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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:43 am

Kaboom wrote:
Rocketman wrote:Because fuck Broly.
Despite this statement's... "bluntness," I'd have to agree. It really doesn't matter if it's some alternate version or whatever. Broly is Broly. I and a lot of others are just plain sick of the character at this point, regardless of how he's used. Featuring him so prominently is little more than an appeal to the lowest common denominator of the fandom.

But... all joking aside, I hope we can try to chillax a bit and just see where this goes...
I'm as cool as a cucumber in a freezer in Siberia.

Whether you like him or hate em, Broly's strength in this storyline is up for interpretation. Either way all three of us can agree this fight is overblown and should move on. If Gogeta Jr severs his drawing hand on a band saw before finishing the doujinshi, I am sure we would like to see more interesting match up's finished then this one.

P.S. No disrespect to Gogeta Jr's drawing hand. I hope all his limbs and extremeties remain safely uncomprimised for all his days. :mrgreen:

P.S. Broly rocks! His power is maximum!

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:15 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Scarz wrote:I didn't even notice the bonus images in Salagir comments of the Dragonball girls wearing dresses. Hey DBM if you want fan-service done right why didn't you just call me?
His door is always open to artwork, I believe.
Really now? *Rubs hands menacingly* Let's see what I can get away with or this case, what they would accept.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:18 am

Scarz wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Scarz wrote:I didn't even notice the bonus images in Salagir comments of the Dragonball girls wearing dresses. Hey DBM if you want fan-service done right why didn't you just call me?
His door is always open to artwork, I believe.
Really now? *Rubs hands menacingly* Let's see what I can get away with or this case, what they would except.
Oh eeeh-gad no! :shock:

Your artwork rocks Scarz. I am terrified but happily so at the prospect of seeing Salagir & c.o. make use of it. 8)

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Xyex » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:10 pm

Got bored, decided to do a simple coloring of one of the pages.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:48 pm

I still don't understand where all the Broly hate is coming from. Please don't tell me it's because he has some ignorant fans.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Rocketman » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:06 am

goku the krump dancer wrote:I still don't understand where all the Broly hate is coming from. Please don't tell me it's because he has some ignorant fans.
"It's because he's drastically overstated. Yes, Broly does manage to kick everybody's ass during his movie. Whoopee-fucking doo. Every other movie villain does the same thing. But somehow it's Broly who gets all the fanboyism about how he could fight the fused characters or GT characters or anybody at Cell or above and win. It's Broly who gets to beat on Gogeta in every video game opening since Budokai 3. It's Broly who gets shoved into a game about the Saiyan Saga. It's Broly who gets bullshit bonuses in the fighting games (in BT3, Broly is immune to all Super Saiyan 2 basic attacks AND his Big Green Ball attack prevents you from moving until it's about halfway to you). And he's slowly taking over the game covers.

I'm sick of this overmuscled shithead getting so much praise for shrieking KAKAROT and clotheslining everything. And I'm damn sick of him being talked up like he's a match for anybody above Cell."

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:23 am

Xyex wrote:Got bored, decided to do a simple coloring of one of the pages.

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Awesome, but it's missing that cel shaded flavor.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Xyex » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:45 am

Scarz wrote:
Xyex wrote:Got bored, decided to do a simple coloring of one of the pages.

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Awesome, but it's missing that cel shaded flavor.

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Haha, nice. I'd thought about doing more than just simple coloration, but I liked the "flatter" look so I left it alone. Though I see you fixed a few spots I missed (namely, left of Vegetto's hand in the second panel) but must have saved my copy before Photobucket updated with my corrected version cause yours has the orange chest. XD

Wait, no, just glanced down at the 'review' window and you've fixed it already. XD
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:16 am

Across pages 186, 188-190 Salagir answered some questions about the rules of the series and also confirmed the tournament has hardly just started. Vegetto's already won a spot in the next round, however.

Also it seems Vegetto's going to have to cause Broli to be mentally-shocked enough to leave LSSj to kill him. That certainly mean a bit of a creative end to the fight.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Godo » Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:14 pm

