"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

The problem with the Goku vs Piccolo fight is that Goku had to win becuase of the story. As the series has progressed Piccolo has increased his skill factor and has become a lot smarter since has lost that 'evilness'. Goku however has been relying on Power as the series has progressed whereas Piccolo has relied more on skill.

We are talking about at the current stage of the series.

Piccolo and Goku have 2 different fighting styles it just depends what you think is better. My reason for Tien and Piccolo being more skillful is that they are always 100% serious and concentrated which is not the case with Goku 100% of the time.

What does Goku have to win have to do with the fact that he won and beat Piccolo when they were equals.

Also, Goku may have a lot of power, but there is no denying that his skill level is among the best like him using Freeza lack of ki sensing, he gave Cell a run for his money despite being inferior strength/speed wise even if Cell was holding back, Goku chose to throw Botamo out of the ring instead of transforming and overpowering his absorption ability, he figure out Hit's Time-Skip when no one else did even when they knew what it was, and while on the verge of dying last episode he shot an energy blast into the air that will save his life. Piccolo's skill level only stands out more since it's almost impossible for him to win using power.

Being 100% serious doesn't mean they're more skillful. Tien was 100% serious during the 23rd tournament and he still made the fatal mistake of using the multiform and got blinded by his own technique.

[Lujin_16]

I would like to see this type of animal god..Come on Akira let it happen xD

[ArchedThunder]

I wonder if they'll all be animals or if we have some that are just "alien" designs.

[namekiansaiyan]

The problem with the Goku vs Piccolo fight is that Goku had to win becuase of the story. As the series has progressed Piccolo has increased his skill factor and has become a lot smarter since has lost that 'evilness'. Goku however has been relying on Power as the series has progressed whereas Piccolo has relied more on skill.

We are talking about at the current stage of the series.

Piccolo and Goku have 2 different fighting styles it just depends what you think is better. My reason for Tien and Piccolo being more skillful is that they are always 100% serious and concentrated which is not the case with Goku 100% of the time.

What does Goku have to win have to do with the fact that he won and beat Piccolo when they were equals.

Also, Goku may have a lot of power, but there is no denying that his skill level is among the best like him using Freeza lack of ki sensing, he gave Cell a run for his money despite being inferior strength/speed wise even if Cell was holding back, Goku chose to throw Botamo out of the ring instead of transforming and overpowering his absorption ability, he figure out Hit's Time-Skip when no one else did even when they knew what it was, and while on the verge of dying last episode he shot an energy blast into the air that will save his life. Piccolo's skill level only stands out more since it's almost impossible for him to win using power.

Being 100% serious doesn't mean they're more skillful. Tien was 100% serious during the 23rd tournament and he still made the fatal mistake of using the multiform and got blinded by his own technique.

You saying he is more skillful then Piccolo because he won. The story dictated he had to or everyone would probably die.

Botamo would have been obvious to anyone fighting after a while. He got told about Hit's technique. The ki blast thing is bad writing since didn't Piccolo do the same thing to Gohan? So wouldn't the writers have him do it?

With Piccolo you basically proved my point. He always uses his skill to his advantage and it proves to the audience how skillful he is.

Concentration is a huge skill that no one can compete with Tien and Piccolo at. Another important skill is being aware of your surroundings which Piccolo is on his own league.

The disguise of Goku participating in a lot of fights is not that good for this discussion.

[sangofe]

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

[ArchedThunder]

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

It's unlikely we'll see all of the fighters.

[namekiansaiyan]

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

He would have had plenty of time. I would not be surprised if he has not finished writing it yet snd that this src lasts until the end of 2017 or beginning of 2018.

I am not complaining though, 120 characters is great.

I just want to see a Namekian and Earthling form universe 6 along with 3 other races to complete their line up.

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

It's unlikely we'll see all of the fighters.

I think we will see them all, but not fighting though.

[dblack]

You can see a huge god of destruction definitely not a cat

What's everyone's thoughts on the third God of destruction on the left side has a big pointed hat instead of the bandana-looking hats all the other gods have.
My guess is he's the strongest god. Assuming they're standing in order with Uni 7 front left, that would make him Uni 9's god.

