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[TheBlackPaladin]

Here's another non-thread worthy thought: there are a select few dub script changes regarding attack names that I'm not only OK with, but I actually think are an improvement over the original version.

For the scene in DBZ where Gohan fires Masenko waves at Vegeta during the battle on Earth, both the original Japanese version and the Ocean dub had Gohan saying, "Kamehameha!" The FUNimation re-dub of this scene "changed" it to "Masenko-ha!" That might actually be the one time where the dub actually corrected an error from the original version.

Also, for the final battle of Battle of Gods, when Goku fires the last Kamehameha at Beerus, Goku goes straight to the "Ha" part. I know this has happened before, but to me, it has always struck me as weird. Like, if you can fire the Kamehameha wave at somebody without having to say the whole name, why waste time doing so? Either stick with the one-syllable version or the whole name, but one or the other. So, I was pleasantly surprised to see the German Battle of Gods dub have Goku sneak a "Kamehame" in beforehand, and they even timed the delivery so that it would happen in logical places.

[Nejishiki]

Here's another non-thread worthy thought: there are a select few dub script changes regarding attack names that I'm not only OK with, but I actually think are an improvement over the original version.

For the scene in DBZ where Gohan fires Masenko waves at Vegeta during the battle on Earth, both the original Japanese version and the Ocean dub had Gohan saying, "Kamehameha!" The FUNimation re-dub of this scene "changed" it to "Masenko-ha!" That might actually be the one time where the dub actually corrected an error from the original version.

Also, for the final battle of Battle of Gods, when Goku fires the last Kamehameha at Beerus, Goku goes straight to the "Ha" part. I know this has happened before, but to me, it has always struck me as weird. Like, if you can fire the Kamehameha wave at somebody without having to say the whole name, why waste time doing so? Either stick with the one-syllable version or the whole name, but one or the other. So, I was pleasantly surprised to see the German Battle of Gods dub have Goku sneak a "Kamehame" in beforehand, and they even timed the delivery so that it would happen in logical places.

I somewhat agree. I don't see the foul in Goku instantly firing his Kamehameha without the incantation, because examples of this happening exist. It was somewhat awkward that he only shouted "Ha!", however. I say go with all or none. Arguably, you could state his "Ha!" was a battle cry instead of being a silent charge, but I'm not too sure about that. It's noteworthy how some of the video games say "Kamehame" quickly before releasing the "Ha!". Great that the German dub addressed it, even if it wasn't as swift as I would like it.

[Noah]

Sometimes I wonder if we analyze the story and characters more deeply than even Toriyama did. I mean, look, I have absolutely nothing against watching a kid's show as an adult (and if that's enough to qualify me as a nerd/dork, then I embrace that label without regret), but I wonder if Toriyama would find it weird to know that there's an entire forum revolving around adults from many different nationalities...analyzing a story that was meant for Japanese children.

As just one example, we write post after post and thread after thread about Goku's character...but I wonder if Toriyama simply approached the character with the attitude of, "He's not complicated, he just likes to fight and eat and that's that."

I don't know that I could necessarily make an entire thread out of this thought, but then again, that's why I posted it here.

Interesting thought, mate. I really think you should make a thread about it

[Danfun64]

If someone wanted to completely avoid continuity errors in the DB franchise, then they would have to stop at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai immediately before Crystal kills Kuririn, preferably using the manga or a fan edit of the anime which removes the scene where Korin gives Tao Pai Pai the Dark Nimbus. When we first hear about Korin's Tower, it's mentioned that the only way to get up there is to climb, as the top of the tower apparently hides itself from aircraft and Flying Nimbuses...and then it turns out that Korin has a giant Nimbus, meaning that Goku could have used his to fly up to the tower. And then the same thing happens with Kami's Lookout. At first it seemed like one could only get there by way of the Power Pole...and the not only do we see ki powered characters fly up there, but Bulma flying an aircraft and landing it at the lookout.....

