Anybody already stopped watching Super?

[Hellspawn28]

After Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Xtro Wars, was anyone expecting Super to have good animation?

[Khin]

After Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Xtro Wars, was anyone expecting Super to have good animation?

There have been some rumors that the reason why Super have bad animation is because TOEI was focusing more on the Champa arc or something along those lines,but thats very unlikely.

[sintzu]

After Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Xtro Wars, was anyone expecting Super to have good animation?

Yes considering it's part of the biggest anime series in history.

[Hellspawn28]

Those two are very big series too. Just because Dragon Ball is a brand name that does not mean it will be treat like a special dog. Dragon Ball is a series market to kids, Toei will do things cheap and they won't care as long if kids enjoy it.

[Soppa Saia People]

After Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Xtro Wars, was anyone expecting Super to have good animation?

Yes considering it's part of the biggest anime series in history.

One piece is bigger.

[sintzu]

After Sailor Moon Crystal and Digimon Xtro Wars, was anyone expecting Super to have good animation?

Yes considering it's part of the biggest anime series in history.

One piece is bigger.

Only in Japan.

[Chuquita]

Shueisha doesn't care all that much about sales outside Japan though; that's part of why I think One Piece (well, at least One Piece's movies) get more effort put into them.

[Hellspawn28]

Only in Japan.

Japanese are the main target audience for anime since anime are cartoons produced in Japan. They are always going to make anime for the Japanese first. It's no different with animated shows here in the US. A western cartoon like Transformers: Robots in Disguise is mainly going to be focus on the US market before the rest of the world. Japan loves Transformers just as much as the US does. Toei is not making Dragon Ball Super for the west. It's very rare for an anime to be made for the western market in mind. Japan always comes first to anime and the rest of the world comes later. Whatever money that a anime makes in the US is just gravy to them. Most of the money that Dragon Ball anime makes in the US goes to Funimation while Toei and Shuesiha gets whatever is left over.

[FortuneSSJ]

Shueisha doesn't care all that much about sales outside Japan though; that's part of why I think One Piece (well, at least One Piece's movies) get more effort put into them.

And that's their biggest mistake. That's not a vision a company should have.

[Lord Beerus]

Shueisha doesn't care all that much about sales outside Japan though; that's part of why I think One Piece (well, at least One Piece's movies) get more effort put into them.

And that's their biggest mistake. That's not a vision a company should have.

Well, considering for decades Japan has been the country from where the Dragon Ball franchise gets its main source of income, you can't really blame Shueisha for being solely focused on the domestic profit rather than the international profit. I mean, at the end of the day, Dragon Ball is seen as a part of a really niche genre outside of Japan. That's how it's always been and Shueisha know that.

[Sodhi]

Shueisha doesn't care all that much about sales outside Japan though; that's part of why I think One Piece (well, at least One Piece's movies) get more effort put into them.

And that's their biggest mistake. That's not a vision a company should have.

As JulieYBM has said, "Super is funded to sell the products released pretty much only in Japan. None of its sponsors are concerned with overseas fans".

[Hellspawn28]

Shueisha doesn't care all that much about sales outside Japan though; that's part of why I think One Piece (well, at least One Piece's movies) get more effort put into them.

And that's their biggest mistake. That's not a vision a company should have.

Companies don't get every penny from overseas. Toei and Shueisha is not getting every dollar from Funimation. Otherwise Funimation would not be around if they give away every penny and dollar to Toei and Shueisha. Like every company, the home country always comes first. Even Hollywood looks at the US box office first before looking at the over seas market. Even movies like The Golden Compass did well overseas like in China and Europe, but was still view as a failure because it bombed in the US.

[Dicrossus]

I watched again a few episodes of the Freeza Saga and, oh my God, that's so much better than Super! When Super debuted i realized imediatly that old DBZ is better but after rewatching it i'm sure that classic DBZ is far better than Super. In fact it's light-years above Super.

Everyone is so badass. Even Goku is not so childish, specially when he meets Freeza.

Talking about Freeza, his face looks much more cool and evil, his (and Vegeta) voice is much better too.

Until now, Super lacks any epic moment like Freeza showing his final form and, of course, Goku turning SSJ for the first time.

My theory is that, beacuse DB is an established brand, so it hasn't much need to do anything epic in order to gather audience and spread DB worldwide. Just do something fun to watch, relying on all the success DB did in the past and sell action figures, t-shirts and all kinds of products related to the brand.

It deserves something better? Sure!!! But if they can make profits with less work, because they aren't starting something new, that's exactly what they're gonna do.

[sintzu]

My theory is that, beacuse DB is an established brand, so it hasn't much need to do anything epic in order to gather audience and spread DB worldwide.

If they don't improve it's quality then chances are it's going to flop once it's released outside of Japan.

[Hellspawn28]

Super will do fine outside of Japan. Most casual fans haven't seen the show yet.

[sintzu]

Super will do fine outside of Japan. Most casual fans haven't seen the show yet.

And when they do they'll probably drop it or not buy it at all.

[Li'l Lemmy]

I kept up (and continue to keep up) with Super without actually watching it, with the exclusion of the first episode which I did make a point of seeing during the series debut last summer. Knowing in advance that the first umpteen episodes were going to be Kami to Kami 2.0 put it kinda low on my list of priorities, so I simply read descriptions and gauged fan reaction instead.

I did peek in during the RoF arc when I heard that Goten and Trunks would appear, given that their somewhat inexplicable absence was my main gripe with the original film. Then Goku sent them home, and I resumed my hibernation.

From what I'm hearing of the upcoming arc so far, Goten and Trunks aren't even spectators at this multiverse tournament thing, so I'm not dying to see it. Given that even Marron is apparently there I'm partly convinced that Toriyama-sensei might not think about or care for those two characters anymore, since even Gohan got a mention of being busy. But that's just fan speculation, of course.

When they appear or serve some function, somebody let me know. Otherwise I'm not too interested in actually watching Super at the moment.

[dbzfan7]

From what I'm hearing of the upcoming arc so far, Goten and Trunks aren't even spectators at this multiverse tournament thing, so I'm not dying to see it.

I'm pretty sure Goten and Trunks are there. It's only Gohan who isn't.

[Li'l Lemmy]

From what I'm hearing of the upcoming arc so far, Goten and Trunks aren't even spectators at this multiverse tournament thing, so I'm not dying to see it.

I'm pretty sure Goten and Trunks are there. It's only Gohan who isn't.

I wasn't aware of any mention of them in the recently released manga chapter. I haven't seen the chapter myself, mind you, only read about it; but if the boys had been mentioned or seen I feel like I would have heard something.

Huh. Can anyone confirm?

[dbzfan7]

From what I'm hearing of the upcoming arc so far, Goten and Trunks aren't even spectators at this multiverse tournament thing, so I'm not dying to see it.

I'm pretty sure Goten and Trunks are there. It's only Gohan who isn't.

I wasn't aware of any mention of them in the recently released manga chapter. I haven't seen the chapter myself, mind you, only read about it; but if the boys had been mentioned or seen I feel like I would have heard something.

Huh. Can anyone confirm?

They are there. They're merely running around in the background and still forever children. They don't say anything though.