[Lujin_16]

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

+ 10 new gods & 10 Kaioshins & possible 10 angels = 150 new characters xD

[WhatsUpPigeons]

Everytime I keep seeing that shot I keep thinking of the 12 Zoalords from Guyver. I hope they will all have individual personalities!

[Doctor.]

So... There will be 120 fighters in this tournament?! 12 teams with 10 each? That's massive... And a bit much of creating in short time for toriyama isn't it?

+ 10 new gods & 10 Kaioshins & possible 10 angels = 150 new characters xD

Only 9 new Kaioshins since we already met Gowasu.

[SansrivaaL]

The problem with the Goku vs Piccolo fight is that Goku had to win becuase of the story. As the series has progressed Piccolo has increased his skill factor and has become a lot smarter since has lost that 'evilness'. Goku however has been relying on Power as the series has progressed whereas Piccolo has relied more on skill.

We are talking about at the current stage of the series.

Piccolo and Goku have 2 different fighting styles it just depends what you think is better. My reason for Tien and Piccolo being more skillful is that they are always 100% serious and concentrated which is not the case with Goku 100% of the time.

What does Goku have to win have to do with the fact that he won and beat Piccolo when they were equals.

Also, Goku may have a lot of power, but there is no denying that his skill level is among the best like him using Freeza lack of ki sensing, he gave Cell a run for his money despite being inferior strength/speed wise even if Cell was holding back, Goku chose to throw Botamo out of the ring instead of transforming and overpowering his absorption ability, he figure out Hit's Time-Skip when no one else did even when they knew what it was, and while on the verge of dying last episode he shot an energy blast into the air that will save his life. Piccolo's skill level only stands out more since it's almost impossible for him to win using power.

Being 100% serious doesn't mean they're more skillful. Tien was 100% serious during the 23rd tournament and he still made the fatal mistake of using the multiform and got blinded by his own technique.

You saying he is more skillful then Piccolo because he won. The story dictated he had to or everyone would probably die.

Botamo would have been obvious to anyone fighting after a while. He got told about Hit's technique. The ki blast thing is bad writing since didn't Piccolo do the same thing to Gohan? So wouldn't the writers have him do it?

With Piccolo you basically proved my point. He always uses his skill to his advantage and it proves to the audience how skillful he is.

Concentration is a huge skill that no one can compete with Tien and Piccolo at. Another important skill is being aware of your surroundings which Piccolo is on his own league.

The disguise of Goku participating in a lot of fights is not that good for this discussion.

Reading this is weird... why are you putting up that the story had to do it in a in universe discussion into who would win in a fight between Piccolo and Goku if they had equal power? because if we are putting what the story wanted out there then Piccolo's only smart because the story needed him to be smart to be able to narrate some stuffs that happened to us viewers and as his only appeal in the show so that he'd still be relevant. We know you like Piccolo but this is kinda pushing it when you're debating about Piccolo fighting Goku and that he would win, it even surprises me that you mentioned Tien because Goku would have beat him if the truck didnt come outta nowhere and that was Goku as a kid with a huge disadvantage of not being able to fly.

[Grimlock]

We should meet all the Dai Kaioshins as they stand above the Kaioshins. It will be illogical we meet a mere Kaioshin unless of course there is no Dai Kaioshin (although it should have, as Kaioshins should be replaced once the past ones died or are unable to fill their role).

[Yomi]

I wonder why people stopped calling the Supreme Kai, "Shin", yet they called Zamasu and Gowasu by their names instead of their title.

[HeroR]

You saying he is more skillful then Piccolo because he won. The story dictated he had to or everyone would probably die.

Botamo would have been obvious to anyone fighting after a while. He got told about Hit's technique. The ki blast thing is bad writing since didn't Piccolo do the same thing to Gohan? So wouldn't the writers have him do it?

With Piccolo you basically proved my point. He always uses his skill to his advantage and it proves to the audience how skillful he is.

Concentration is a huge skill that no one can compete with Tien and Piccolo at. Another important skill is being aware of your surroundings which Piccolo is on his own league.