Ok, I'll put some of the answers from the DBM pages here, then, since the comments page is a clusterfuck and it's hard to find anything without using search. And then we get more stuff to discuss about.
Salagir wrote:
Ultimatewarrior wrote:Would a strong ki blast be enough to destroy him
Nope, that's pure, non-physically-logical indestructibility.
I never really liked how for people who could recreate themselves (cell, buu), how a "stronger" blast could work where all the others didn't, although they all had the same effect : destroying.
In LSSJ, vegetto fused with himself 100 times and in SSJ999999 can't hurt broly.
Ultimatewarrior wrote:instead of sun?
The sun can't hurt broly. But it can serve him as a coffin as it's gravity is huge and Broly in LSSJ got a short lifetime.
syrias wrote:In LSSJ state, broly is completely immune to physical harm, be it energy or melee based. if the attack is strong enough, he can be flung around, crashing through things, but is not harmed by it. the only way to harm him is to first knock him out of the LSSJ state, down to SSJ or even base form.
Totally.
syrias wrote:1. a physical shock from an attack that is so much stronger
I would say no to that. This means someone with stronger power can knock him out of LSSJ, then kill him.
That's too easy :)
I will go for "a psychological shock" and falling into the sun, that kind of shock.
ONEG & EDUD wrote:By INVULNERABLE i think you are only suggesting his skin becomes indestructible. So if I am right, I think a really hard punch to the face can disturb broly's brain enough to be knocked out. Am I right?
Nope, it's too easy. This goes for the whole body, and the Panzer Punch techniques won't work here :)
Geno wrote:Salagir said Broly died in the sun because of his life span, but I highly doubt he was relaxing on the sun, getting a tan and checking realestate until his life span ran out.
Well said ;) I guess I'll have to give a clear position on this.
As I said before, getting into the sun is no picnic, even for SSJ3-like power levels...
We know a big blast can explode a planet but it's nothing. The sun can eat the Earth and leave nothing in a split of second. That's the sun for you. In fact, in a few billions years, it will.
Also, the gravity of the sun is 333 000 times the of the earth (I think... is this calculation good?), that's more than our usual 300G. And it's luminous. Like a big big amount of Tenshinan's Tayoken, and surely more thant a thousand of them.
Ergo : getting in the sun = omg. Things like Coola touching the sun then having enough cells to be found by a space robot is impossible, even for DBZ. But, well.
In our Legendary case, I've decided the following:
1) falling into a star is traumatic enough to un-LSSJ a Legendary Saiyajin.
2) no character in DBZ nor DBM can survive the sun, except for total invincibility.
Ergo, if Broly falls into the sun, he un-LSSJ, then dies burned in a few seconds.
3) Bonus rule: if Broly was to become strong enough (which shall happen if vegetto let him breath in LSSJ state too long), he could be so powerful that the sun wouldn't be so much traumatic. We would need bigger stars like Canis Majoris. If it keeps like this, would need a black hole...
But stellar objects may not be the only way to kill Broly.
In universe 20, Broly wasn't stronger than black holes, but he destroyed so much things that in the end, it was just a big mess, objets didn't revolve the usual way and collided, and chaos happened, and they made a rerun of Little House and the universe was destroyed !
bobthemunk wrote:after this fight will there still be a tournament..
Yes.
bobthemunk wrote: if so will we see a Namek enlarge himself
I can't spoil that.
Yashaqueen wrote:Broly is already disqualified" I don't think it counts...
Yes, Broly is disqualified. The Vargas already tried to send him back.
Vegetto is fighting him in a match, but only for him and the other challenger, who respect his wish to make a real match, it's a match. In the Vargas eyes Vegetto is just gaining time. If all the others helped him, it would be OK too. Vegetto is qualified and Broly is a nuisance.
Vergil wrote:is the battle power of vegetto equivalent to goku's battle power multiplied by vegeta's?
I don't, and won't, be using numbers for power levels in DBM, or any DB saga except for raditz to the end of ginyu commando.
Bart Simpson rules!! wrote: Is it possible that Gokan (Potara-fusion of Goku and Mystic Gohan) will make an appearance?
Sadly, it's a big loss of DBM. I thought about it too late. I could have inserted him in another universe, but like Vegetto, it would be a team very close to the one we know, so maybe not original enough.
I think Gokan at birth would be way stronger than Vegetto, but then, wouldn't train as much.
Deathshot wrote:Vegetto really needs to kick him in the penis.
Indestructible, like the rest.
some_weirdGuy wrote:he 'broly being shocked out of lssj' deal: shocked doesn't mean as in 'oh, i am so surprised!', i think it meas as in physical shock.
syrias wrote:Salagir once said that he meant "shock" as in psychological shock, not physical.
Broly can't be physically shocked as he can't be physically harmed. So it's obligatory psychological.

For example :
In the case of the special chapter, Broly was about at SSJ2 level (at the end) and got shocked by traveling millions of kilometers in space, pushed by a big energy (the genkidama). This of course wouldn't work again.

In the case of the return of Broly (which will be entirely re-written), he is about SSJ3+ level and will be pushed into the sun. Falling in a star, can be psychologically shocking enough to kill LSSJ.

But this current Broly fighting Vegetto is so powerful that I'm not sure a star would be traumatic enough.