What gives? Were these locations really supposed to be hidden in the first place? If so, why can Bulma go to Kami's Lookout? If not, why isn't anyone who is neither a Z Warrior or connected to them able to fly an aircraft there?

[Soppa Saia People]

If someone wanted to completely avoid continuity errors in the DB franchise, then they would have to stop at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai immediately before Crystal kills Kuririn, preferably using the manga or a fan edit of the anime which removes the scene where Korin gives Tao Pai Pai the Dark Nimbus. When we first hear about Korin's Tower, it's mentioned that the only way to get up there is to climb, as the top of the tower apparently hides itself from aircraft and Flying Nimbuses...and then it turns out that Korin has a giant Nimbus, meaning that Goku could have used his to fly up to the tower. And then the same thing happens with Kami's Lookout. At first it seemed like one could only get there by way of the Power Pole...and the not only do we see ki powered characters fly up there, but Bulma flying an aircraft and landing it at the lookout.....

What gives? Were these locations really supposed to be hidden in the first place? If so, why can Bulma go to Kami's Lookout? If not, why isn't anyone who is neither a Z Warrior or connected to them able to fly an aircraft there?

Whoa, what dub are you watching ?

[Danfun64]

AB Groupes of course (JK).

I meant to say Tambourine.

[ekrolo2]

I just realized that Super Resurrection F makes Goku even more of a dick lol. In the arc version, Freeza kills Piccolo and horribly tortures his first born to near death and he's fine with letting him go and come back still! He even outright says "you'd have killed me if you trained better!".

[Adrian Malacoda]

For the scene in DBZ where Gohan fires Masenko waves at Vegeta during the battle on Earth, both the original Japanese version and the Ocean dub had Gohan saying, "Kamehameha!" The FUNimation re-dub of this scene "changed" it to "Masenko-ha!" That might actually be the one time where the dub actually corrected an error from the original version.

I just saw a clip of this scene (in the original version) and wondered about this. It seems a lot of people thought this was an error in the original Funimation/Ocean dub, given that their later dub changed it to Masenko, which matches the actual pose he is doing. Out of curiosity, though - what does he say here in the manga? I read that in Viz he just yells, but what about the original manga? What does he say in Kai (original and Funimation)?

[dbgtFO]

He also just yells in the original manga.

Been on gfaqs and these facts were brought to my attention:

1. King Piccolo gave birth after Goku penetrated him...
2. Cell gave birth after having held Gohan up against his body...

[Hellspawn28]

We normally hear English voices for characters in the video game first before Funimation dubs them. For example:

The post-Saiyan saga characters had English voices in Final Bout years before Funimation dub the rest of the Namek saga-Buu saga and GT
Budokai 1 had the Funimation In House voices for Radditz, Nappa, Zarbon and Dodoria three years before we got the Ultimate Uncut dub in 2005
Budokai Tenkachi 1/Sparking had Kent Williams voicing Janemba before Fusion Reborn was dubbed in English from Funimation
Raging Blast 2 has Funimation English voices for Tarble and Hatchiyack when those specials have yet to be dubbed in English from Funimation
Battle of Z had the Funimation English voices for Beerus and Whis before the film was dubbed in English
Xenoverse 2 had the English voice for Jaco leak before Revival of F was release in theaters from what I can remember
Xenoverse 2 will have the English voice for Goku Black seeing that Super has not been dubbed yet in English from Funimation

[Doctor.]

If Black and Zamasu started dating, would it be considered homossexuality or masturbation?

[ekrolo2]

If Black and Zamasu started dating, would it be considered homossexuality or masturbation?

Both, though the masturbation thing depends on if you're ultimate wanking fantasy is to sleep with yourself

[Lord Beerus]

If Black and Zamasu started dating, would it be considered homossexuality or masturbation?

I think the term "selfcest" applies here.

[Danfun64]

I find it amusing that whenever something is made less accurate when Funi redubbed something and made it uncut.