The disguise of Goku participating in a lot of fights is not that good for this discussion.

The story always dictates who wins. So, what's the point of saying 'such and such won because of plot'. Why was Old King Piccolo so strong than he beat Goku to the point that his heart stopped, because if Goku was stronger and won the story would have ended. Why did Goku lose to Tien during the 23rd tournament despite outsmarting him and knocking him out, because the plot wanted Goku to lose. So using 'because of plot' is a really silly argument.

Given Piccolo's shock reaction when Goku threw Botamo out of the ring, it wasn't that obvious, especially since Piccolo didn't say anything useful when Goku's attack proved to be ineffective, unlike Goku telling Vegeta not to stay in the air when he was being suffocated by Magetta. Goku was told about the Time-Skip, but he had to figure out how to counter it on his own and when he did, people were shocked how he did it. Also, if Piccolo did the same thing to restart his own heart, you would be praising it as Piccolo being smart. Especially since Piccolo somehow survived having his neck broken, a hole in the chest, and thrown into the sea with no real justification, especially since a hole by Freeza nearly killed him.

The argument is, is Piccolo more skillful than Goku, not if he's skilled. So far, the answer is no since there is nothing Piccolo ever did that showed that he out-skilled Goku since I can name a lot of example of Goku using skill to beat or push opponents equal or stronger than him, including Piccolo himself.

Goku uses his surrenders more than Piccolo, even when he was child. This is shown when he froze Buyon solid by punching a hole in the wall. What examples are there of Piccolo using the environment to his advantage?

That's Piccolo and Tien's problem. If they were so highly skilled, they should have found a work around to being physically weaker than the Saiyans decades ago.

[FortuneSSJ]

You can see a huge god of destruction definitely not a cat
[spoiler][/spoiler]

It can be a huge cat.

[namekiansaiyan]

What does Goku have to win have to do with the fact that he won and beat Piccolo when they were equals.

Also, Goku may have a lot of power, but there is no denying that his skill level is among the best like him using Freeza lack of ki sensing, he gave Cell a run for his money despite being inferior strength/speed wise even if Cell was holding back, Goku chose to throw Botamo out of the ring instead of transforming and overpowering his absorption ability, he figure out Hit's Time-Skip when no one else did even when they knew what it was, and while on the verge of dying last episode he shot an energy blast into the air that will save his life. Piccolo's skill level only stands out more since it's almost impossible for him to win using power.

Being 100% serious doesn't mean they're more skillful. Tien was 100% serious during the 23rd tournament and he still made the fatal mistake of using the multiform and got blinded by his own technique.

You saying he is more skillful then Piccolo because he won. The story dictated he had to or everyone would probably die.

Botamo would have been obvious to anyone fighting after a while. He got told about Hit's technique. The ki blast thing is bad writing since didn't Piccolo do the same thing to Gohan? So wouldn't the writers have him do it?

With Piccolo you basically proved my point. He always uses his skill to his advantage and it proves to the audience how skillful he is.

Concentration is a huge skill that no one can compete with Tien and Piccolo at. Another important skill is being aware of your surroundings which Piccolo is on his own league.

The disguise of Goku participating in a lot of fights is not that good for this discussion.

Reading this is weird... why are you putting up that the story had to do it in a in universe discussion into who would win in a fight between Piccolo and Goku if they had equal power? because if we are putting what the story wanted out there then Piccolo's only smart because the story needed him to be smart to be able to narrate some stuffs that happened to us viewers and as his only appeal in the show so that he'd still be relevant. We know you like Piccolo but this is kinda pushing it when you're debating about Piccolo fighting Goku and that he would win, it even surprises me that you mentioned Tien because Goku would have beat him if the truck didnt come outta nowhere and that was Goku as a kid with a huge disadvantage of not being able to fly.

We are talking about if they had equal power. I am saying he has more skill than Goku so would win and especially at this stage in Super. To me no Z fighter has better skill, intelligence or strategy than Piccolo.

