"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Nejishiki]

I don't know about Yajirobe, but Toriyama clearly despises Yamcha, much that he forgot that Kamesennin passed the torch to the new incoming generation of fighters a long time ago, making his suddenly return contradicts his own character and much less appealing.

Does that need to be the case? Why must the exclusion of a character mean anybody "despises" them? Have you considered there may not be an interesting story to tell with him? On the opposite end, have you considered they thought of something exciting for Turtle Hermit to accomplish that's only possible through his character? As fans, we want to know everything but that doesn't always nor necessarily benefit the narrative. It's equally possible the script writers felt Yamcha overlapped with someone else's role or it's simply a case of thinking something better was available. I sincerely doubt Shueisha is targeting fans of the series with their decisions. It's not all doom & gloom!

[Neon Z]

I don't know about Yajirobe, but Toriyama clearly despises Yamcha, much that he forgot that Kamesennin passed the torch to the new incoming generation of fighters a long time ago, making his suddenly return contradicts his own character and much less appealing.

Yamcha retired though. The whole "new generation" thing didn't go very far due to the aliens making everyone aside from Goku irrelevant. Roshi was pretty much retired before Goku met him, so him going back to an active role again isn't that odd.

Of course, Toriyama could have written Yamcha to be the one returning to action, but he didn't. Maybe it's just an issue of him having a veteran VA while Tenshinhan and Roshi have likely cheaper replacements.

[Simere]

I don't know about Yajirobe, but Toriyama clearly despises Yamcha, much that he forgot that Kamesennin passed the torch to the new incoming generation of fighters a long time ago, making his suddenly return contradicts his own character and much less appealing.

Yamcha retired though. The whole "new generation" thing didn't go very far due to the aliens making everyone aside from Goku irrelevant. Roshi was pretty much retired before Goku met him, so him going back to an active role again isn't that odd.

Roshi was retired before Goku met him so it makes sense for him to become active now? I don't get what you mean.

[Noah]

I don't know about Yajirobe, but Toriyama clearly despises Yamcha, much that he forgot that Kamesennin passed the torch to the new incoming generation of fighters a long time ago, making his suddenly return contradicts his own character and much less appealing.

speak for yourself good sir I welcome more roshi with open arms. super clearly doesn't care about things making in universe sense so I just don't care anymore.

just entertain me and watching roshi fight is far more entertaining than yamcha who may I remind everyone his last real one on one fight was against a saibamen. that killed him.

Again, no need to quote my whole post as you can easily edit to answer just the line that is referenced to. And that's doesn't mean anything when you have something called "character progression" that unfortunately Super is not willing to do with many of its cast.

Does that need to be the case? Why must the exclusion of a character mean anybody "despises" them? Have you considered there may not be an interesting story to tell with him? On the opposite end, have you considered they thought of something exciting for Turtle Hermit to accomplish that's only possible through his character? As fans, we want to know everything but that doesn't always nor necessarily benefit the narrative. It's equally possible the script writers felt Yamcha overlapped with someone else's role or it's simply a case of thinking something better was available. I sincerely doubt Shueisha is targeting fans of the series with their decisions. It's not all doom & gloom!

Well, I suppose you read the whole manga, so yes by the way Yamcha is depicted in there you could pretty much assume that Toriyama doesn't like him at all. I'm not saying that this is the sole reason he choose Roshi on his place, but maybe one of those. I would have no problem with his return if it was proper explained.

Yamcha retired though. The whole "new generation" thing didn't go very far due to the aliens making everyone aside from Goku irrelevant. Roshi was pretty much retired before Goku met him, so him going back to an active role again isn't that odd.

Even though he's retired, they considered he as a option in the battle of RoF, anyway I talk mainly about Yamcha role in 2008 special was a nice add, they actually managed to make him useful! Why it is hard to do that more times?

[DBZ Macky]

Roshi was retired before Goku met him so it makes sense for him to become active now? I don't get what you mean.