DB Ep 8
Sub: Sexy, aren't I?
Funi/BLT dub: Hey! Aren't I sexy?
Funi In-house dub (mostly reuses BLT script): Get ready for that walk!
AB Groupe/Blue Water dub (mostly reuses In-house Funi script): Get ready for that walk!

DBZ Movie 3:
Sub (paraphrased) Kaio-Ken times 10!
Funi/Ocean/Saban dub: Now! Kaio-Ken...times 10!
Funi/Ocean/Pioneer dub (Does not reuse Funi/Ocean/Saban script): Kaio-Ken...times 10!
Speedy dub: Kaio-Ken...up to 10 times!
AB Groupe/"Big Green" dub (Uses French script): Power...at maximum!
Funi In-House dub (Mostly reuses Funi/Ocean/Saban script. Doesn't appear to reuse Funi/Ocean/Pioneer script): Kaio-Ken...times 20!

[Noah]

I just realized that Super Resurrection F makes Goku even more of a dick lol. In the arc version, Freeza kills Piccolo and horribly tortures his first born to near death and he's fine with letting him go and come back still! He even outright says "you'd have killed me if you trained better!".

I think you're exaggerating a little bit, you know I'm one of those who complains about Goku recent portrayal in the series, I agree sparing Freeza was stupid, but I don't think he have reasons to get angry, Freeza tortured his son? Senzu Bean. Piccolo (or anyone else) was killed? Dragon Balls. I know it's kinda underwhelming, but that's the way it is

[ekrolo2]

I just realized that Super Resurrection F makes Goku even more of a dick lol. In the arc version, Freeza kills Piccolo and horribly tortures his first born to near death and he's fine with letting him go and come back still! He even outright says "you'd have killed me if you trained better!".

I think you're exaggerating a little bit, you know I'm one of those who complains about Goku recent portrayal in the series, I agree sparing Freeza was stupid, but I don't think he have reasons to get angry, Freeza tortured his son? Senzu Bean. Piccolo (or anyone else) was killed? Dragon Balls. I know it's kinda underwhelming, but that's the way it is

Freeza spit in his face every chance he gave him on Namek and he's spitting at him again by once again coming to Earth. In the show, Goku flat out says Freeza would have killed him if he mastered his golden form and knowing all of this, along with what Freeza had done that day and the shit from Namek, he's still fine with letting him go and coming back so he can actually kill everyone the next time. Freeza has too shitty of a track record for even Goku to let him go at this point.

He should know better, hell, Future Goku knew better when he flat out killed him and Cold when he invaded Earth the first time. This proves that Goku's recklessness has a poibt he won't tolerate, hell, he showed this with Cell and Super Boo as wel. You can't justify this as Goku just being Goku, this is him being a shit head through and through.

[ekrolo2]

I was watching some of Kai's dub the other day and really noticed how Sabat plays Vegeta with something of a formal style to his voice, although I'm not sure if I'd call it an accent. Am I right in assuming this is how Vegeta usually speaks in Japanese too?

[ABED]

You can't justify this as Goku just being Goku, this is him being a shit head through and through.

Or you getting too upset about a fictional character.

[Bansho64]

Or you getting too upset about a fictional character.

No, he's explaining his thoughts thoroughly and clearly.

[Draconic]

Regarding Goku sparing Freeza, I think Goku is doing it over and over again because he loves the challenge and wants Freeza to get better, specificaly because he knows the guy wouldn't refrain from killing him if he got the chance, so he is the one opponent that he can also go full out on, to the death, no bullshit. The moment Goku wins and Freeza goes down, death would be unnecessary, as he has proven himself. On the other hand, if Goku goes down Freeza would kill him, meaning that he also won fair and square and that he must get better next time, especially since there is no danger even if he loses. In RoF specifically, Vegeta was also there, as strong as Goku, so even if he lost there was someone there to finish the job and save the Earth, especially since Vegeta isn't one to bullshit around. This makes Goku a huge asshole, yeah, but it's probably the representation that shows his "poison" the best way (except maybe the Perfect Cell debacle).