Saiga wrote:Because of Guru unlocking his potential and raising his power level far, far higher than Tenshinhan's had been.
Most likely, but the Kikoho is just a better technique in terms of power. I'm sure the Kienzan could cut through the Kikoho.son veku wrote:Krillin may be stronger but
I'm sure tenshinhan's kikohocould beat krillin's kamehameha
People hate Kuririn? First I've ever heard of it.Jackal puFF wrote:Krillin does not deserve the hate he gets. Everyone seems to be bagging on the strongest human for some reason. He's been in Dragonball from the start practically and in 12 movies out of 13. I think people like Yamcha better than Krillin. How many movies has Yamcha been in? That is very laughable.
As well as Yamcha saying to himself that Kuririn was the strongest among Earthlings, and the last time he'd seen both Kuririn and Tenshinhan at their full powers before the former retired was at the Cell Games. So, to me, that at least implies that Kuririn had a lead on Tenshinhan in the Cell arc, presumably because not even Kaiou's training could match up to actually having your dormant power brought out.Saiga wrote:Because of Guru unlocking his potential and raising his power level far, far higher than Tenshinhan's had been.DarkPrince_92 wrote:Thank you. I'm pretty sure out of all the Human characters, Tenshinhan was worked the hardest. I don't understand why Krillin, by the end of Z, was labeled as strongest Human.son veku wrote:No way is Krillin stronger than Tenshinhan (has this been verified)
Yeah, I always thought that the rivalry between Gokuu and Piccolo, however brief it was in comparison to Gokuu and Vegeta's, had more of an emotional response due to Piccolo's introduction actually having had more of an impact on the story, since it was the first time real major characters had been killed off. I don't think we ever saw Gokuu rage up as much as when Kuririn was killed, and it was a shock to see happy-go-lucky Gokuu's hair suddenly spike up and his tears of grief running down his cheeks. And after Daimaou was killed, Piccolo wanted to kill Gokuu to avenge his father, take over the world, and do his "Piccolo Day" thing.Michsi wrote:I often feel that the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is overrated and it has become something iconic for the franchise mostly due to fandome push rather than the actual story , where it also seems to be kinda one-sided, if you ask me.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
You forgot about Yamcha. EVERY Yamcha video has at least one crack on him.Jackal puFF wrote:Even if Tenshinhan was stronger than Krillin, he would technically be the strongest alien human, ya know? But yeah all over youtube people are hating on Krillin. Practically every dragonball video there is.
It should be noted that Yamcha is trying to reassure Kuririn's daughter, so some people might not take it as seriously because of that. On the other hand, the "Amoung Earthlings..." line is in a separate panel, and could be him talking to himself, so...like most things in Dragon Ball, it's open to interpretation.Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P3.2-3
Context: as Kuririn goes up against Punter
Marron: “That person dad’s fighting is big and looks strong…I wonder if he’ll be alright?...”
Yamcha: “It’s fine, fine! Someone like that doesn’t matter at all! Your father is the strongest in the world! Among Earthlings…”
You haven't seen Dragon Ball Z until you've seen it in a VHS Copy of a VHS Copy of an Nippon Gold TV Recording followed by a Pearl TV Recording followed by an Anime Labs fansub.csl002 wrote:This counts, right?...
Funimation's Dragon Boxes look bad. Too much low-pass filtering and mosquito noise, it's especially noticeable when you watch it on an HDTV with an upscaling player -- lots of huge ringing everywhere. The R2J DVDs look much better. I realize that Funi had to fit more episodes per disc than the R2J set, but it's not an issue of bitrate really. Funi's DVD encoder is just... really bad. This isn't the only release of theirs with the same problem, but it's definitely made worse when the grain in a grainy source like the Dragon Box masters is turned into a clumpy mess of noise that sort-of-but-not-really resembles grain. Discotek's Fist of the North Star anime release is sourced from Toei's recent remaster of that series which is similar in quality to the Dragon Box masters also has 7 episodes per disc (the first boxset also has two audio tracks too) yet doesn't suffer from the same issues that Funi's Dragon Box does.
Also, they're too bright. I'm aware of the brightness differences between Japan and America, but that is for analog only and shouldn't really apply to digital sources. I don't know why Funi does that to their releases.
I still want to complete my set because they're nice packages though.
I think the rivalry between Piccolo and Goku is even worse. Both of them have always been too one-sided to be proper rivalries to me.Piccolo Daimao wrote: Yeah, I always thought that the rivalry between Gokuu and Piccolo, however brief it was in comparison to Gokuu and Vegeta's, had more of an emotional response due to Piccolo's introduction actually having had more of an impact on the story, since it was the first time real major characters had been killed off. I don't think we ever saw Gokuu rage up as much as when Kuririn was killed, and it was a shock to see happy-go-lucky Gokuu's hair suddenly spike up and his tears of grief running down his cheeks. And after Daimaou was killed, Piccolo wanted to kill Gokuu to avenge his father, take over the world, and do his "Piccolo Day" thing.
