Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Doctor.]

I think they're both fine, I really only dislike the noses on Yamamuro's designs. When the characters are on-model, they're really good designs, though. I do prefer Karasawa's style, but he's fucking fantastic on every front.

I'd hate to have someone like, say, Tate as our character designer, even though he's a much better animator than Yamamuro is.

[nite_jay]

I wanted to repost what Ajay pointed this out on his twitter (I hope you Ajay doesn't mind using the images he posted on twitter ) and is that Karasawa is deviating his style from Yamamuro and he's starting to fix problems like the noses and the jaw width.

Karasawa on the left and Yamamuro on the right.

I think that Karasawa could make a fine character designer. He doesn't seem too stuck in the past but he still knows what made the Dragonball anime look good. Even when he applys the highlights, they still don't take much away from his character art.

[kinisking]

Noticed Mazingerdestro on that picture of Ajay's. He seems to be mistaking Karasawa for Shimanuki. I don't have a twitter so i'm posting this here because I know he has an account.

[kinisking]

I think they're both fine, I really only dislike the noses on Yamamuro's designs. When the characters are on-model, they're really good designs, though. I do prefer Karasawa's style though, but he's fucking fantastic on every front.

I'd hate to have someone like, say, Tate as our character designer, even though he's a much better animator than Yamamuro is.

Agree on Tate. Character designs aren't animation, and Tate has never really stood out when it comes to his drawings.

[Noah]

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I'm probably on a minority here but I do prefer Yamamuro style, in the right shot the colors look more vivid, even though people may don't like much highlights, I think it looks better.

[Sodhi]

I tweeted to him, that he is probably talking about shimanuki.

[kinisking]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I'm probably on a minority here but I do prefer Yamamuro style, in the right shot the colors look more vivid, even though people may don't like much highlights, I think it looks better.

I like Yamamuro too. Don't really understand the hate for his art style.

[JulieYBM]

I've been wanting BANK animation for a long time. Hopefully they'll be able to better incorporate it down the line.

[z_cherub]

Well, Karasawa's image is really good, it doesn't have those annoying white triangles and doesn't have that odd shiny effect on it, maybe it's because Goku was without his aura but it looks better in this way. I'm starting to see what is wrong with Yamamuro and why everybody dislikes him.

I like his shading much better, but I don't care for his perportions - particularly the larger than necessary eyes...

[Hit!!]

Just watched the episode again in HD and I have to say the first 12 minutes of the episode have some of best animation and fight choreography the franchise has ever seen. I mean, Studio Cockpit-level animation and fight choreography. The Shida cut alone is better than anything I've ever seen in the DB, Z, GT, the TV specials or the movies.

That Shida cut was great, but let's not get too carried away.

The animation of Dead Zone and The Worlds Strongest to me is the best the whole franchise has ever seen.

Also, Shida did another cut in the BOG movie that is actually better than this one (the one where Goku screems "i will not let you destroy my woooooooorld"). Where i do agree with you is that it is probably one of the best cuts in the franchise, but i'm not completely sure of that, because there are some insane cuts in the first 2 arcs of DBZ.

[Sodhi]

For some reason I love this cut to this day. I think its one of the best.
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/18385 ... l-dragon_b

[kinisking]

So, I remember everyone stating their favorite animators in the beginning of this thread. Anyone change their opinions? Mine was Kitano and Ishikawa, but now it's definitely Karasawa and Tate.

[nite_jay]

Just watched the episode again in HD and I have to say the first 12 minutes of the episode have some of best animation and fight choreography the franchise has ever seen. I mean, Studio Cockpit-level animation and fight choreography. The Shida cut alone is better than anything I've ever seen in the DB, Z, GT, the TV specials or the movies.

That Shida cut was great, but let's not get too carried away.

The animation of Dead Zone and The Worlds Strongest to me is the best the whole franchise has ever seen.

