssj Gohan.

Krillin<<Basil<<<perfect Cell<buff Basil<good Buu<fat Buu

And Piccolo has never been portrayed as current base Goku/Vegeta strength. In the BoG arc he did nothing, in the RoF arc he lost to a Frieza soldier, in the tournament arc he lost to Frost who we now know is nowhere near final form Frieza level who is base Goku level, and he had trouble with a rusty ssj2 Gohan who is confirmed much weaker than his old mystic self. That version of Gohan was probably at ssj2 majin Vegeta tier.

And no 17 is not explicitly SSB tier. Goku was most likely holding back like he was against Krillin and Goku. Krillin is nowhere near SSB level even though he made SSB Goku scream, and Gohan isn't even SSB level even though Goku went kaioken on him. Just like I don't think how Kale is stronger than SSB Goku even though she tanked and walked through his SSB kamehameha.

[Roronoa-pt]

New match:

- Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black (final appearance) vs. current Golden Freeza

I have them as equals.

I would give this to Goku Black though. He can always do his cloning attack and demolish Freeza easily.

New fights:

Tenshinhan [ToP] vs King Cold.
Roshi [ToP] vs Freeza [Namek].
Kuririn [Top] vs Super Saiyan Goku [Namek].
18 [ToP] vs Perfect Cell.
Piccolo [ToP] vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku [No stamina issues].
17 [ToP] vs Super Saiyan God Goku.

I have Tenshinhan as strong as 3rd Form Freeza ( Namek ). King Cold is likely weaker than Frieza but certanly stronger than his 3rd form. Cold wins easily.
Roshi is Zarbon's tier at best. Frieza one shots.
Kuririn is about as strong as Ten. He can beat 3rd form Freeza and that's it. He loses horribly against a seriously SSJ Goku.
#18 is pretty much the same she was back in the Cell saga. Perfect Cell one shots.
If this is SSJ3 Goku from Majin Buu saga (without stamina issues ), I'd say they're even. Piccolo is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and can somehow deal with Ultimate Gohan, who was much stronger than SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Goku vs Piccolo can go either way. The current SSJ3 Goku most likely wins against Piccolo without much difficulty.
SSJG Goku is stronger. He'll win but it won't be easy.

[Noah]

Would Jiren be defeated if Goku's Genkidama collected the energy of all fighters and Gods in the ToP (except the Pride Troopers, U11 gods, Grand Priest and Zen-Oh)?

[Sora Saiyan]

Would Jiren be defeated if Goku's Genkidama collected the energy of all fighters and Gods in the ToP (except the Pride Troopers, U11 gods, Grand Priest and Zen-Oh)?

If he couldn't push it back I would say most definitely. We know he wasn't anywhere near his full power, but no matter how crazy his full power is I just can't see him surviving it if it's powered by the gods.

[dragonball0900]

Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Chiaotzu vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

Kami vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

[Zamasu55]

Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Chiaotzu vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

Kami vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

Those three managed to beat BOZ Piccolo, whose power level is 322.
They stomp.

[dragonball0900]

Right, what if:

Gohan (when fighting Ginyu in Goku's body) vs Recoome/Burter/Jeice

Considering how Gohan got a zenkai from Recoome's fight, and his power kept increasing after that due to Guru's boost, with a 23,000 level of power being considered as nothing for him. What do you think?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Right, what if:

Gohan (when fighting Ginyu in Goku's body) vs Recoome/Burter/Jeice

Considering how Gohan got a zenkai from Recoome's fight, and his power kept increasing after that due to Guru's boost, with a 23,000 level of power being considered as nothing for him. What do you think?

His performance didn't seem to be far above Ginyu-Goku's power, so any of the Ginyus stomp. Monster Zarbon would be a better match IMO.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Who's the strongest character Raditz could beat if he had the same power as usual but had mastered Ultra Instinct?

[Bullza]

Who's the strongest character Raditz could beat if he had the same power as usual but had mastered Ultra Instinct?

Maybe Saiyan saga Tien or something.

He wouldn't even be able to scratch anyone above Nappa.

