"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

It's bullshit that krillin is still stronger. He hasn't trained during the cell saga and tien has continuously gotten stronger. Is Gohan the only one that's affected by lack of training ffs?

What's with this assumption that Tenshinhan has gotten stronger?

Even if tien didn't gain anything he would still at least stay the same, krillin hasn't trained at all, by applying Gohan's logic he should be weaker than tien at this point no question..

The only reason I am giving this issue a pass is because krillin is an awesome character and one of my old favorites

[HeroR]

Tien consistently trains, even if he's not getting huge gains he should be improving. If what happened to Gohan applied to krillin, krillin would have like a 20k power level at most at this point.

Retiring from fighting is not the same as not training. Krillin has been a martial artist all his life and most real work marital artists keep themselves in shape long after they stop practicing their craft. Gohan outright ignored his body and did nothing to keep himself in shape, which is why he got weaker.

Consistently training doesn't mean you will get much stronger. Piccolo consistently trains and he was still weaker than a rusty base form Gohan.

Even if tien didn't gain anything he would still at least stay the same, krillin hasn't trained at all, by applying Gohan's logic he should be weaker than tien at this point no question..

The only reason I am giving this issue a pass is because krillin is an awesome character and one of my old favorites

When was it ever said that Krillin didn't train at all. All it was ever said that he retired.

Relieved Vegeta isn't being replaced as Gokû's "eternal rival". Partly thought he was going to be the way episodes 75 - 77 were going.

Vegeta will always see Goku as his eternal rival. Doesn't mean Goku feels the same.

[Ki Breaker]

Tien consistently trains, even if he's not getting huge gains he should be improving. If what happened to Gohan applied to krillin, krillin would have like a 20k power level at most at this point.

Retiring from fighting is not the same as not training. Krillin has been a martial artist all his life and most real work marital artists keep themselves in shape long after they stop practicing their craft. Gohan outright ignored his body and did nothing to keep himself in shape, which is why he got weaker.

Consistently training doesn't mean you will get much stronger. Piccolo consistently trains and he was still weaker than a rusty base form Gohan.

Even if tien didn't gain anything he would still at least stay the same, krillin hasn't trained at all, by applying Gohan's logic he should be weaker than tien at this point no question..

The only reason I am giving this issue a pass is because krillin is an awesome character and one of my old favorites

When was it ever said that Krillin didn't train at all. All it was ever said that he retired.

It isn't stated he trained either, it could go both ways..
This could be a reasonable argument if krillin wasn't stronger, but he if is stronger officially ( which he is ), yes, I have to go with he kept in shape and tien didn't improve at all in all these years.. which again strikes as odd..

Well, the only explanation I can find is tien hit his peak and can't grow anymore and krillin kept in shape retaining his powers, which puts him above tien..

Dosen't matter either way, uub is taking strongest earthling title soon enough

[Kanassa]

Every one is given Wonderful descriptions, and what does Gohan's say, oh he is Goku's son.... yeaa?
Together with Yamcha getting spotlight in his own episode because he won't be fighting in the tournament and gohan getting his own villan to beat before the tournament has me pretty much confirmed he is gonna lose really really fast in the survival arc..

I know its kinda jumping to conclusions here, but that's what my gut says, Gohan's gonna job fast..
I ain't getting my hopes up

As soon as Ggohan got three episodes with him having a big role, my first thought was ''Toriyama screws him over in the tournament and TOEI are doing damage control, right?"

[HeroR]

It isn't stated he trained either, it could go both ways..
This could be a reasonable argument if krillin wasn't stronger, but if he is stronger officially..
Well yes, I have to go with he kept in shape and tien didn't improve at all in all these years.. which again strikes as odd

Not really since it's obvious that Krillin kept himself in shape given his performance in Resurrection 'F', self-esteemed issues aside. Like I said, Krillin was raised as a marital artist. People like that just don't stop training even after they retired. Once you take in that marital arts lifestyle, it stays with you forever, at least from the marital artists I have personally met.

