"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

It doesn't seem like Buu's defeat happened years before when Vegeta is training with the goal of surpassing Goku. It seems like Buu was only recently defeated and soon after it Satan received the prize and Gohan decided to marry Videl when both of them are still young like Goku also did. This is why no one is aging yet.
I think Toei left it way too vague though.

Gohan and Videl would still be in high school if this was only six months from the Buu Saga. Not Gohan trying to get a high paying job. And everyone not aging means nothing when no one aged in the BOG movie, which was stated to be four years after Buu. Marron also didn't aged in the Resurrection 'F' movie that takes place a year after BOG. Plus, Old Kai said that Beerus was asleep for 39 years, the same time period giving in the movie.

[Bullza]

Did they say old Bulma was in the anime at her birthday?

[HeroR]

Did they say old Bulma was in the anime at her birthday?

No. That line was cut.

[Nejishiki]

Isn't Super set 6 months after the wish to erase Buu memories? Why would Vegeta keep his promise 4 years later? And if you say only the first episodes take place 6 months after the wish then why would Bulma decide to make her birthday on a ship if she only does it 4 years late?
Only BoG was set 4 years after Buu's defeat and RoF is actually set 3 years after that so Toriyama has already retconned EoZ first by making that gap not so peaceful and then Bulma's line makes no longer sense.
I think that to fit DBS in that 10 year gap better they have decided to retcon Pan's age. Beerus Arc would happen around 1-1.5 years after Buu's death, maybe in Age 776.

I would like someone to correct me if I'm wrong though. By the way WSJ also stated Super takes place 6 months after Buu's death...

The Dragon Ball Super anime continuity states 6 months have passed since Boo's defeat. After that, it claims, "A few months rolled by.", so the exact placements are up in the air. I can't recall what promise you're referring to. Vegeta taking Trunks out? That happens within or past a year in Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity.

Anyway (accounting for how everything went down before Dragon Ball Super), Boo is defeated in AGE 774, memories of Boo were erased six months later, Tarble visits Dragon Team in AGE 776, the Battle of Gods film takes place in AGE 778, the Resurrection F film is set in AGE 779, and Dragon Ball's ending takes place in AGE 784. Bluma claims Goku last visited her in AGE 779 "in between 'training trips'". Actually, could someone remind me when it's stated 10 years "of peace" were had? I generally accept that yet I couldn't find that line in particular when I quickly skimmed through my volume. I only caught 10 years passing at all with no specification of how they were had. It would be enlightening if there was an universal misunderstanding!

With that out of the way, Dragon Ball Super's dual continuities aren't following the established events as previously portrayed.

[Omori]

Isn't Super set 6 months after the wish to erase Buu memories? Why would Vegeta keep his promise 4 years later? And if you say only the first episodes take place 6 months after the wish then why would Bulma decide to make her birthday on a ship if she only does it 4 years late?
Only BoG was set 4 years after Buu's defeat and RoF is actually set 3 years after that so Toriyama has already retconned EoZ first by making that gap not so peaceful and then Bulma's line makes no longer sense.
I think that to fit DBS in that 10 year gap better they have decided to retcon Pan's age. Beerus Arc would happen around 1-1.5 years after Buu's death, maybe in Age 776.

I would like someone to correct me if I'm wrong though. By the way WSJ also stated Super takes place 6 months after Buu's death...

The Dragon Ball Super anime continuity states 6 months have passed since Boo's defeat. After that, it claims, "A few months rolled by.", so the exact placements are up in the air. I can't recall what promise you're referring to. Vegeta taking Trunks out? That happens within or past a year in Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity.

Anyway (accounting for how everything went down before Dragon Ball Super), Boo is defeated in AGE 774, memories of Boo were erased six months later, Tarble visits Dragon Team in AGE 776, the Battle of Gods film takes place in AGE 778, the Resurrection F film is set in AGE 779, and Dragon Ball's ending takes place in AGE 784. Bluma claims Goku last visited her in AGE 779 "in between 'training trips'". Actually, could someone remind me when it's stated 10 years "of peace" were had? I generally accept that yet I couldn't find that line in particular when I quickly skimmed through my volume. I only caught 10 years passing at all with no specification of how they were had. It would be enlightening if there was an universal misunderstanding!

With that out of the way, Dragon Ball Super's dual continuities aren't following the established events as previously portrayed.

For me it's clear why they removed the "4 years after Buu" or why the BoG Arc happened shortly after Goku getting the price from Satan or Vegeta fulfilling the promise to Trunks. They need enough space for upcoming Super stories! The events in Super are obviously in another 'age' than in the two movies. 778/779 were just for these two films.
There's more evidence: Tarble was mentioned in BoG, but not in the arc in Super. He doesn't exist and we'll probably don't see him in Super. Also, as mentioned above the reference to Uub in Episode 30 being 'just born'.

