"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[VegettoEX]

It's promoting an article within the February 2017 issue of Animedia. I ordered a copy.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Neat, I look forward to any revelations.

[emperior]

If it was over 10 years then it could fit with the guide but it would still make several other things weird.

If the Universe 6 saga was in Age 780 and Uub would be 6 years old then it makes no sense for Vegeta to refer to him a newborn.

Whichever it ends up being it was done in a very poor way.

To be honest that very same episode Vegeta said both he and Goku probably reached their limits and that was proven to be bullshit

[Bullza]

And you're cherry-picking information that supports your own view. Not the first time either.

There's no cherry picking involved with multiple things that were said plainly in the show.

Kid and Future Trunks differ mentally and in their personality only. There's no reason why one Trunks at 14 should be significantly taller and older looking than another Trunks at 14. It makes no difference that they were brought up differently. That one Trunks was brought up in a peaceful world and one was brought up in a hellish world is obviously not a reason as for why the one Trunks is a foot taller than the other. That's just silly to even say.

Besides which if anyone was going to be taller it'd be the present Trunks who grew up stress free with the healthier food.

Vegeta has no clue when Uub was born, that is a fact.

Then there's no need for him to specify he's a newborn or have the writer of the episode go out of their way to tell viewers that only for the actual intention for him to be a child and just confuse people for no reason.

Bulma's five year line can be ignored and dropped whenever they reached the EOZ.

Which is something you are only saying out of convenience. You stick to what the guides say even though information from that has been ignored in the series before whilst ignoring what was said in the series itself.

If Bulma during EoZ had not seen Goku for 5 years then the many times she saw Goku throughout the Universe 6 saga, Future Trunks saga, that recent filler episode and the upcoming episode with pregnant Bulma would be contradictory with what was said unless all these events happened more than 5 years ago.

So either there's huge inconsistency problems, the ending has been completely retconned or the year dates are different.

[alakazam^]

I won't address Trunks because it's plausible enough in this series for them to be this different at the same age but I'll address some other points:

As far as I know, the only official timeline with dates is the one in Super's webpage (or was it Toei's?) but that one is describing the movies so we can disregard it.

As for Oob, Goku tells Vegeeta he was told by Enma that Boo was reborn into a human kid and Vegeeta says that he can't compete because of having "just been born". There's several things to take from this. Vegeeta doesn't need to know when Oob was born because he knows how long has been since they fought Boo so he just counts from that, which could suggest it hasn't been very long before. One could argue that a 1/2 year-old hasn't "just been born" but a 5 year-old certainly hasn't. They both couldn't enter the tournament anyway, though. Next, Goku didn't correct Vegeeta, he just agreed with his assumption and, since this an anime-only exchange, we know the writer specifically wrote it with some idea in mind and their lines represent that.

Lastly, the script for episode 1 that specified "several months". Of course, it ended up being changed but that notion of time existed at some point, at least.

Really, the only problem with this assumption is Gohan and Viidel but, maybe, if they were in their graduation year in the Boo arc this could still fit? Either way, either Pan's age or the 5 year line has already been changed.

[Alee9977]

At this point I would say that EoZ will be retconned somehow with all the new characters and they won't make Uub relevant now. We should be watching Super pretending that we don't know that EoZ will happen later.

I just thought, Bra will be able to go SSB easily like Goten or Trunks? Also she will have a tail when she is born although it is useless nowadays

[Jinzoningen MULE]

At this point I would say that EoZ will be retconned somehow with all the new characters and they won't make Uub relevant now. We should be watching Super pretending that we don't know that EoZ will happen later.

I would have agreed before, but now that Bra is going to be born, I'm thinking more and more that things will tie into the EoZ. Probably sooner rather than later.

[sintzu]

At this point I would say that EoZ will be retconned somehow with all the new characters and they won't make Uub relevant now. We should be watching Super pretending that we don't know that EoZ will happen later.

I would have agreed before, but now that Bra i going to be born, I'm thinking more and more that things will tie into the EoZ. Probably sooner rather than later.

I think we'll still get EOZ but it'll be a little different to take into account the new changes made with the current stories.

[Alee9977]

At this point I would say that EoZ will be retconned somehow with all the new characters and they won't make Uub relevant now. We should be watching Super pretending that we don't know that EoZ will happen later.

I would have agreed before, but now that Bra i going to be born, I'm thinking more and more that things will tie into the EoZ. Probably sooner rather than later.

Yes, but or Uub's age will be retconned, or Pan and Bra's will.
I'm 85% sure that we are in 780 right now so if it is this way then Uub will be like 6 or 7 in the tournament if what Vegeta said is correct

[Kishido]

No matter how you twist it... But even if EoZ can still be canon while Goku having SSG and who knows what will come up... What for gods sake should make him excited about Uub? It is "just" Kid Buu after all...

It's not like he has already fought way stronger opponents like Beerus, Hit hell or even Vegeta... So even with training Uub I doubt he would benefit from it

So either they will recton it with Uub maybe have some mnor role and not like in the ending or I dunno... Maybe the experiences of Super wil be somehow erased.

