"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Will]

Allright, now i have to ask something, in Toei's timeline chart it is explained that the main timeline has separated into two, one where Zamasu is dead and other where he's alive. In the timeline where Zamasu was alive is where Black was created and which was splitted once Beerus killed present Zamasu.

What the hell am i seeing people talking about casual loop theories or how it doesn't make sense because it's a casual loop theory? It doesn't look like any of that at all and people are making it seem more complex and i'm getting confused.

Maybe it's just my low IQ

[*]Trunks travels to the past leading to the following events
[*]Goku meets Zamasu
[*]Pissed Zamasu gets more pissed
[*]Pissed Zamasu kills Gowasu, which is rewinded
[*]Beerus kills Zamasu
=>An unnatural split that is supposed to ensure a Zamasu can survive to become Black happens (re-organizing/manipulating the event chain so it somehow can happen/Beerus is not aware/whatever, not important, important is, he survives on this safety timeline), while on the opposing timeline Zamasu is dead
[*]Zamasu becomes Black and terrorizes Trunks
[*]Trunks travels back and resets the bootstrap

Black timeline is identical to the Main timeline without Future Trunks coming back to warn about Black and thus without Beerus killing Zamasu.

There is no "Black timeline without Trunks". It is one split and that split happens through Beerus. Trunks always arrived and his arrival always triggers the other events leading to the Beerus split.

The chart don't show a Future Trunks travelling to Black Timeline, we only see Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future timeline and the new future timeline with F.Trunks 2 and F.Mai 2.
(And where would this other Future Trunks that was in Black timeline be anyways?)

A reality where Beerus decides to kill Zamasu and a reality where he does not must have a difference.
It is stated that the splitting happened because Trunks came to Goku's timeline:
"It is split into several histories due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history"

Goku's/Main's timeline was supposed to be Black timeline but because of Trunk(and him warning Beerusand thus, Beerus killing Zamasu) the timeline split and reorganized in two timeline.

[HeroR]

The chart don't show a Future Trunks travelling to Black Timeline, we only see Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future timeline and the new future timeline with F.Trunks 2 and F.Mai 2.
(And where would this other Future Trunks that was in Black timeline be anyways?)

A reality where Beerus decides to kill Zamasu and a reality where he does not must have a difference.
It is stated that the splitting happened because Trunks came to Goku's timeline:
"It is split into several histories due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history"

Goku's/Main's timeline was supposed to be Black timeline but because of Trunk(and him warning Beerusand thus, Beerus killing Zamasu) the timeline split and reorganized in two timeline.

Trunks going back didn't create a new timeline. That split happened only when Beerus killed Present Zamasu. Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

Re: TL chart
They still didn't explain how Whis is supposed to time travel in order to warn Beerus. The only way I can think of is Trunks calling for Future Whis just like how Bulma does in the RoF arc, and then explaining everything to him.

Whis most likely had one of the Supreme Kais take him into the future using the Time Ring. It may have been been Gowasu since he feel responsible for everything that has happened.

[Cetra]

The chart don't show a Future Trunks travelling to Black Timeline, we only see Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future timeline and the new future timeline with F.Trunks 2 and F.Mai 2.

Do you even know what "it is ONE timeline until the split" means? The "Goku lives" timeline and the "Zamasu is alive" timeline are not two timelines that exist seperately during those "Boo, Beerus, Freeza, Trunks" events. It is ONE timeline, a timeline where Boo dies, Beerus is fought, Freeza is fought, and Trunks comes back as well as Zamasu gets pissed. On that timeline Trunks arrives and this ultimately leads to that one timeline leading to becoming two, a) the one where Goku is alive and b) the one where Zamasu is alive. What you assume, that they are two seperate timelines "which seem to be identical but are not really one", is not the case. If they would be seperate it would require a split beforehand. But there is a split AFTERWARDS proving that there is one timeline that becomes those two. And that, because the bootstrap always happens. There are seven time rings. The sixth one got created the moment Beerus cracked the timeline and a "Goku is alive" and "Safety Timeline for Zamasu to become Black" were born.

[namekiansaiyan]

The moaning is sometimes justified tho, Super is an average series at best, and we fans have high expectations. With the upcoming arc how will we have sufficient character development or info from this new fighters when we still don't know much obout u6 fighters?

All Toriyama has to do is give all universe 7 fighters good fights throughout the tournament and 99.9% of the fanbase will be very happy.

[Sandubadear]

Re: TL chart
They still didn't explain how Whis is supposed to time travel in order to warn Beerus. The only way I can think of is Trunks calling for Future Whis just like how Bulma does in the RoF arc, and then explaining everything to him.

Whis most likely had one of the Supreme Kais take him into the future using the Time Ring. It may have been been Gowasu since he feel responsible for everything that has happened.

