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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Cold Skin » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:06 pm

But I don't know why such a raspy voice for Trunks.
It's not needed, a regular, young voice would be fine.
No need to emphasize the "teenager raspy voice", especially for a character that appears very mature, more adult than teenager really.

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Post by penguintruth » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:35 pm

His acting got better, but his voice quality got worse. Weird.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Gonstead » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:14 pm

I'll admit that the rasp was bad at times but it wasn't overly bad as some people make it out to be, at least for me.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by matt0044 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:28 pm

Trunks I didn't mind but I do wish Vale went for a more Sanji-like delivery. As it is, I can tolorate it and I can find that the character still shines through with the dialogue and acting, despite drawbacks.

Say, does Edwards still work for FUNi? Any recent work of her's.

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matt0044 wrote:Say, does Edwards still work for FUNi? Any recent work of her's.
I don't know if she's full time again or not, but they still manage to grab her when they need her. Looking here, she's been in four or five shows from them this year alone, and at least one of them I'm pretty sure was a lead character.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by xXInfinite026Xx » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:13 pm

Cold Skin wrote:But I don't know why such a raspy voice for Trunks.
It's not needed, a regular, young voice would be fine.
No need to emphasize the "teenager raspy voice", especially for a character that appears very mature, more adult than teenager really.

I feel as if Eric Vale's voice he used for Trunks in Kai was, more or less, a continuation of his Trunk's "voice" that he had developed over the years. When the Bardock/Trunks double features where being released by FUNimation a few years back, Vale provided the trailer narration using his current "raspy" Trunks voice that he used in Kai. I remember thinking back then that it was probably just a result of phoning-in the narration, but I did notice his Trunks voice seemed to have slowly developed this rasp effect that was probably first noticeable around late GT and the last few DBZ movies that featured Future Trunks. I was hoping he would have been given a different direction or his voice in Kai, but alas..
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Thanos » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:32 pm

Yeah, give Trunks' raspiness to Buu. And make Buu relatively well-spoken for once.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by matt0044 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:34 pm

Oh, and any other recast that could happen? Kaioshin? Kibito? Dabra?

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:56 pm

matt0044 wrote:Oh, and any other recast that could happen? Kaioshin? Kibito? Dabra?
Mitsuya and Ootomo will likely return. Mitsuya really loves his place in the franchise and Ootomo already has a few roles in the series, so it's not like Toei can't afford him. Aomori Shin has been in the games, so he might be willing to return, too.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:07 am

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matt0044 wrote:Oh, and any other recast that could happen? Kaioshin? Kibito? Dabra?
Mitsuya and Ootomo will likely return. Mitsuya really loves his place in the franchise and Ootomo already has a few roles in the series, so it's not like Toei can't afford him. Aomori Shin has been in the games, so he might be willing to return, too.
And as far as the English side of things go, Kent Williams (Kaioshin) is still around and works at FUNi all the time, so unless they don't feel he's right for the role this time around, he'll probably be back. Kibito...I'm honestly not sure on. Chuck Huber is still active at FUNi as well, but Kibito is hardly a major role he's known for, or anything he'd be clamoring to come back for I doubt, so that could go either way.

Rick Robertson's Dabura is a bigger question. I'm not aware of him ever having done anything outside of DBZ and Yu Yu Hakusho, as far as I know I haven't heard him in anything in years. But at the same time, they've been getting him back for games as far as I know, so...hard to say?
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Gonstead » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:38 am

I'm hoping at least Rock Robertson will return for Dabura. I really did like his performance in the Buu Saga and he was a close match for his Japanese counterpart.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Li'l Lemmy » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:36 am

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They'll need to continue to use the filter if he does, though. While it doesn't make or break the performance, it certainly accentuates it well.


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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:50 pm

Any idea on what fillers will likely be kept because they're too hard to cut around?

