"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Playing on that Pokémon anime conspiracy.
What if at the end of the tournament U7 loses and the Universe gets destroyed but then... Goku wakes up and everything in his life was a dream... Amazing plot twist that would be!

(By him waking up I mean when he bumped his head as a child he was actually in a comma this whole time).

I can just imagine the fan reaction to this given #66.

People would legitimately rage cities would be burned down, very earth would go into chaos and i am not even exaggerating I very much am

Is it bad I actually kind of want something like what I predicted to happen...

[Ki Breaker]

Playing on that Pokémon anime conspiracy.
What if at the end of the tournament U7 loses and the Universe gets destroyed but then... Goku wakes up and everything in his life was a dream... Amazing plot twist that would be!

(By him waking up I mean when he bumped his head as a child he was actually in a comma this whole time).

I can just imagine the fan reaction to this given #66.

People would legitimately rage cities would be burned down, very earth would go into chaos and i am not even exaggerating I very much am

Is it bad I actually kind of want something like what I predicted to happen...

I would want that just to see the reaction of others to this, all these years of goku vs xyz, the whole world it built and every forum information will come crashing down, it's all a dream after all..
Damn, it would be huge

[dbs fanboy]

Herms made a translation for the updated chart Toei did about the timelines:
They also talk about Future Trunks's responsability:
"It is split into several histories due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history"
And "Future Omni King who destroy Zamasu along with the entire future universe"

Allright, now i have to ask something, in Toei's timeline chart it is explained that the main timeline has separated into two, one where Zamasu is dead and other where he's alive. In the timeline where Zamasu was alive is where Black was created and which was splitted once Beerus killed present Zamasu.

What the hell am i seeing people talking about casual loop theories or how it doesn't make sense because it's a casual loop theory? It doesn't look like any of that at all and people are making it seem more complex and i'm getting confused.

Maybe it's just my low IQ

The time loop is that Black existed before Goku even met Zamasu and Goku only met Zamasu because he was investigating Black, which only happened because Trunks time traveled to the past. If Trunks never time traveled, Black would have never existed.

Basically:

Black attacks Trunks' time -> Trunks travels to the past to get help -> Black follows him -> Beerus and Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's -> they investigate Black, which leads to Goku fighting Zamasu, him become obsessed with Goku, and learning about the Time Rings -> Zamasu eventually kills Gowasu and take the Time Ring -> He goes one year into the future to get the Super Dragon Balls and take Goku's body -> He goes into Future Trunks' timeline, joins Future Zamasu, and kill the gods -> They eventually attack Earth, leading to Trunks using the Time Machine to get help -> cycle continues

Which is why i still don't see the time loop. It is true that Black triggered his own creation but that doen't mean that he couldn't meet Goku in other way in the original timeline. He still watched Kamitube so in the end he would have ended up meeting Goku anyway. The fact that Zamasu succeeded in his plan, killed Goku and his family, and killed Gowasu, makes the time loop imposible to even exist, because the events that created Black are totally different than those in the main timeline.
The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

But that's not the case so i don't see it, it actually makes things more confusing. But well, we can blame Toei, their lack of explanations leaves a lot of unanswered holes that are up to one's interpretation so no wonder this is still a mess.


Ps:
So now we have thre different Zamasu's alive, the one from the new timeline (sealed away), the one from the unseen timeline and the one from the Cell timeline, so in a way, if Goku and co meet Beerus here, it would mean that Zamasu would meet Goku and carry on with his plan, but as in the cell timeline everyone is dead and there's nobody strong enough to fight a super powered being, there's at least one timeline where Zamasu has 100% won.

Damn it i'm bored

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

[Cetra]

I sent you a PM, DBSFanboy.