Also, Shida did another cut in the BOG movie that is actually better than this one (the one where Goku screems "i will not let you destroy my woooooooorld"). Where i do agree with you is that it is probably one of the best cuts in the franchise, but i'm not completely sure of that, because there are some insane cuts in the first 2 arcs of DBZ.

The first 2 arcs had some good animation but I don't remember anything that really comes close to Shida's most recent cut. Seigasha and Junio had probably the best cuts around those first 2 arcs but even then they weren't that special. The first 15 seconds of that cut pretty much outclassed a lot of Dragonball animation, movies included.

[Avok]

Yamamuro's piece linked above is pretty bad. Looks like those Naruto manga panels we used to colour back in the day on a summer afternoon.

Not to mention the ugly (and wide) face and nose.

[Anime Kitten]

So, I remember everyone stating their favorite animators in the beginning of this thread. Anyone change their opinions?

Ishikawa followed by Tate. But that's what it's been for quite some time.

[GodKaio-Ken]

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I'm probably on a minority here but I do prefer Yamamuro style, in the right shot the colors look more vivid, even though people may don't like much highlights, I think it looks better.

Aside from the nose I'm with you 100% that I think the one on the right looks better.

[Hit!!]

Just watched the episode again in HD and I have to say the first 12 minutes of the episode have some of best animation and fight choreography the franchise has ever seen. I mean, Studio Cockpit-level animation and fight choreography. The Shida cut alone is better than anything I've ever seen in the DB, Z, GT, the TV specials or the movies.

That Shida cut was great, but let's not get too carried away.

The animation of Dead Zone and The Worlds Strongest to me is the best the whole franchise has ever seen.

Also, Shida did another cut in the BOG movie that is actually better than this one (the one where Goku screems "i will not let you destroy my woooooooorld"). Where i do agree with you is that it is probably one of the best cuts in the franchise, but i'm not completely sure of that, because there are some insane cuts in the first 2 arcs of DBZ.

The first 2 arcs had some good animation but I don't remember anything that really comes close to Shida's most recent cut. Seigasha and Junio had probably the best cuts around those first 2 arcs but even then they weren't that special. The first 15 seconds of that cut pretty much outclassed a lot of Dragonball animation, movies included.

Just from the top of my head, this is one of the best pieces of animation in Dragon Ball everything i've ever seen in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0rrht-rhU0

There are also some crazy scenes in the Goku vs Vegeta fight in the saiyan arc and in Goku vs Frieza and in SSJ Goku vs Frieza. Its really hard to point a finger on which is the best in the whole franchise.

Shida's cut in episode 57 of DBS was really really good, but i've yet to see a cut like that first part of that video in DBS. Of course, with modern animation. Imagine that same cut with 2016 visuals and technology.

Now, as i said before, Shida's cut in DBS is one of the best in the whole franchise, but I'm still not sure its THE best. Get what i mean??

[BakaManiaHD]

What happened to Zamasu's eyes?

Before his Zuno Visit:

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After his Zuno Visit:

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[jjgp1112]

I still say some of the Studio Junio episodes from the King Piccolo saga to around the Frieza saga stand as the best animated stuff to come from the main series excluding the movies (Masaki Sato's a god!) but this episode is definitely up there. When Yamamuro got promoted to the head of Shindou Pro it seemed the Maeda Minoru team took a hit and their episodes weren't as good anymore, while the Shindou episodes looked pretty great (although not up to par with peak Junio as far as the actual animation)

[ArchedThunder]

What happened to Zamasu's eyes?

Before his Zuno Visit:

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After his Zuno Visit:

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He's consistently drawn with thick eye lines, but sometimes they forget. The bottom is more accurate to how he's been drawn most of the time.

Yeah, they reused the Kamehameha shot from #48, but redrew the hair and mouth:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/6e0osqB.png[/mg]

They also took Goku's charge from the start of the episode and reused it later on minus the aura:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Lld3nRN.png[img]

I didn't notice that second one at all. That bit of reuse reminds me of the kind of animation reuse they used to do back in the original 3 series.