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Post by Shnuki » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:23 pm

Probably the one with Gohan rescuing the baby dinosaur from circus (he got a scratch on the face during that episode, and it was one of the few things Videl noticed when she was trying to discover Saiyaman's true identity). And probably Goku and Vegeta's fight with Buuhan and the one with Kid Buu wandering in space and the Other World, because there's a scene where Goku and Vegeta are powering up to lead him to Kaioshin's realm.


And even though it wouldn't be to hard to cut around, they're probably gonna keep at least some parts from base Vegetto's fight with Buuhan and SSJ2 Goku's fight with Kid Buu.

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Post by B » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:40 pm

The very first episode of GT that Buu appears in, the dub had him speaking in an adult tone of voice. He still sounded like a baby and was voiced by Josh Martin, but he was using correct grammar and pronouns. Does anyone remember if that continued throughout GT's dub? I'm recalling two specific scenes with Uub/Papaya Man where Buu spoke, but can't remember how he was talking.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:59 pm

B wrote:The very first episode of GT that Buu appears in, the dub had him speaking in an adult tone of voice. He still sounded like a baby and was voiced by Josh Martin, but he was using correct grammar and pronouns. Does anyone remember if that continued throughout GT's dub? I'm recalling two specific scenes with Uub/Papaya Man where Buu spoke, but can't remember how he was talking.
I want to say that he continued to speak, maybe not perfectly, but much better than he had previously in DBZ. I always assumed this was meant to show him becoming more intelligent, or whatever, during his peaceful life with Mr. Satan.

I'm going off of memory here though, since the last time I watched the show was subbed. Hopefully someone else has seen it more recently on Nicktoons or something, and can confirm.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

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B wrote:The very first episode of GT that Buu appears in, the dub had him speaking in an adult tone of voice. He still sounded like a baby and was voiced by Josh Martin, but he was using correct grammar and pronouns. Does anyone remember if that continued throughout GT's dub? I'm recalling two specific scenes with Uub/Papaya Man where Buu spoke, but can't remember how he was talking.
I want to say that he continued to speak, maybe not perfectly, but much better than he had previously in DBZ. I always assumed this was meant to show him becoming more intelligent, or whatever, during his peaceful life with Mr. Satan.

I'm going off of memory here though, since the last time I watched the show was subbed. Hopefully someone else has seen it more recently on Nicktoons or something, and can confirm.
Yeah, I just checked that episode in GT and he has toned down his broken English. He speaks more properly, but still like a baby child voice.

EDIT: I still hope that Funi will change his voice to be similar to the original.
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Cold Skin wrote:But I don't know why such a raspy voice for Trunks.
It's not needed, a regular, young voice would be fine.
No need to emphasize the "teenager raspy voice", especially for a character that appears very mature, more adult than teenager really.

I feel as if Eric Vale's voice he used for Trunks in Kai was, more or less, a continuation of his Trunk's "voice" that he had developed over the years. When the Bardock/Trunks double features where being released by FUNimation a few years back, Vale provided the trailer narration using his current "raspy" Trunks voice that he used in Kai. I remember thinking back then that it was probably just a result of phoning-in the narration, but I did notice his Trunks voice seemed to have slowly developed this rasp effect that was probably first noticeable around late GT and the last few DBZ movies that featured Future Trunks. I was hoping he would have been given a different direction or his voice in Kai, but alas..
His voice really bothers me in Kai. He ain't got bad delivery, it's just the voice is so scratchy and annoying. He had a beastly power up against Perfect Cell though.
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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by matt0044 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:23 am

^Odd, Vale's new take on Trunks never bothered me. It had it's bad moments, sure, but it never really annoyed me.

Back on topic though, I can see them keeping filler where they altered the scene from the Manga yet the idea was still there like Mr. Satan getting shot in Buu's house and not outside. What else? I having really seen Z's Buu saga.

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Re: Kai Continues Outside Japan

Post by Gonstead » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:27 am

I hope Eric Vale will reprise his roll as the Tournament Announcer.

I absolutely love his performance as him and the Announcer has made his way up into my favorite characters recently.
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