[TheMikado]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

To quickly and succinctly put this in perspective, the abime and this chart state that Black the origin one that Trunks is fighting was created from Beerus investigating Zamasu and Goku fighting him. That's what the chart and anime state. They act of investigating Black lead to his own creating through fighting Goku. The problem is that in this original one where Black was created Zamasu was investigated, fought Goku, but for some reason Beerus decided not to kill Zamasu and Zamasu carried out his plan. The question everyone wants to know is why didn't Beerus kill Zamasu in the original timeline which created him as well. The chart and Toei says that's how it played out, not that Zamasu learned of Goku through some other means.

[Will]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

To quickly and succinctly put this in perspective, the abime and this chart state that Black the origin one that Trunks is fighting was created from Beerus investigating Zamasu and Goku fighting him. That's what the chart and anime state. They act of investigating Black lead to his own creating through fighting Goku. The problem is that in this original one where Black was created Zamasu was investigated, fought Goku, but for some reason Beerus decided not to kill Zamasu and Zamasu carried out his plan. The question everyone wants to know is why didn't Beerus kill Zamasu in the original timeline which created him as well. The chart and Toei says that's how it played out, not that Zamasu learned of Goku through some other means.

The chart stated that the main/Goku history and Black timeline were the same but because of Beerus killing Zamasu (because of Trunks coming in the past), the main/Goku history is reorganized in two timeline, the main history and Black timeline:

"The main history is linked to Future Trunks's history. But because Beerus destroyed Zamasu, the main history is reorganized, splitting in two" from the chart
"It is split into several timelines, due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history" from the chart

And the Chart only show Future Trunks going to Goku's history, his Future history and the new future history, not to Black history.

If there was a Trunks in Black timeline, and Beerus was warned, he would have no reason at all to let Zamasu live, it is impossible.
And if there was a Trunks there in Black timeline, where did he go? He never returns to the Future history, and there wasn't another Future history yet.

[Pannaliciour]

Is that time-graph made by toei? Than its true, zeno did only destroy the universe?

[dbs fanboy]

Well i'm off for now, the only conclusion i can get is that this is what has really happened with all the time travel stuff

[TheMikado]

Well i'm off for now, the only conclusion i can get is that this is what has really happened with all the time travel stuff

Holy Crap, he found Toriyamas original outline for Super.

[OmegaRockman]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

To quickly and succinctly put this in perspective, the abime and this chart state that Black the origin one that Trunks is fighting was created from Beerus investigating Zamasu and Goku fighting him. That's what the chart and anime state. They act of investigating Black lead to his own creating through fighting Goku. The problem is that in this original one where Black was created Zamasu was investigated, fought Goku, but for some reason Beerus decided not to kill Zamasu and Zamasu carried out his plan. The question everyone wants to know is why didn't Beerus kill Zamasu in the original timeline which created him as well. The chart and Toei says that's how it played out, not that Zamasu learned of Goku through some other means.

My interpretation is that the split occurs at the point where Whis did his temporal do-over. They literally watched Zamasu kill Gowasu to make sure he was actually planning to do it, right? Then Whis did his do-over. The original timeline where they literally saw Zamasu kill Gowasu is presumably Black's timeline. Of course, this raises the question of how Goku could have had his body stolen if he technically doesn't exist in that timeline anymore due to being a part of the do-over and thus not being in the non-do-over timeline, so I guess it doesn't really work either way.

[Neon Z]

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

To quickly and succinctly put this in perspective, the abime and this chart state that Black the origin one that Trunks is fighting was created from Beerus investigating Zamasu and Goku fighting him. That's what the chart and anime state. They act of investigating Black lead to his own creating through fighting Goku. The problem is that in this original one where Black was created Zamasu was investigated, fought Goku, but for some reason Beerus decided not to kill Zamasu and Zamasu carried out his plan. The question everyone wants to know is why didn't Beerus kill Zamasu in the original timeline which created him as well. The chart and Toei says that's how it played out, not that Zamasu learned of Goku through some other means.

My interpretation is that the split occurs at the point where Whis did his temporal do-over. They literally watched Zamasu kill Gowasu to make sure he was actually planning to do it, right? Then Whis did his do-over. The original timeline where they literally saw Zamasu kill Gowasu is presumably Black's timeline. Of course, this raises the question of how Goku could have had his body stolen if he technically doesn't exist in that timeline anymore due to being a part of the do-over and thus not being in the non-do-over timeline, so I guess it doesn't really work either way.