Not even talking about the Bulma statement... Still asking myself how Vegeta was able to stay away from Goku as sparring partner for so long LOL

[Alee9977]

I don't see Toei or Toriyama making these experiences useless by errasing them, most likely EoZ will be retconned and Uub will be useless until the next generation of warriors arrives

[Grimlock]

I'm 85% sure that we are in 780 right now so if it is this way then Uub will be like 6 or 7 in the tournament if what Vegeta said is correct

Obviously what Vegeta said isn't correct, it's a manga statement against an anime one. Which one do you think it's more valid?

[Dbzfan94]

When are we getting the new opening?

[Khin]

When are we getting the new opening?

The new opening will debut in first episode of the new arc, which would be episode #77 (February 5). If that's what you're asking.

[Alee9977]

It would be cool if after EoZ and if Super continue after that, Gohan and Videl have another child called Gomen...

[kinisking]

No matter how you twist it... But even if EoZ can still be canon while Goku having SSG and who knows what will come up... What for gods sake should make him excited about Uub? It is "just" Kid Buu after all...

It's not like he has already fought way stronger opponents like Beerus, Hit hell or even Vegeta... So even with training Uub I doubt he would benefit from it

So either they will recton it with Uub maybe have some mnor role and not like in the ending or I dunno... Maybe the experiences of Super wil be somehow erased.

Not even talking about the Bulma statement... Still asking myself how Vegeta was able to stay away from Goku as sparring partner for so long LOL

Simple, oob starts off with a power level of kid boo. With training he could become exponentially stronger. If freeza can become God level in 4 months, oob could do it too.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

No matter how you twist it... But even if EoZ can still be canon while Goku having SSG and who knows what will come up... What for gods sake should make him excited about Uub? It is "just" Kid Buu after all...

It's not like he has already fought way stronger opponents like Beerus, Hit hell or even Vegeta... So even with training Uub I doubt he would benefit from it

So either they will recton it with Uub maybe have some mnor role and not like in the ending or I dunno... Maybe the experiences of Super wil be somehow erased.

Not even talking about the Bulma statement... Still asking myself how Vegeta was able to stay away from Goku as sparring partner for so long LOL

Simple, oob starts off with a power level of kid boo. With training he could become exponentially stronger. If freeza can become God level in 4 months, oob could do it too.

Even if he doesn't start off as strong as Boo, Goku is training him. Oob would learn God Ki, how to perfectly control his movements. This, as well as having a base potential far greater than Goku could still easily make him a challenge.

[SansrivaaL]

Still hard to take this whole Goku being excited about Oob thing seriously, There's Beerus/Whis/Vados/Grand Priest and 2 freaking Zeno's, either they instantly disappear in the upcoming future or somehow uses the dragon balls to make everyone forget about Goku and his friends meeting the Gods and beyond I just cant buy it... I can understand that Oob can get stronger, but more stronger than the Gods and above? its just hard to take.

Then again that all happened in the past where Toriyama didnt have any plans about the Gods of destruction/ 12 universes/ angels and all that shiz, so either we get a retcon since he's ok with doing stuffs like that or they go with its an alternate timeline shiz or memory loss via dragon balls, not that I'd have a problem with what comes down the road.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Still hard to take this whole Goku being excited about Oob thing seriously, There's Beerus/Whis/Vados/Grand Priest and 2 freaking Zeno's, either they instantly disappear in the upcoming future or somehow uses the dragon balls to make everyone forget about Goku and his friends meeting the Gods and beyond I just cant buy it... I can understand that Oob can get stronger, but more stronger than the Gods and above? its just hard to take.

Why would he have to be stronger than the gods? You only need to accept one thing for the EoZ to still make sense; Oob has the potential to rival Goku in the future. Since Goku is literally training him first-hand for years, it's a pretty reasonable assumption.

[SansrivaaL]

Still hard to take this whole Goku being excited about Oob thing seriously, There's Beerus/Whis/Vados/Grand Priest and 2 freaking Zeno's, either they instantly disappear in the upcoming future or somehow uses the dragon balls to make everyone forget about Goku and his friends meeting the Gods and beyond I just cant buy it... I can understand that Oob can get stronger, but more stronger than the Gods and above? its just hard to take.

Why would he have to be stronger than the gods? You only need to accept one thing for the EoZ to still make sense; Oob has the potential to rival Goku in the future. Since Goku is literally training him first-hand for years, it's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Cause of the way they showed the final chapter, like how Goku hasnt been that happy for a long time (implying he hasnt had a challenge and has no one to challenge to make him excited as he is with knowing Oob's potential)
Back then it was believable since a lot of us thought Goku's the most powerful fighter in EoZ hence looking for someone to give him a challenge and thats Oob, but now we have the Gods/angels/Zeno who are way above Goku. I find it weird that he'd go through all the trouble to train Oob just to fight with someone that could rival him when there are now tons of characters that rivals him and are far beyond his reach.