Therefore I expect to have these exact ages AFTER Super will end at some point. The only 'problem' would be Pans age. Maybe they'll find a 'workaround' making her younger again. In terms of the age of Goten, Trunks and Maron the current Super events happening BEFORE age 778 would make more sense. And also considering the "5 year line".

About the 10 years, well in the manga they just mentioned than 10 years passed, not if they were entirely peaceful.

[ArchedThunder]

The Dragon Ball Super anime continuity states 6 months have passed since Boo's defeat. After that, it claims, "A few months rolled by.", so the exact placements are up in the air. I can't recall what promise you're referring to. Vegeta taking Trunks out? That happens within or past a year in Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity.

I translation I saw was "Some time has passed", no mention of months.
Also not all of the events in the first few episodes have to happen at the same time or one after another, the Beerus stuff could be long after Vegeta's vacation for example.

[Bullza]

And now that I've finished Jaco here's another weird timeline problem.

Bulma was supposed to be 5 during the events of Jaco. In Dragon Ball Minus they mention that Goku has been in the incubator for 3 years hence he's 3 years old and obviously would be 2 years younger than Bulma.

Which would mean at the start of Dragon Ball when Bulma is said to be 16 then Goku would be 14 which was what he actually said himself originally until the Tournament where he said he was actually 12.

So what's up with that?

[ArchedThunder]

And now that I've finished Jaco here's another weird timeline problem.

Bulma was supposed to be 5 during the events of Jaco. In Dragon Ball Minus they mention that Goku has been in the incubator for 3 years hence he's 3 years old and obviously would be 2 years younger than Bulma.

Which would mean at the start of Dragon Ball when Bulma is said to be 16 then Goku would be 14 which was what he actually said himself originally until the Tournament where he said he was actually 12.

So what's up with that?

Goku is 3 years older than we thought previously, so when he said he was 14, but was supposedly actually 12 he was in all actuality 15 (or near it).

[mabalia]

I have a different understanding. I interpret this as Bulma lying about her age and it's canon she lies about her age (remember her birthday party in BOG movie when she told everyone she's 38 years old).

Some young girls likes to be seen as older and more mature, so I think it's possible for a 14 years old Bulma to lie her age to look like a 16 years old.

But we won't know for sure the characters correct ages until official sources (after DB Minus) states this. What we know is that Bulma is just 2 years older than Goku.

[kinisking]

And now that I've finished Jaco here's another weird timeline problem.

Bulma was supposed to be 5 during the events of Jaco. In Dragon Ball Minus they mention that Goku has been in the incubator for 3 years hence he's 3 years old and obviously would be 2 years younger than Bulma.

Which would mean at the start of Dragon Ball when Bulma is said to be 16 then Goku would be 14 which was what he actually said himself originally until the Tournament where he said he was actually 12.

So what's up with that?

Goku is 3 years older than we thought previously, so when he said he was 14, but was supposedly actually 12 he was in all actuality 15 (or near it).

I have a few questions regarding that then. Does the incubator halt aging? So was he 3 chronologically but a baby biologically?

If not, how do we know that he wasn't legitimately 12? Maybe they knew he was 3.

[Bullza]

So then was Goku still born in Age 737?

The events of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman take place in Age 740?

Battle of Gods takes place in Age 778 and he had that prophecy 39 years ago and went to sleep in Age 739 which would be a year before Planet Vegeta was destroyed...which would make sense because he asked if it was destroyed when he woke up.

Did Toriyama mess up by changing Goku from 14 to 12 or did Toriyama forget that he changed it when he wrote Jaco?

[ArchedThunder]

So then was Goku still born in Age 737?

The events of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman take place in Age 740?

Battle of Gods takes place in Age 778 and he had that prophecy 39 years ago and went to sleep in Age 739 which would be a year before Planet Vegeta was destroyed...which would make sense because he asked if it was destroyed when he woke up.

Did Toriyama mess up by changing Goku from 14 to 12 or did Toriyama forget that he changed it when he wrote Jaco?

No, the only thing that changed was Goku's birth year. Goku, nor Gohan new when he was born, so I guess Gohan just started counting from when he found him.

If not, how do we know that he wasn't legitimately 12? Maybe they knew he was 3.

No, the incubator was for him to grow in until he was old enough to do stuff, if I remember correctly.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So then was Goku still born in Age 737?

The events of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman take place in Age 740?

Battle of Gods takes place in Age 778 and he had that prophecy 39 years ago and went to sleep in Age 739 which would be a year before Planet Vegeta was destroyed...which would make sense because he asked if it was destroyed when he woke up.

The start of DB is in AGE 749, and Omori's statement of the tale being 10 years prior sets it in 739. Goku's either born in 736 if you take Gine's statement literally, or possibly still 737 if you want to round it out and assume he was born at the start and count them in full (737, 738, 739).