I think he's saying that Kame-sennin had already retired from martial arts and was slacking off before he met Goku. But after that, he got into it again for training his pupils.

So it wouldn't be strange if he comes out of retirement again.

[TekTheNinja]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

The tournament was happening one way or another, only thing that Goku did was make sure it was happening sooner.

[kinisking]

So this death tournament is all Goku's fault? Wow. I don't like that. I don't like that at all.

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

[LightBing]

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

Wasn't it Goku who suggested the tournament format to decide the dispute?

[Gafonso6]

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

Wasn't it Goku who suggested the tournament format to decide the dispute?

No it was Champa's idea to have a tournament.

[Ki Breaker]

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

Wasn't it Goku who suggested the tournament format to decide the dispute?

Goku only decided the starting rules

[dbs fanboy]

No it's not. All he wants is that tournament Zen-Oh promised and Zen-Oh didn't initially say anything about Universe Destruction it's not like he knew of this prior.

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

Nah, this is all Beerus's fault, if he had never dreamed about a ssgod, he would have never appeared on Earth or met Goku, so there would be no tournament.

[HeroR]

Nah, this is all Beerus's fault, if he had never dreamed about a ssgod, he would have never appeared on Earth or met Goku, so there would be no tournament.

And everyone would have died to the reborn Freeza before Champa even arrived.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Even if it wasn't intentional, it's STILL his fault.

If we're going to blame him, why not Champa? He started this tournament business

Nah, this is all Beerus's fault, if he had never dreamed about a ssgod, he would have never appeared on Earth or met Goku, so there would be no tournament.

Actually it's all Bardock's fault if he didn't conceive Goku this all never would have happened, he should have pulled out

[Legion]

Lol

Anyway, i'm probably the only one that is not excited for this tournament.

[Ki Breaker]

Anyway, i'm probably the only one that is not excited for this tournament.

Could you pinpoint why

[Legion]

Anyway, i'm probably the only one that is not excited for this tournament.

Could you pinpoint why

Because i've never been a fan of dragon ball tournament, Champa arc disappointed me (although he had good moments) and i really don't like that 11 universes will be destroyed because....yes. So wasted. I also scared that Goku will be the main star again and the other characters irrelevant.

I prefer a saga with a real plot like Black arc, that's all.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Anyway, i'm probably the only one that is not excited for this tournament.

Could you pinpoint why

Because i've never been a fan of dragon ball tournament, Champa arc disappointed me (although he had good moments) and i really don't like that 11 universes will be destroyed because....yes. So wasted. I also scared that Goku will be the main star again and the other characters irrelevant.

I prefer a saga with a real plot like Black arc, that's all.

We don't really know how plot-heavy this one will be, yet. Don't be totally apathetic.

[Ki Breaker]

[ I also scared that Goku will be the main star again and the other characters irrelevant.

I prefer a saga with a real plot like Black arc, that's all.

Goku being the star is something unavoidable, he is the main character

Although I can't confirm this, but more than likely this isn't just a tournament saga, it's going to extend beyond, expecting a big arc with your type of plot isn't a long shot..
But It's still just a hunch at this point without any proof

[Legion]

We don't really know how plot-heavy this one will be, yet. Don't be totally apathetic.

Well, it's a tournament. This time it's a tournament without rules etc and this time if they lose the price to pay is huge, but is still a tournament.

[ I also scared that Goku will be the main star again and the other characters irrelevant.

I prefer a saga with a real plot like Black arc, that's all.

Goku being the star is something unavoidable, he is the main character

Although I can't confirm this, but more than likely this isn't just a tournament saga, it's going to extend beyond, expecting a big arc with your type of plot isn't a long shot..
But It's still just a hunch at this point without any proof

Sure, but this does not mean that the other characters should be irrelevant, like Bu and Piccolo in Champa arc.

Well, i hope so