They are certainly other ways, as long as they don't sux (like "Oh, did you know that when Broly hear the cry of Goku, he will be shocked an loose LSSJ?" or "A big big big blast on him should shock him enough").
I think that it's odd that Goku's Toei-punch hurt Broly, since there is idea here is that he is indestructible.
But I guess that the extra flashback comic was made to fix that, and now it's not that pointless anymore. although it could have been shorter.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:04 pm

I always thought that some of the discussion on the comments of DBM were very interesting, I've even joined a few in the past... But as far as Broly being invincible goes I'd have too disagree even though it makes since especially when you add in the whole short life span thing.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Scarz » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:15 pm

There are things in this Q&A that makes me want to scream bullshit but I want to avoid a brain brain aneurysm if I go off into a rant about Broly inscrutability.

What I will say is that I'm glad Salagir didn't create a universe with Gokan. When Goku and Vegeta fused to become Vegetto we questioned their marriage life until it was said that he decided to stay with both Chichi and Bulma. If Goku and Gohan stayed permanently fused, well let me not get into any awkward conversations about incest.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:41 pm

Ah, further Broly-wanking to the extreme. Somebody drop me a note once the fancomic has knocked it off, given the crappy character his long-overdue death, and moved on into worthwhile territory.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:07 pm

Scarz wrote:There are things in this Q&A that makes me want to scream bullshit but I want to avoid a brain brain aneurysm if I go off into a rant about Broly inscrutability.
Same here. I don't have a clue where Salagir got the idea that Broly is industructable as a LSSJ since, Movie 8 aside, he was obliterated by the Father-Son Bros Kamehameha at the end of Movie 10. The legendary galoof is quite vulnerable as a LSSJ. Even their minicomic exploring an (not that) alternate Movie 8 didn't disprove the notion that Broly is not some immortal behmoth as a LSSJ. :roll: Go figure. Love your story Salagir but seriously WTH?

On a happier note it seems likely that Vegetto will come out on top (as he should) and will continue to be present after this battle when the story shifts into high gear. I can only hope the rumors are true.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:56 pm

Broly is less of a character and more of a concept at this point. Something Vegetto, presumably the strongest fighter in the tournament, has to overcome; total invulnerability.

So, those who are sick of "Broly Fanwanking," would you be okay with this concept if it were a new character that isn't Broly?

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:06 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:So, those who are sick of "Broly Fanwanking," would you be okay with this concept if it were a new character that isn't Broly?
You mean the idea of a character having a "god mode" that they need to be brought down from in order to be damaged? Yes, totally. That in and of itself is a pretty nifty idea. But there's gotta be a hundred ways it could have been implemented without it being applied to damn Broly.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Rocketman » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:10 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:So, those who are sick of "Broly Fanwanking," would you be okay with this concept if it were a new character that isn't Broly?
I would be ok with it if it was an already-existing character, as long as it's not motherfucking Broly.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:22 pm

If it was an original character it would be sort of alright but doing it with Broly basically makes up attributes about him that goes against what we see in the movies. I can believe that he can potentially be a match to Vegetto since this is an alternate universe version of him. Yet you can only go so far with "AU" versions of characters or fan canon before it becomes ridiculous. For example, it's like saying that in Universe 130, Freeza was not a maniacal, intergalactic tyrant but was born into a family of gypsies and worked as a lounge singer in Las Vegas. :roll:

Actually you know what . . . that last part is somewhat believable. :P

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Godo » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:40 pm

The part of Broly being indestructible puts my prejudice about Broly fans being awed by just about anything muscular and IQ-deprived further up on the "truth-not prejudice" list that I have in my head.

And I agree with some other users here when they say "anyone but fucking Broly".

Sure, it's flattering that Vegetto is the sole one that can destroy someone that is invulnerable, but it's just as a big insult for him not being to beat the Legendary form.
I guess that the history's two strongest Saiya-jins, who both reached the legendary Super Saiya-jin forms (one of them reached all of them, in fact) fused into one single being, with their power multiplied several times, and the ability to reach all of the Super Saiyajin forms is just not Legendary enough to beat a mutated buff Super Saiya-jin (with the only difference that speed and power-waste are not lost, something that actually got fixed with Full Power Super Saiya-jin).

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:15 pm

Broli's origin portrays him not as a child gone insane, like the films, but born as a force of nature. He has no discernable personality because he's a walking embodiment of the key traits of Saiyans, something that lives only to fight and destroy. Add that with the idea of an indestructable foe and you have this 'Broli-20', the face of Saiyan nature meant to serve as the ascension of Vegetto to another level.

I think the 'anti-Broli' sentiments are becoming as silly and wild as the 'pro-Broli' sentiments. Facts support Broli is not as powerful as Vegetto in the films he appears in, the very films written by Toei themselves. 'Anti-Broli fans' are being far too aggressive over a topic certainly rarely if ever has taken place here of all places.'

All you have to do is ride it out. Vegetto is still going to win in the end.
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