That also doesn't work because we see Gowasu's assassination in Black's timeline and in that one, and they were slightly different (dying on the table vs dying on the nearby courtyard).

[Lord Beerus]

Well i'm off for now, the only conclusion i can get is that this is what has really happened with all the time travel stuff
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Holy Crap, he found Toriyamas original outline for Super.

Hahahahaha!!!

[HeroR]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

Toyotaro most likely got rid of the time loop to save time and condense the story, necessarily because he saw it as flawed.

[Ki Breaker]

Well i'm off for now, the only conclusion i can get is that this is what has really happened with all the time travel stuff
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Holy Crap, he found Toriyamas original outline for Super.

Damn! We got our canon in our hands now boys, everything is so crystal clear

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The only way this could have been a time loop, would be if present Zamasu succeeded as well and killed our Goku, to then travel to Trunks's timeline.

That's literally exactly what this chart says happened, as well as what the anime implies. Only the manga version got rid of the loop, probably because Toyotaro realized the flaw.

Toyotaro most likely got rid of the time loop to save time and condense the story, necessarily because he saw it as flawed.

Yeah, and maybe I replied to this because I thought it would make my screen spit out gold. I'm going to go with the more likely assumption that Toyotaro isn't a moron and decided to put 30 seconds of thought into his rendition.

[HeroR]

Yeah, and maybe I replied to this because I thought it would make my screen spit out gold. I'm going to go with the more likely assumption that Toyotaro isn't a moron and decided to put 30 seconds of thought into his rendition.

Is there a reason for this statement other than you deciding be a jerk? You can have left this entire part out, but whatever. This seems to be your thing.

The fact remains that Toyotaro is doing a abridge version of the Future Trunks Saga. So cutting the stable time loop saves him time in the long run since he didn't need Goku meeting Zamasu and have that being the trigger. Instead, he had Zamasu become obsessed with Goku through Godtube and U7 Supreme Kai conveniently visiting Zamasu on the day Future Trunks arrives and mentioning Majin Buu, despite Buu being killed years ago.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Is there a reason for this statement other than you deciding be a jerk? You can have left this entire part out, but whatever. This seems to be your thing.

The fact remains that Toyotaro is doing a abridge version of the Future Trunks Saga. So cutting the stable time loop saves him time in the long run since he didn't need Goku meeting Zamasu and have that being the trigger. Instead, he had Zamasu become obsessed with Goku through Godtube and U7 Supreme Kai conveniently visiting Zamasu on the day Future Trunks arrives and mentioning Majin Buu, despite Buu being killed years ago.

I'm a jerk because I said that Toyotaro isn't an idiot? That's the only thing I can think of that you could even construe that way. Unless you find exaggerations and analogies offensive.

[HeroR]

Is there a reason for this statement other than you deciding be a jerk? You can have left this entire part out, but whatever. This seems to be your thing.

The fact remains that Toyotaro is doing a abridge version of the Future Trunks Saga. So cutting the stable time loop saves him time in the long run since he didn't need Goku meeting Zamasu and have that being the trigger. Instead, he had Zamasu become obsessed with Goku through Godtube and U7 Supreme Kai conveniently visiting Zamasu on the day Future Trunks arrives and mentioning Majin Buu, despite Buu being killed years ago.

I'm a jerk because I said that Toyotaro isn't an idiot? That's the only thing I can think of that you could even construe that way.

I said you were being a jerk for the bolded statement, which was completely unneeded for your point.

and maybe I replied to this because I thought it would make my screen spit out gold

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I said you were being a jerk for the bolded statement, which was completely unneeded for your point.

and maybe I replied to this because I thought it would make my screen spit out gold

I'm confused, do you not like analogies? If you have a problem, you can PM me if you want.