But Whis shouldn't be able to travel with the Time Ring because he's not a Kaioshin.

[HeroR]

But Whis shouldn't be able to travel with the Time Ring because he's not a Kaioshin.

All he has to do is wear one Kai's earring like Black did.

[goku the krump dancer]

I know you guys are probably joking, but I don't think it's a cat because the ears don't stick out in the same way Beerus and Champa do. Then again, it could be a different breed of cat but I doubt it.

They're purposefully hiding their faces design wise, until its time to unveil them later on. There's a reason why we only get to see, Beerus', Champa's, U6 Kaioshin and U7 Kaioshin's faces, its because we were introduced to them already.

[Sandubadear]

But Whis shouldn't be able to travel with the Time Ring because he's not a Kaioshin.

All he has to do is wear one Kai's earring like Black did.

I don't think it's that simple. Zamasu was a Kaioshin apprentice and then body-changed to a different race, but let's not start this argument again.

[namekiansaiyan]

I know you guys are probably joking, but I don't think it's a cat because the ears don't stick out in the same way Beerus and Champa do. Then again, it could be a different breed of cat but I doubt it.

They're purposefully hiding their faces design wise, until its time to unveil them later on. There's a reason why we only get to see, Beerus', Champa's, U6 Kaioshin and U7 Kaioshin's faces, its because we were introduced to them already.

There will probably be about an episode where we are introduced to all Gods, Kais, Angels and the 120 fighters.

[HeroR]

I don't think it's that simple. Zamasu was a Kaioshin apprentice and then body-changed to a different race, but let's not start this argument again.

It really is that simple since Black was at the end of the day, a mortal who happened to have a god within him. He wasn't technically a Kai anymore, yet he could still used the Time Ring because of the earring. Similarly, Zamasu couldn't used the Time Ring without the earring, despite being a god.

[Will]

Do you even know what "it is ONE timeline until the split" means? The "Goku lives" timeline and the "Zamasu is alive" timeline are not two timelines that exist seperately during those "Boo, Beerus, Freeza, Trunks" events. It is ONE timeline, a timeline where Boo dies, Beerus is fought, Freeza is fought, and Trunks comes back as well as Zamasu gets pissed. On that timeline Trunks arrives and this ultimately leads to that one timeline leading to becoming two, a) the one where Goku is alive and b) the one where Zamasu is alive. What you assume, that they are two seperate timelines "which seem to be identical but are not really one", is not the case. If they would be seperate it would require a split beforehand. But there is a split AFTERWARDS proving that there is one timeline that becomes those two. And that, because the bootstrap always happens. There are seven time rings. The sixth one got created the moment Beerus cracked the timeline and a "Goku is alive" and "Safety Timeline for Zamasu to become Black" were born.

Black timeline was the main timeline up until Trunks arrived and warn Beerus, who then killed Zamasu.
Black timeline becomes an alternate timeline due to the interference from Future Trunks which results in Beerus destroying Zamasu which creates a divergence and the timeline split.
If Future Trunks hadn't time traveled, Zamasu's plan would have happens in the main timeline.
"It is split into several histories due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history"
"But because Beerus destroyed Zamasu, the main history is reorganized in two"

A reality where Beerus decides to kill Zamasu and a reality where he does not must have a difference.
And in Black timeline, there's no Trunks coming back and thus no Beerus killing him.

Trunks going back didn't create a new timeline. That split happened only when Beerus killed Present Zamasu. Black would have never existed if Trunks didn't time travel since the only reason Goku even met and fought Zamasu was to see if he was connected to Black. If Trunks never came, Goku and Zamasu would have no reason to meet or fight, or how they met would have been very different, which isn't stated since Black confirmed that he is the same Zamasu that Goku fought and we see a flashback to Episode 53, the infamous sparring match that triggered Zamasu.

The chart only show Future Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future Trunks timeline, the new future timeline, the chart don't show Trunks going to Black's timeline.
Zamasu would know Goku from Gowasu watching Godtube anyways, and could fight under different circumstances.

[Cetra]

Black timeline was the main timeline up until Trunks arrived and warn Beerus, who then killed Zamasu.

No, it was not. There is no such thing as a "main timeline". Only the "main history", which is the Boo, Beerus, Freeza, Trunks stuff. What you assume is contradicted by multiple plotpoints as well as several issues that your idea overall consists of. It is a combination of bootstrap paradox and alternate timeline. Black always became Black because Trunks always arrived and Beerus always tried to destroy Black. The events always happen on one timeline, the timeline always split up with Beerus and Black always forces Trunks to travel back so the split of that one timeline can happen because of Beerus. I won't reply to you anymore because I have clearly explained it before and you flat out ignored it by posting once more what was already answered/contradicted so you have no actual interest in this.

... the chart don't show Trunks going to Black's .