Tien may have improved, but not enough to catch Krillin after he got his power unlocked by Gura. The fact of the matter is, Krillin is the only human we saw get stronger after the Saiyan Saga. All the other humans are assumptions since none of them showed any noticeable changed after training with King Kai. The only thing Tien did of note was using his Tri-Beam Cannon against Cell, which is a technique that is far stronger than Tien's actual battle power.

As soon as Ggohan got three episodes with him having a big role, my first thought was ''Toriyama screws him over in the tournament and TOEI are doing damage control, right?"

Not sure that's true given what Toei did to Piccolo in the Resurrection 'F' Saga where they killed him. Then, he got poisoned and forced to forfeit to Frost at the tournament per Toriyama's notes.

[Chuquita]

Relieved Vegeta isn't being replaced as Gokû's "eternal rival". Partly thought he was going to be the way episodes 75 - 77 were going.

Vegeta will always see Goku as his eternal rival. Doesn't mean Goku feels the same.

Doesn't mean he doesn't either. Please don't try to rain on my parade. I'm already disappointed this next arc is the tournament. I was even more disappointed at the prospect of Vegeta leaving being Gokû's rival to be a full time stay at home parent. I'm absolutely gonna take anything positive I can from this news article.

[kinisking]

Tien consistently trains, even if he's not getting huge gains he should be improving. If what happened to Gohan applied to krillin, krillin would have like a 20k power level at most at this point.

Retiring from fighting is not the same as not training. Krillin has been a martial artist all his life and most real work marital artists keep themselves in shape long after they stop practicing their craft. Gohan outright ignored his body and did nothing to keep himself in shape, which is why he got weaker.

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Krillin said he was a martial artist only to get a girlfriend. Well, he has 18 now. Plus if he was still training, he wouldn't have been so unaware of his strength in Rof. Also there's the dialogue between tien and Yamcha in xenoverse 2 where Yamcha says tien's the only earthling continue his training. In episode 16, krillin is motivated to get into martial arts again. Yet, it's not like he's fighting anyone either so it's pretty obvious retiring from martial arts means he stopped training also.

Also about vegeta, yes it might be one sided but we know their rivalry will continue unlike krillins now.

[Ki Breaker]

Relieved Vegeta isn't being replaced as Gokû's "eternal rival". Partly thought he was going to be the way episodes 75 - 77 were going.

Vegeta will always see Goku as his eternal rival. Doesn't mean Goku feels the same.

Doesn't mean he doesn't either. Please don't try to rain on my parade. I'm already disappointed this next arc is the tournament. I was even more disappointed at the prospect of Vegeta leaving being Gokû's rival to be a full time stay at home parent. I'm absolutely gonna take anything positive I can from this news article.

Don't worry, Vegeta isn't going anywhere, he won't lose to hit so easily this time around either..
Even if Vegeta cannot beat an opponent in the heat and loses it sometimes, he is the only one who can keep up with gokus ever increasing powers, everyone else eventually caps out at a level

[HeroR]

Doesn't mean he doesn't either. Please don't try to rain on my parade. I'm already disappointed this next arc is the tournament. I was even more disappointed at the prospect of Vegeta leaving being Gokû's rival to be a full time stay at home parent. I'm absolutely gonna take anything positive I can from this news article.

Goku hasn't treated Vegeta like a real rival in years. To Goku, Vegeta is his training buddy, which I guess can be seen as a type of rivalry.

Krillin said he was a martial artist only to get a girlfriend. Well, he has 18 now. Plus if he was still training, he wouldn't have been so unaware of his strength in Rof. Also there's the dialogue between tien and Yamcha in xenoverse 2 where Yamcha says tien's the only earthling continue his training. In episode 16, krillin is motivated to get into martial arts again. Yet, it's not like he's fighting anyone either so it's pretty obvious retiring from martial arts means he stopped training also.

Also about vegeta, yes it might be one sided but we know their rivalry will continue unlike krillins now.

That was back in Dragon Ball before Krillin got a ton of character development. Krillin hasn't said that once in Z, except when he told Goku and the others he wanted to get married when he return to Earth in the Namek Saga. Krillin wasn't unaware of his strength in Resurrection 'F'. He had self-doubt because he was having a clear case of PTSD from confronting the person who blew him up from the inside out. And seriously, we're using Xenoverse 2, which gave Krillin the Kaioken despite him never even going to King Kai's planet?