When the Saiyans killed Ten and co., he was just angry the same way he was angry all the other times, only he powered up to "OVER 8,000!" Gokuu and Vegeta's rivalry was incredibly one-sided on Vegeta's part, since Vegeta literally hated Gokuu and wanted to kill him, while Gokuu was pretty fine hanging around him and it was almost comical the way they just bounced off each other. But it all boiled down to, "Wahh, low-level Kakarrot became a Super Saiyan before me! I should be the strongest; I'm the Prince of the Saiyans!"
Huh? How and in what way was it ever one sided with them? By the time they stopped being equals, both of them had moved on and Piccolo didn't mention anything about wanting to beat Goku both times he surpassed him. Even if he did have some feelings of rivalry left, he didn't parade thrm around. Anyway, I didn't want to make a comparisson, I just find that the Goku-Vegeta rivalry is only there mostly because of Vegeta and Goku not really reciprocrating it makes it, well, not a proper rivalry imo.Saiga wrote:
I think the rivalry between Piccolo and Goku is even worse. Both of them have always been too one-sided to be proper rivalries to me.
I don't think Goku ever viewed Piccolo as a rival, at least not any differently than he viewed Vegeta.Michsi wrote:Huh? How and in what way was it ever one sided with them? By the time they stopped being equals, both of them had moved on and Piccolo didn't mention anything about wanting to beat Goku both times he surpassed him. Even if he did have some feelings of rivalry left, he didn't parade thrm around. Anyway, I didn't want to make a comparisson, I just find that the Goku-Vegeta rivalry is only there mostly because of Vegeta and Goku not really reciprocrating it makes it, well, not a proper rivalry imo.Saiga wrote:
I think the rivalry between Piccolo and Goku is even worse. Both of them have always been too one-sided to be proper rivalries to me.
In that case, he might not have viewed anybody as a rival but only a challenge until he found the next best thing. Not even Vegeta since basically forgets that he wanted to fight him too and never expresses any great desire to resume their fight. That's why I said it's one-sided, it's Vegeta who keeps bringing it up long after Goku moved on.I don't think Goku ever viewed Piccolo as a rival, at least not any differently than he viewed Vegeta.
I already said I agreed about the Vegeta rivalry being one-sided, I just commented about the Piccolo side being one-sided because I seem to see a lot of people who think they had some amazing and deep rivalry when Goku has never shown to care. I don't think he viewed Piccolo as a rival because he had already beaten him. If he really viewed Piccolo as a rival, he wouldn't have sat on his ass during the period between the 23rd and Raditz's arrival.Michsi wrote:
In that case, he might not have viewed anybody as a rival but only a challenge until he found the next best thing. Not even Vegeta since basically forgets that he wanted to fight him too and never expresses any great desire to resume their fight. That's why I said it's one-sided, it's Vegeta who keeps bringing it up long after Goku moved on.
But I yeah, I don't see how he could not have viewed Piccolo as his rival during the time they were equals and not on the same side?
I don't see how it can be one-sided because neither Piccolo nor Goku show any particular interest in that, after they stopped being enemies. When I say one-sided, I mean one cares while the other doesn't. In this case, both seemingly stopped caring. However, it was there and it was reprocicated while they were equals and enemies.I already said I agreed about the Vegeta rivalry being one-sided, I just commented about the Piccolo side being one-sided because I seem to see a lot of people who think they had some amazing and deep rivalry when Goku has never shown to care. I don't think he viewed Piccolo as a rival because he had already beaten him. If he really viewed Piccolo as a rival, he wouldn't have sat on his ass during the period between the 23rd and Raditz's arrival.
I don't think it was ever reciprocated by Goku. Piccolo specifically developed the Makankosappo to kill Goku though.Michsi wrote: I don't see how it can be one-sided because neither Piccolo nor Goku show any particular interest in that, after they stopped being enemies. When I say one-sided, I mean one cares while the other doesn't. In this case, both seemingly stopped caring. However, it was there and it was reprocicated while they were equals and enemies.
At most, I can say I liked their rivalry because it didn't overstay it's welcome and had Piccolo chase after Goku's heels after he had been surpassed and because I liked their battle against Radditz.
Piccolo also viewed Goku as an enemy yet he also didn't go challengig him in those 5 years. Of course there would have been show down eventually. They were mortal enemies first and foremost he couldn't just come up to him and ask for a challenge just like that.
Yeah right, it wasn't because he wanted a rival that he let him go in the first place after he spent three years preparing for him.I don't think it was ever reciprocated by Goku.
Spending three years preparing for him when he hadn't met him doesn't make it a rivalry. He wanted to train under God anyway. And he spared Vegeta as well.Michsi wrote:Yeah right, it wasn't because he wanted a rival that he let him go in the first place after he spent three years preparing for him.I don't think it was ever reciprocated by Goku.