[Alee9977]

There isn't really a big problem, Goku was never sure how old he was in the first place. Maybe when Gohan finds him he though he was born recently because Goku doesn't know how to talk or walk because he was in the incubator for 3 years

[HeroR]

The Dragon Ball Super anime continuity states 6 months have passed since Boo's defeat. After that, it claims, "A few months rolled by.", so the exact placements are up in the air. I can't recall what promise you're referring to. Vegeta taking Trunks out? That happens within or past a year in Dragon Ball Super's anime continuity.

I translation I saw was "Some time has passed", no mention of months.
Also not all of the events in the first few episodes have to happen at the same time or one after another, the Beerus stuff could be long after Vegeta's vacation for example.

The Beerus stuff couldn't have happened at the same time as the Earth events. Old Kai said that Beerus was a wake for half a day. At least a day past between Episodes 1 and 2. And Bulma couldn't have planned her party in less than a day after seeing the ship in Episode 2.

[Bullza]

Well Omori said around 10 years ago. Dragon Ball started in September Age 749 so the events of Jaco could I suppose be early Age 740 and Goku could be born in Age 737 so he'd be 3.

I'm just trying to see where this has gone wrong

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Timeline

That's saying that Goku was born in Age 737 so that's ok. Then it mentions Vegeta's destruction and the Bardock movies as also being Age 737 but that would be inconsistent right? Goku was only just born in those movies so is Age 737 the non canon year that Vegeta was destroyed and Age 739/740 the canon year?

It also mentions how Jaco was sent on his mission to Earth in Age 737 but the events of Jaco happened in Age 739. So that doesn't add up.

This page

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_o ... s_and_ages

Says Goku was born in Age 734 in Minus and Age 737 in the Daizenshuu. The former is wrong then?

[HeroR]

Well Omori said around 10 years ago. Dragon Ball started in September Age 749 so the events of Jaco could I suppose be early Age 740 and Goku could be born in Age 737 so he'd be 3.

I'm just trying to see where this has gone wrong

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Timeline

That's saying that Goku was born in Age 737 so that's ok. Then it mentions Vegeta's destruction and the Bardock movies as also being Age 737 but that would be inconsistent right? Goku was only just born in those movies so is Age 737 the non canon year that Vegeta was destroyed and Age 739/740 the canon year?

It also mentions how Jaco was sent on his mission to Earth in Age 737 but the events of Jaco happened in Age 739. So that doesn't add up.

This page

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_o ... s_and_ages

Says Goku was born in Age 734 in Minus and Age 737 in the Daizenshuu. The former is wrong then?

That is based on the Bardock TV special where Goku was born the same year Planet Vegeta was destroyed. In Minus, Goku was three when Vegeta got destroyed. Planet Vegeta was destroyed 39 years from the timeline of BOG, since that was when Beerus was told he would fight a Super Saiyan God and knew Freeza was going to destroy Planet Vegeta, on his order or he just approved of it. So just take the date of when BOG takes place and subtract 39 years. Then subtract another three to get what year Goku was born.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

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Yes, as tend to be the norm, the wiki is filled with incorrect information. The problem in cases like this one generally being that the people making the edits don't seem to fully acknowledge separate continuities. The aforementioned Planet Vegeta situation being a prime example. One continuity has it destroyed in 737, another in 739. You don't try and smoosh the things together and make all the events apply to each continuity for one, singular "truth".

AGE 737 was the year Vegeta was blown up in the Bardock special, however the information in Jaco contradicts that. Meaning you don't keep that TV Special year and try to work around it to get new birth years and stuff for Goku in Jaco. You use the new Jaco year, 739, and work from there.

[Bullza]

I see, so we have two separate years where Planet Vegeta was destroyed then. A little confusing but what can you do.

Edit: That said though in Herms thread about the History of Ever he lists Goku as being born in Age 737 as was stated in the Daizenshuu but then he also mentions Planet Vegeta being destroyed and Goku landing on Earth for the same year.

He also mentions that the Daizenshuu stated that Goku fell off a cliff at hit his head in Age 738.

[HeroR]

I see, so we have two separate years where Planet Vegeta was destroyed then. A little confusing but what can you do.

Edit: That said though in Herms thread about the History of Ever he lists Goku as being born in Age 737 as was stated in the Daizenshuu but then he also mentions Planet Vegeta being destroyed and Goku landing on Earth for the same year.

He also mentions that the Daizenshuu stated that Goku fell off a cliff at hit his head in Age 738.

Again, those Daizenshuu were based on the Bardock TV Special. Until 2013 when Jaco was released, nothing in the manga went against the special, so it was considered 'canon' to the main continuity. However, when Toriyama made Jaco he gave different dates compared to the special. Planet Vegeta, in Toriyama's continuity, was officially destroyed 39 years ago from BOG and Goku was three years old, not a newborn, when he went to Earth. When Goku hit his head is unknown. We don't even know how long Goku was by himself after he killed Grandpa Gohan.

You have to considered the Bardock TV Special and Minus are two different continuities with their own timeline. For BOG, Resurrection 'F', and Super, they follow the timeline giving by Jaco and Minus, not the TV Special. The Daizenshuu are based on the special.