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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:36 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:Has FUNi responded with any damage control yet? I really want to settle all of our speculations.
Ehhh, there's nothing yet. And if FUNi hasn't responded yet today, then I'm not expecting anything until tomrrow.

What sucks about this is that they never committed themselves to a specific day. I'm grateful that they're going the extra mile to get us some comparison images, but for all we know they'll be coming in this weekend. At this rate, patience really is a virtue.


EDIT: All right, I spoke too soon. I just stumbled across the following over at the AoD Forums:
FuniRepBlue wrote:Looks like production should have some screens ready for before we leave for Turkey day! (Wed). They have a busy schedule with all our new shows right now but they have been kind enough to squeeze some time in early for this, since we had so many requests

Stay Tuned!

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Not the update we were hoping for, but apparently that will come SOON ENOUGH. Finally, we can stop bitching and whining like pathetic fanboys.
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Post by majinboogc » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:35 pm

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Post by Blitzen » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:31 pm

This might seem OT, but it does have a point. I recently received the first Justice League Unlimited set, which is 4 DVD-9s with 6-7 eps per disc. It's anamorphic widescreen, and as far as I can tell has one or two tracks (English and commentary) which are 2.0.

The set, well, from my end, does not look good. Not overly good, anyway. Could be worse, but could be much better if they had given it more space to breathe (2d animation needs more space). Now, if they did 8-9 episodes per disc it'd look even worse. If they put a 5.1 on there, even worse still. So FUNimation aren;t going to produce a good quality disc no matter what they do, because DVD 9's are only as good as two DVD-5s.

So I really have to say, FUNimation, please reconsider the disc count for the sake of quality. You're going to make 1080p masters? Can't put them on DVD? Well, don't waste what you've already done by making it entirely pointless by depriving the episodes of nessecary space.

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Post by ect5150 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:34 pm

majinboogc wrote:This is what I meant.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ ... /chala.jpg
You don't want that. That's no difference than fullscreen, and you'd be devoting pixels to the blackbars. In other words, we'd be getting a fullscreen presentation at a lower resolution.

Chances are, they aren't adding blackbars, but cropping the picture and using the full 720x480 in 16:9 mode, so that your DVD player will stretch it to wide screen. The final fantasy 7 advent children does the same thing to create that wide screen presentation, but they use every pixel available to them.

I feel pretty certain we're getting more picture than the US version they've given us previously, but less total picture compared to DragonBox.

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Post by ect5150 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Blitzen wrote:So I really have to say, FUNimation, please reconsider the disc count for the sake of quality.
Right on! I think they need to keep it to 5 eps a disc with all that audio.
Blitzen wrote:You're going to make 1080p masters? Can't put them on DVD?
What? We're not getting high def on DVD. The DVD standard doesn't do HD.

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Post by Mystic Jack » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:09 pm

I wonder if I can trade in my other DVD's for this. :P
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:12 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Not the update we were hoping for, but apparently that will come SOON ENOUGH. Finally, we can stop bitching and whining like pathetic fanboys.
Let's not go that far, there will always be something to bitch about ;)

Anyway, like a 1911 that has just locked its slide back after shooting the last round, I await a new magazine of ammunition courtesy of FUNi.

...hm, that reminds me, I should clean my 1911...

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Post by SkitzZero » Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:34 pm

Has anyone considered the fact that FUNimation might use double-sided dual layer DVDs? That would give them more than enough room to fit all the content they have promised, and at a great bit-rate.

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Post by Castor Troy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:59 am

SkitzZero wrote:Has anyone considered the fact that FUNimation might use double-sided dual layer DVDs? That would give them more than enough room to fit all the content they have promised, and at a great bit-rate.
It would be way too easy to scratch those, plus I HATE double sided dvds.

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:21 am

MajinVejita wrote:Anyway, like a 1911 that has just locked its slide back after shooting the last round, I await a new magazine of ammunition courtesy of FUNi.

...hm, that reminds me, I should clean my 1911...
DragonBall? Metal? Star Trek: The Next Generation? And now a semiautomatic?

Amazing. You become a more interesting a person by the second.
SkitzZero wrote:Has anyone considered the fact that FUNimation might use double-sided dual layer DVDs? That would give them more than enough room to fit all the content they have promised, and at a great bit-rate.
While I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Castor Troy with regards to preference, I'm thinking that a lot of us would be willing to sacrifice said preference if it means enhancing the quality of the disc material. Dual-layer DVDs bother me, they really do . . . but eh, I can always slip some plastic over them and just forget about it.

