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Darkron2151
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by Darkron2151 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:53 pm
xmysticgohanx wrote:I've given up on reading all these posts
I hope they reference Cooler and the scouters give very reasonable power levels for the whole cast (besides the gods ofc). I also would want for Videl to get a nice redesign
I second that power level notion. Would clear up at least some stuff about where characters are at in terms of power. what really grabs my attention are the power levels of the minions. How strong could they possibly be?
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by Hellspawn28 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:53 pm
Beerus was the first villain since Tullece that didn't have a transformation which was nice. Every villain since Lord Slug was able to transform or had some type of form.
Lord Slug - Giant Form
Coola - 5th form
Metal Coola - Nucleus or whatever that giant form that Goku fought
#13 - Super #13
Broli - LSSj
Bojack - Second form
Bio Broli - Giant form
Janemba - Second form
Hirudegarn - Second form
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by damn » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:34 pm
On the whole Gohan shit
Teen Gohan is an angsty piece of shit and he's a faggot...nuff said
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by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:39 pm
damn wrote:On the whole Gohan shit
Teen Gohan is an angsty piece of shit and he's a faggot...nuff said
...Really? We really have to resort to that offensive word to make our points?
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:50 pm
Gyt Kaliba wrote:damn wrote:On the whole Gohan shit
Teen Gohan is an angsty piece of shit and he's a faggot...nuff said
...Really? We really have to resort to that offensive word to make our points?
I dislike Gohan just as much as the next guy but I agree, that offensive language is taking it too far.
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by fadeddreams5 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:54 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:Beerus was the first villain since Tullece that didn't have a transformation which was nice. Every villain since Lord Slug was able to transform or had some type of form.
Lord Slug - Giant Form
Coola - 5th form
Metal Coola - Nucleus or whatever that giant form that Goku fought
#13 - Super #13
Broli - LSSj
Bojack - Second form
Bio Broli - Giant form
Janemba - Second form
Hirudegarn - Second form
Well, Tullece did eat that fruit and go buff(er) though. :O
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:58 pm
fadeddreams5 wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:Beerus was the first villain since Tullece that didn't have a transformation which was nice. Every villain since Lord Slug was able to transform or had some type of form.
Lord Slug - Giant Form
Coola - 5th form
Metal Coola - Nucleus or whatever that giant form that Goku fought
#13 - Super #13
Broli - LSSj
Bojack - Second form
Bio Broli - Giant form
Janemba - Second form
Hirudegarn - Second form
Well, Tullece did eat that fruit and go buff(er) though. :O
That's not a transformation, it's just produce.
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:00 am
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:fadeddreams5 wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:Beerus was the first villain since Tullece that didn't have a transformation which was nice. Every villain since Lord Slug was able to transform or had some type of form.
Lord Slug - Giant Form
Coola - 5th form
Metal Coola - Nucleus or whatever that giant form that Goku fought
#13 - Super #13
Broli - LSSj
Bojack - Second form
Bio Broli - Giant form
Janemba - Second form
Hirudegarn - Second form
Well, Tullece did eat that fruit and go buff(er) though. :O
That's not a transformation, it's just produce.
He gets way bulkier, so yeah, it's a transformation.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:10 am
Tullence eating the fruit is not a transformation.
That's like calling 100% Freeza a transformation.
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by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:15 am
TheGmGoken wrote:That's like calling 100% Freeza a transformation.
Except the video games (and I'm pretty sure some guides, but don't quote me on that) treat it as just that?
That said though, I'm undecided on if Turles eating the fruit really counts or not...I can see evidence for both. At any rate, even if it's what-if, he's had Great Ape in the video games, so really that leaves Dr. Wheelo and Beerus as the only two movie villains to not have a transformation.
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:37 am
That's like calling 100% Freeza a transformation.
Freeza's 100% form IS a transformation. He's more than twice his previous size. Plus, the video games all treat it as a separate transformation.
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The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:40 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:That's like calling 100% Freeza a transformation.
Freeza's 100% form IS a transformation. He's more than twice his previous size.
How's is it a transformation? He's just in his final form putting in all his effort. Do you consider 50% and 70% to be transformations?
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:44 am
TheGmGoken wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:That's like calling 100% Freeza a transformation.
Freeza's 100% form IS a transformation. He's more than twice his previous size.
How's is it a transformation? He's just in his final form putting in all his effort. Do you consider 50% and 70% to be transformations?
It's not just his final form. He more than doubles in size.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by TheGmGoken » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:47 am
Looks we have to disagree with each other. I don't consider it a transformation and I doubt we'll change each others opinions.
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by sintzu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:49 am
Bullza wrote:That's because Vegeta had to get in the way and Gohan had to sacrifice his arm to save him.
He could have shot the blast away from Vegeta.
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by mAcChaos » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:49 am
It's more like when Roshi bulks up in Dragonball.
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:50 am
mAcChaos wrote:It's more like when Roshi bulks up in Dragonball.
Which is also a transformation. Seriously, he probably weighs three times more in that form.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by sintzu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:56 am
I read here that the movie might be at jump festa so when is that ? And could we get a teaser there or at least more info ?
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:56 am
Technically a transformation with the literal definition, but the bulking up that Roshi, Freeza and the Super Saiyan grades are something I'd consider an actual transformation like the changes in Freeza's other forms or Super Saiyan itself.
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by Kendamu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:28 am
Darkron2151 wrote:xmysticgohanx wrote:I've given up on reading all these posts
I hope they reference Cooler and the scouters give very reasonable power levels for the whole cast (besides the gods ofc). I also would want for Videl to get a nice redesign
I second that power level notion. Would clear up at least some stuff about where characters are at in terms of power. what really grabs my attention are the power levels of the minions. How strong could they possibly be?
I figre that, aqside from any new features mentioned by Toriyama, the Scouters will mainly come into play to show that Goku and Freeza's powers do not use
ki as a source, but something else entirely (like in Battle of Gods). If they do happen to allow actual Battle Power ratings for the cast, I'd like to hope that they end up being useless and everyone gets trolled by it. It'll be the equivalent of how "Power of Love" Vegeta was able to hurt Beerus more than SSj3 Goku could.