[Sora Saiyan]

Who's the strongest character Raditz could beat if he had the same power as usual but had mastered Ultra Instinct?

It all depends on what it actually does. Like does the body move out of the way of almost any attack regardless of how much faster the opponent is? Sort of fitting in with Whis line of "avoiding any dangerous situation". If it ends up being like that he would probably defeat any body who couldn't just nuke the planet. So tops would probably be Nappa, and that all depends on Raditz having stamina that could last until Nappa would wear himself out.

[Legion]

Jiren isn't necessarily stronger than Belmond; he is, however, stronger than Beerus and Quitela.

Who say that is stronger than Beerus and Quitela but not than Vermoud? and who say that Vermoud>Beerus/Quitela? the only thing that we know, is that Jiren is Hakaishin level and he has possibly surpassed that level, that's all.

[LowRyder2005]

Jiren isn't necessarily stronger than Belmond; he is, however, stronger than Beerus and Quitela.

Who say that is stronger than Beerus and Quitela but not than Vermoud? and who say that Vermoud>Beerus/Quitela? the only thing that we know, is that Jiren is Hakaishin level and he has possibly surpassed that level, that's all.

Is it a real question? We know the God who beat Beerus at arm wrestling can't beat Jiren; this God should be stronger than Beerus and this God should be Quitela. Okay, you could put a hypothetical if you reaaaally think that Beerus is actually stronger than Quitela after all or that more than one God beat Beerus at arm wrestling, but other than that it's pretty darn easy to understand on what premise would someone tell you Jiren is at least implied to be stronger than both Beerus and Quitela. I mean, did the post really need additional clarifications?

[Legion]

Jiren isn't necessarily stronger than Belmond; he is, however, stronger than Beerus and Quitela.

Who say that is stronger than Beerus and Quitela but not than Vermoud? and who say that Vermoud>Beerus/Quitela? the only thing that we know, is that Jiren is Hakaishin level and he has possibly surpassed that level, that's all.

Is it a real question? We know the God who beat Beerus at arm wrestling can't beat Jiren; this God should be stronger than Beerus and this God should be Quitela. Okay, you could put a hypothetical if you reaaaally think that Beerus is actually stronger than Quitela after all or that more than one God beat Beerus at arm wrestling, but other than that it's pretty darn easy to understand on what premise would someone tell you Jiren is at least implied to be stronger than both Beerus and Quitela. I mean, did the post really need additional clarifications?

Dude, what? you just put anime and manga together

In the anime, Whis said "there is a universe where lives a mortal that even a God can't defeat, that God is stronger than Beerus" and Beerus said that it was only an arm wrestling match. Herms, that is reliable, said that this mortal and this God live in the same universe (and it was clear even without Herms). So, is Vermoud, without any doubt. Meh, you believe that Whis talked about...Quitela and Jiren? what's the point? they don't know each other and they never met each other lol. Why Quitela and Jiren should be related? it's nonsense.

In the manga is different, for now we only know that Quitela is the God who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match, but we still don't know anything about Jiren. Toyotaro and Toei follow Toriyama script, but in a different way.

Jiren is>Vermoud and we don't know if Quitela is>Beerus, but i doubt it. Actually, we don't know anything about Gods tier in general, in the anime.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Yamcha, Krillin, Tien and Chiaotzu vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

Kami vs Ginger, Nicky and Sansho.

Dragon Ball Z: Dead Zone

1) As this would be before their training for the Saiyans, only Krillin and Tien Shinhan, out of the four Human Z Fighters, would have been able to hold their own against Garlic Junior's Three Dark Lords. With Yamcha and Chiaotzu being defeated long before Ginger, Nicky, and Sansho would have been.

2) Unless Kami had been training since the end of Dragon Ball, he will be overwhelmed and killed by Ginger, Nicky, and Sansho in a very brief instant.

Dragon Ball Z

3) Great Demon King Piccolo (After having his youth restored by Shenron, Namekian Fusing with Kami, and spending a year inside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber) vs. Raditz.

4) Madara Uchiha (Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei) vs. Nappa.