[dbgtFO]

We should meet all the Dai Kaioshins as they stand above the Kaioshins. It will be illogical we meet a mere Kaioshin unless of course there is no Dai Kaioshin (although it should have, as Kaioshins should be replaced once the past ones died or are unable to fill their role).

Universe 7 exclusive until stated otherwise.
Out of universe Toriyama streamlined the Gid hierarchy, so there would only be 1 Kaioshin per universe, reducing the amount of characters. I don't have any hope for anything else at this point and I doubt it will even come up in the story, it's basically swept under the rug more or less.

I wonder why people stopped calling the Supreme Kai, "Shin", yet they called Zamasu and Gowasu by their names instead of their title.

Why would we ever start calling him Shin after the reveal he was a Kaioshin?
I don't know why Toei's website is calling him Shin now. Seemed like an obvious alias like "Shen" at the 23rd Tournament.

[HeroR]

We are talking about if they had equal power. I am saying he has more skill than Goku so would win and especially at this stage in Super. To me no Z fighter has better skill, intelligence or strategy than Piccolo.

The problem is, you're not proving your argument. I have giving several examples of Goku outsmarting, out-planning, and thinking ahead of his opponents to give him a victory, a near victory, or just putting up a good showing. You're just giving very broad, 'I think Piccolo is more skilled, therefore he can beat Goku if they were equals'. That's fine, since it's your opinion, but you can't just throw around, 'Goku won because of plot' when Goku beat Piccolo fairly in a match of equals, while still playing by tournament rules when Piccolo was trying his hardest to kill him.

[namekiansaiyan]

You saying he is more skillful then Piccolo because he won. The story dictated he had to or everyone would probably die.

Botamo would have been obvious to anyone fighting after a while. He got told about Hit's technique. The ki blast thing is bad writing since didn't Piccolo do the same thing to Gohan? So wouldn't the writers have him do it?

With Piccolo you basically proved my point. He always uses his skill to his advantage and it proves to the audience how skillful he is.

Concentration is a huge skill that no one can compete with Tien and Piccolo at. Another important skill is being aware of your surroundings which Piccolo is on his own league.

The disguise of Goku participating in a lot of fights is not that good for this discussion.

The story always dictates who wins. So, what's the point of saying 'such and such won because of plot'. Why was Old King Piccolo so strong than he beat Goku to the point that his heart stopped, because if Goku was stronger and won the story would have ended. Why did Goku lose to Tien during the 23rd tournament despite outsmarting him and knocking him out, because the plot wanted Goku to lose. So using 'because of plot' is a really silly argument.

Given Piccolo's shock reaction when Goku threw Botamo out of the ring, it wasn't that obvious, especially since Piccolo didn't say anything useful when Goku's attack proved to be ineffective, unlike Goku telling Vegeta not to stay in the air when he was being suffocated by Magetta. Goku was told about the Time-Skip, but he had to figure out how to counter it on his own and when he did, people were shocked how he did it. Also, if Piccolo did the same thing to restart his own heart, you would be praising it as Piccolo being smart. Especially since Piccolo somehow survived having his neck broken, a hole in the chest, and thrown into the sea with no real justification, especially since a hole by Freeza nearly killed him.

The argument is, is Piccolo more skillful than Goku, not if he's skilled. So far, the answer is no since there is nothing Piccolo ever did that showed that he out-skilled Goku since I can name a lot of example of Goku using skill to beat or push opponents equal or stronger than him, including Piccolo himself.

Goku uses his surrenders more than Piccolo, even when he was child. This is shown when he froze Buyon solid by punching a hole in the wall. What examples are there of Piccolo using the environment to his advantage?

That's Piccolo and Tien's problem. If they were so highly skilled, they should have found a work around to being physically weaker than the Saiyans decades ago.

You contradict yourself as you said said the story always dictates but then start saying Piccolo and Tien are usuless becuase they did nothing. That was the story fault. You are the same person who says that anyone not named Goku and Vegeta is useless because of themsleves and not Toriyama. You are not speakinh consistently.

To sum my other post up, it is basically saying that the story disguises other characters true skill and over hypes Goku's a lot.