You simply do not understand that there is no "Trunks going to Black's timeline" because Black's timeline at that point in time does not exist as individual timeline. And even that part of your thought already has a mass of problems within. Beginning with the fact that this would mean that Trunks would split up time which a) does not happen and b) Beerus as a result would not split up time which also is wrong. That already contradicts you in every way and that is really just a part of it.

[HeroR]

The chart only show Future Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future Trunks timeline, the new future timeline, the chart don't show Trunks going to Black's timeline.
Zamasu would know Goku from Gowasu watching Godtube anyways, and could fight under different circumstances.

Black outright told Goku that he's the same Zamasu that he met and the flashback was to Episode 53. That sparring match only happened because Goku wanted to see if Zamasu was Black.

Also, the main timeline was Black's timeline, which is where Trunks arrived. The timeline didn't split until Beerus killed Present Zamasu. That is when the main timeline went into two branches. Up until that point, Goku Black was Present Goku's future.

[SonReggie]

Great. Created a thread regarding the universal tournament. Thread locked because it was being discussed in this thread, which is fair enough........ except it isn't. It's turned into yet another Future Trunks/Black/Zamasu debate.

[Will]

Black timeline was the main timeline up until Trunks arrived and warn Beerus, who then killed Zamasu.

No, it was not. There is no such thing as a "main timeline". Only the "main history", which is the Boo, Beerus, Freeza, Trunks stuff. What you assume is contradicted by multiple plotpoints as well as several issues that your idea overall consists of. It is a combination of bootstrap paradox and alternate timeline. Black always became Black because Trunks always arrived and Beerus always tried to destroy Black.#

... the chart don't show Trunks going to Black's .

You simply do not understand that there is no "Trunks going to Black's timeline" because Black's timeline at that point in time does not exist. And even that part of your thought already has a mass of problems within.

(By main timeline, I just mean the story that we follow, I don't mean the first)

Black's timeline still exist, if there was a Future Trunks in Black Timeline where is he?
He didn't come back to the Future Timeline and there wasn't another future timeline yet.

The chart only show Future Trunks going to Goku's timeline, his future Trunks timeline, the new future timeline, the chart don't show Trunks going to Black's timeline.
Zamasu would know Goku from Gowasu watching Godtube anyways, and could fight under different circumstances.

Black outright told Goku that he's the same Zamasu that he met and the flashback was to Episode 53. That sparring match only happened because Goku wanted to see if Zamasu was Black.

Also, the main timeline was Black's timeline, which is where Trunks arrived. The timeline didn't split until Beerus killed Present Zamasu. That is when the main timeline went into two branches. Up until that point, Goku Black was Present Goku's future.

Because Black was Present Zamasu until the split.
The main history was Black timeline until Trunks arrived, warn Beerus and thus made Beerus kill Zamasu.

If Black timeline was exactly the same that the main history till exactly Beerus killing Zamasu, that would mean that in Black timeline, Beerus/Whis/Goku watched Zamasu kill Gowasu rewind time then they decided to go home instead of doing something about it.

The split between the two the main history and Black timeline, must have happens when Trunks arrived which cause Beerus to go kill Zamasu.

[kinisking]

I know you guys are probably joking, but I don't think it's a cat because the ears don't stick out in the same way Beerus and Champa do. Then again, it could be a different breed of cat but I doubt it.

They're purposefully hiding their faces design wise, until its time to unveil them later on. There's a reason why we only get to see, Beerus', Champa's, U6 Kaioshin and U7 Kaioshin's faces, its because we were introduced to them already.

We would see the ears though if they looked just like Beerus and Champa. But we don't. They might be cats, but they won't look like Beerus and Champa.

[Kanassa]

If large cats are what we are talking about

Please take down that image, that's not cool at all.

I did not see he had a gun in hand, I chose it for size comparison..
Image changed, thanks for pointing that

What was the original image? Shadow the hedgehog-esc Big three cat?

[Kanassa]

So... anyone want to guess at the likelihood of even just one Goddess of Destruction?

If there isn't, better get your swimsuit. Tumblr is going to cry.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Playing on that Pokémon anime conspiracy.
What if at the end of the tournament U7 loses and the Universe gets destroyed but then... Goku wakes up and everything in his life was a dream... Amazing plot twist that would be!

(By him waking up I mean when he bumped his head as a child he was actually in a comma this whole time).

I can just imagine the fan reaction to this given #66.

[Ki Breaker]

Playing on that Pokémon anime conspiracy.
What if at the end of the tournament U7 loses and the Universe gets destroyed but then... Goku wakes up and everything in his life was a dream... Amazing plot twist that would be!

(By him waking up I mean when he bumped his head as a child he was actually in a comma this whole time).

I can just imagine the fan reaction to this given #66.

People would legitimately rage cities would be burned down, very earth would go into chaos and i am not even exaggerating I very much am