Getting into the marital arts again doesn't mean he stopped training and keeping in shape, which several real world marital artists have done after they retired and decide to come back later. And that is you making assumptions. As far as we know, he spar with his wife or Master Roshi since he lives with him, which is more than Gohan has done since he can't even remember where he put his gi.

That's because Krillin himself dropped the rivalry. For example, Tien still sees himself as Goku's rival despite knowing good and well that he will never surpassed him and Goku not acknowledging him as such.

[Zamasu55]

Krillin will train with Goku and overcome Tienshinhan again, I guess.

[sintzu]

Relieved Vegeta isn't being replaced as Gokû's "eternal rival". Partly thought he was going to be the way episodes 75 - 77 were going.

Vegeta will never be replaced, him and Goku's rivalry is too iconic for the franchise to end it.

[LightBing]

Is the Goku training with Kuririn tidbit in reference to the upcoming "filler" episode where something similar is going to happen, or is it confirmation that both will be training together for the tournament?

Also is the Goku mentioned "further evolution" just a stock phrase for hype or does it actually mean something?

[HeroR]

Relieved Vegeta isn't being replaced as Gokû's "eternal rival". Partly thought he was going to be the way episodes 75 - 77 were going.

Vegeta will never be replaced, him and Goku's rivalry is too iconic for the franchise to end it.

Vegeta will be Goku's rival long after Goku changed the locks, changed his number, and tell Vegeta that they should see other people.

[Chuquita]

I hope Vegeta doesn't get replaced. Those summaries had me worried they were gonna pull on him the same thing that usually happens to female characters (18, Videl, arguably Chi-Chi) despite him being male (Bulma's tech skills are indispensable, but Gokû has had his rivals replaced before). That Vegeta'd be stuck on full time baby duty for the foreseeable future while they replaced him with Hit or somebody.

I like seeing Vegeta do battle stuff. I hope I just read too far into the summaries.

[Kishido]

Vegeta is like Ken in Street Fighter. Rival of the main hero but there are stronger goals for Goku to surpass

[Kagari]

I hope Vegeta doesn't get replaced. Those summaries had me worried they were gonna pull on him the same thing that usually happens to female characters (18, Videl, arguably Chi-Chi) despite him being male (Bulma's tech skills are indispensable, but Gokû has had his rivals replaced before). That Vegeta'd be stuck on full time baby duty for the foreseeable future while they replaced him with Hit or somebody.

I like seeing Vegeta do battle stuff. I hope I just read too far into the summaries.

He won't get replaced but his role has definitely lessened lately. I'm okay with that if it means other characters can take the spotlight once in a while like Future Trunks, etc.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta will always see Goku as his eternal rival. Doesn't mean Goku feels the same.

Doesn't mean he doesn't either. Please don't try to rain on my parade. I'm already disappointed this next arc is the tournament. I was even more disappointed at the prospect of Vegeta leaving being Gokû's rival to be a full time stay at home parent. I'm absolutely gonna take anything positive I can from this news article.

Don't worry, Vegeta isn't going anywhere, he won't lose to hit so easily this time around either..
Even if Vegeta cannot beat an opponent in the heat and loses it sometimes, he is the only one who can keep up with gokus ever increasing powers, everyone else eventually caps out at a level

You mean when Toriyama reaches the next possible level of laziness.

[TekTheNinja]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

[HeroR]

You mean when Toriyama reaches the next possible level of laziness.

Been that way since Z, so it isn't Toriyama becoming 'lazier'. BTW, that word is used way too often.

[DainIronfoot]

Glad to see this description, interesting read. As for the debate with Tien and Krillin I'm constantly amazed Tien extreme fan boys still can't grasp the fact that Krillin is stronger. Heck for all we know, Krillin could be training from time to time with 18 who is much better than Chaotzu. It's just simply that after Guru unlocks Krillin's power, Tien could not pass it although I'm sure he is close in power. Don't know why this keeps getting debated when it's written time and time again. Anyways, this new arc can't come any sooner!!