Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Mjb1985]

What is interesting is that fusion is most likely weaker than a Super Saiyan boost if going by official numbers.


Super Saiyan Gotenks - 1,100
Super Saiyan 3 Goku - 1,000
Super Saiyan 2 Goku 250
Super Saiyan Goku 125
Gotenks 22
Goku 2.5


I found this to be very interesting. It's tough for me because I think Gotenks being weaker than Piccolo would be pretty absurd, but it's hard to tell what's going on in the gag infested Buu Saga.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, if going by gag feats, either Gotenks is hundreds of times stronger than Goku, or his SS multiplier is tiny. Also going by gag feats, his SS3 multiplier is x1.5 for whatever reason.

[Mjb1985]

If going by gag feats his Super Saiyan wouldn't be 50x either. Ssj3 multiplier should be ok, Super Buu wasn't going all out against Ssj Gotenks.

By gag feats if properly place him this way using official boosts except for Ssj.

Ssj3 Gotenks 24,000
Ssj2 Gotenks 6,000
Super Saiyan Gotenks 3,000
Base Gotenks Post 1,500
Super Saiyan Gotenks 1,100
Ssj3 Goku 1,000
Fat Buu 750
Base Gotenks 550
Ssj2 Goku 250


I personally don't see a difference between a 10x advantage or a 24x advantage.

[ZombieVito]

Gotenks weaker than Piccolo...?

Sorry but that's just ridiculous.

[Mjb1985]

You think Base Gotenks > Piccolo?

[Son Edo]

Gotenks defeating Super boo in base was the gag.

Him getting a lot stronger wasn't.

He couldn't defeat Boo but still greatly powered up as Piccolo said.

[Mjb1985]

Ok but what does that have to do with Base Gotenks vs Piccolo?

[ZombieVito]

Ok but what does that have to do with Base Gotenks vs Piccolo?

I was referring to this:

Gotenks- 130,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 52,000,000,000

There's no way hes weaker than even Freeza. No way.

[Son Edo]

Artificial human 16 would wipe the floor with him.

[RandomGuy96]

Ok but what does that have to do with Base Gotenks vs Piccolo?

I was referring to this:

Gotenks- 130,000,000
--Super Saiyan- 6,500,000,000
--Super Saiyan 3- 52,000,000,000

There's no way hes weaker than even Freeza. No way.

Hence the term "quasi joke list". And he IS stronger than Freeza

I usually just don't list base Gotenks on my power level lists. He never does anything yet a lot of people overrate him based on some gag lines and non-feats. Not worth the trouble.

If going by gag feats, I'd make the fused SS multiplier x2 and the SS3 multiplier x1.5 off of that.

[ZombieVito]

Oh, you are one of the those guys that think a 120 mil Freeza could battle that much with a 150 mil Goku.

Better not say anything else and just leave it at that.

[RandomGuy96]

No, I'm one of those guys who thinks he can get ass-stomped by 150,000,000 Goku. Good day.

If going by gag feats his Super Saiyan wouldn't be 50x either. Ssj3 multiplier should be ok, Super Buu wasn't going all out against Ssj Gotenks.

I disagree. Buu powering up wasn't noted and he almost died. At the very least one of Gotenks' hits gave him a lot of pain. I don't think Buu would let him do that.

[Son Edo]

I think Kibitoshin is underrated and stronger than we originally thought.

[RandomGuy96]

My battle power list on page 149 says: not even close. About as strong as SS2 teen Gohan or Dabra; Old Kai indirectly said he was weaker than Vegeta. As for why I put him at that exact place: that's just how he scaled using my potara formula.

Acually, I noticed I didn't scale him with the rest of my list after the revision. I should go do that.

[ZombieVito]

I have to agree, at best I'll put KibitoShin around Perfect Cell at full power.

[dbzfan7]

Shrank my levels in the Cell saga and a bit of them in the Boo saga.

[RandomGuy96]

Where is your list, again?

[dbzfan7]

Where is your list, again?

148. I tried to make the Boo saga increases a little bigger for seven years. I then tried to scale accordingly. I still stand by Toriyamas recent BOG statements of near perfect strength by the Boo saga. Everything before Trunks' arrival is the same.

By the way Zombie I go with the 150 120 Freeza thing so your not gonna be happy.

[ZombieVito]

Shrank my levels in the Cell saga and a bit of them in the Boo saga.

Where is it? I want to start looking at other people list more, to get more insight on the series to finally finish mine.

[RandomGuy96]

Mine is also on page 149, if you wanna look...

But then, like most people around here, I go with official information, so maybe that won't tickle your fancy.

148. I tried to make the Boo saga increases a little bigger for seven years. I then tried to scale accordingly. I still stand by Toriyamas recent BOG statements of near perfect strength by the Boo saga. Everything before Trunks' arrival is the same.

Hmmm... how strong do you have everyone in the EoZ? Considering they're stronger in BoG, I think that maybe having base Goku at 100 million leaves things too cramped for him to get decent improvement and still be not match for Freeza.

It seems like you just changed the Cell Games numbers. Which ones were changed in the Buu Saga?

On the Cell Games: I think Goku should be nerfed slightly. I think him being more than 90% of Cell is too much; he seemed like he was at a big disadvantage. I also don't think that the Cell that fought Goku should be equal to SS Gohan; Gohan was unimpressed by the power Cell displayed there, and Cell had to power up just to hit Gohan. Gohan also floored Cell before the power up when he actually tried to retaliate.

Maybe an error: you have Initial Perfect Cell stronger than Grade III Trunks when the opposite was stated.

I think SS2 Goku should either be only 9 billion or Gohan at the Cell Games should be higher. Piccolo had trouble telling the difference between Majin Vegeta's ki and kid Gohan's ki; SS2 Goku and Majin Vegeta shouldn't be gods to Cell and Gohan.

Another nitpick: I think the difference between Kaioshin and Piccolo is too small. Piccolo thought it was pointless to even try to fight him and said that they were dimensions apart. I think even I have the gap between them too small at the moment...