jjgp1112 wrote:There are more people in the US and Australia combined than Canada and UK combined. From what I've seen, Ocean dub fans are ten times more vocal, but Funimation fans are far more prevalent. Not to mention the fact that the Westwood dub doesn't even have a DVD release.
The fact of the matter is, there was an
overwhelming demand for the return of the Ocean Group after Funimation came in with their horrid season 3. Not only that, Canada and the UK are not the only countries to have had the Ocean dub broadcast, we know that the Netherlands did as well, but so did Finland and Belgium, and I think also in Bhutan, Bosnia and Serbia. I didn't think the Ocean dub would air in Belgium but it did, there may be countries out there which received the Ocean dub which we don't know.
Plus, there is an established, substantial fanbase for the Ocean dub in the US (and most likely Australia) via their dub of seasons 1 and 2. You'd still find people in those countries passionate about the Ocean dub despite the Funi dub's runs there. Not only that, but among the fiercest critics of the Funi dub are people from the US. To add to that, you'd find people who grew up with Funi's dub who are now fans of the Japanese version, who don't think much of the Funi dub nowadays. To claim the Funi dub is more popular is unsubstantiated, why should I believe that rumour when I have more reason to believe the Ocean dub is more popular?
penguintruth wrote:It always seemed to me like there's way, way more Funimation dub fans than Ocean fans. Way more. Like, it's not even close. Just go to Behindthevoiceactors.com, for instance.
That proves nothing. Behindthevoiceactors is a English site based on English voice actors, why would fans from non-English speaking countries (which received the Ocean dub, such as the Netherlands but they had Dutch subtitles on their broadcast for the Dutch fans, so they got an excellent dub and didn't need to understand English to watch it) even know about that site let alone visit it? Plus, I've seen some Ocean dub actors get higher votes than their Funi counterparts.
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Also, giving you concrete proof is going to be really difficult. I'd have to tally every Ocean dub fan and every FUNimation dub fan. I'm just saying that it's pretty obvious to any Dragon Ball on the internet fan that the FUNimation dub is more popular (due to what jjgp said, and the fact that the FUNimation dub is the one that is being released on DVD)
It may seem obvious if you want to believe that bullshit, but it goes against significant points.
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Ocean dub fans on YouTube are the worst offenders of this. Case in
point. There exists no "AntiOcean" channel or anything on the oppoiste end of the spectrum.
There used to be someone with an anti Ocean username on youtube, but he got suspended, no mystery as to why, yet AntiFunimation's account remains active.
If you want to talk about offenders on youtube, then Funimation fans are by far worse than Ocean fans. I sometimes watch Ocean dubbed DBZ videos on youtube and in a lot of them Funi fans come in with the purpose of badmouthing the dub and deliberately attempting to pick fights with Ocean dub fans. Conversely, I've hardly seen Funi dubbed DBZ videos on youtube where Ocean fans come in just to bash the dub and pick fights.
The dub wars are usually started by Funimation fans, who out of the 4 fanbases (Ocean, Japanese, Blue Water, Funimation) are the most immature, I find. Some of them even badmouth the Japanese version with no thinking behind their rants.
Kaboom wrote:Agreed. They could have a cast just as good as FUNimation's put together, they could use the same accurate scripts, and so forth... but if they replace the music, then that's a big ol' stamp of "FAIL" on the whole thing. That's a matter of policy, not opinion. It's just a big no-no in dubbing nowadays.
It's not an automatic fail, not in the least. For example, in the Ocean dub of the scene just before Super Buu blows himself up, there's dialogue between him and Gohan with Piccolo, Goten and Trunks a bit further away. The musical piece played in the Ocean dub is sinister and eerie, as if something is about to happen, which you can't easily place from the dialogue until the last few lines. That, in the Ocean dub was
awesome and blew away both Japanese and Funimation versions, the music was
that good. If Ocean did not use their own music, I would not have got the feeling that something sinister is about to happen (at least, not to the extent I actually got). Super Buu's line "You're missing the point" fit perfectly with the build up Ocean's music gave you. That's just one example. The Westwood Ocean dub has taught me that if done right, musical change can work for the best. I can always listen to the original music in the Japanese version, which itself is very enjoyable.
Having said that, Dragon Ball Kai's music from the Trunks saga onwards is
awesome. It's really good prior to that but Kenji Yamamoto has produced amazing new themes which we're hearing in the Android-Cell episodes. If Ocean's DB Kai dub replaces the music, I'd want it to be as good as their Buu saga music but I'd also want an Ocean dub with Kenji Yamamoto's Kai music, perhaps as an option on the hopefully possible Ocean Kai DVD/Blu Ray releases.