However, I would call it a long shot. FUNimation had the chance to do dual-layer for the original DragonBall-- a series whose sets really demanded it, considering the episode count-- but my Tenshinhan saga set still has a mind-boggling nine episodes on two single-side DVDs nonetheless.

Has FUNi ever released any of their other properties in dual format, I wonder? Because then we might have a chance.
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Post by Gokuden553 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:04 am

After seeing the trailer I've decided to compare one frame with the same one from the Ultimate Uncut edition and Dragon Box image...

Ultimate Uncut

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Here we have the original releace for the Saiyan saga or otherwise known as the re-releaced Ultimate Uncut series.

The colours haven't changed much since the Pioneer version also you can clearly see that the sky has been darkened a lot, not to mention all of the scenery has been darkened... with the same old zoomed in style that Funi did.

Funi-Remaster

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Since Funi have decided to correct their past errors and releace a remastered version of DBZ which should be simular to Dragon Box's quality.

Well by comparing this picture to the Ultimate Uncut one, you can clearly see the only thing that seems to have been corrected so far is the colour of Yamcha and the Saibaiman also the scenery seems a big brighter than before... yet the sky still seems too dark ^^;

Also the right side of the image seems to have been stretched and shows the full view of the mountain instead of just half of it, though by doing this both the top and bottom halfs of the image have been lost in the process.

Dragon Box

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And finally we have the original Dragon Box master, compared to the Ultimate Uncut and Funi-remaster image you can clearly see the difference in both quality and contrast.

Notice how the colours blend in nicely not to mention the sky is really clear and the clours on the characters and scenery is spot on.

The bottom line is it seems that Funimation arn't able to releace the original Japanese remastered footage, and by making a remastered series of their own episodes... they had to loose the top and bottom halves of the image.

I don't know about you but I prefered the zoomed in style instead of this, just imagine the camera panning up Goku's body and at the top it only showed his mouth and his eyes would be not seen :shock:

*Ok I'm done, I thought this up last night so you could compare images with your own if you want to aswell... well I'm off*

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Post by ect5150 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:47 am

Gokuden553 wrote:Funi-Remaster
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They released the screen shots already? I didn't see it over on Funi's forum, where did this shot come from?

EDIT: Ah... its at the end of the online trailer. I wouldn't use that as a reference. Word is the extra info they will be providing will be out Wednesday. (before they head out for the holidays I guess)

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Post by tarsonis » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:06 am

Gokuden553 wrote:The bottom line is it seems that Funimation arn't able to releace the original Japanese remastered footage, and by making a remastered series of their own episodes... they had to loose the top and bottom halves of the image.
I certainly hope it doesn't come to that. Even if they don't use the whole picture like in in the Dragon Box, they can't start cropping off part of the picture that we've already seen in the other DVDs.

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Post by Blitzen » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:08 am

ect5150 wrote: What? We're not getting high def on DVD. The DVD standard doesn't do HD.
I know this. This is obvious. What I am saying is why go through the effort of making masters like that, using them as the basis for a DVD release that cannot fully make use of them, and then make it worse?

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Post by Li'l Lemmy » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:13 am

etc5150 wrote:EDIT: Ah... its at the end of the online trailer. I wouldn't use that as a reference. Word is the extra info they will be providing will be out Wednesday. (before they head out for the holidays I guess)
Exactly. The trailer is very theatrical, and probably not meant to be a true representation. I wouldn't take the "widescreen" version displayed there at face value at all. It's nice of you to go through the trouble, Gokuden, but I'm going to keep my eye on the FUNi website for now . . . because very soon we shall have answers.

Blitzen? Tarsonis? Wow, looks like everybody's up and waiting to see those comparisons, huh?

(MOUSE-DRAWN FUN: This is probably how Corey says "Hands Off My Dragonbox" in Japanese.)
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Post by tarsonis » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:24 am

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Blitzen? Tarsonis? Wow, looks like everybody's up and waiting to see those comparisons, huh?
:lol:

Well, I posted from work where I have to get here early in the morning (and also I'm in EST.)

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Post by Slickmasterfunk » Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:38 am

Has anyone else noticed in those Yamcha shots that there actually is some picture on the side than even the Dragon Box? Look at the far right of all three shots. In the widescreen you can see another tiny mountain/hill in the background that isn't even in the Dragon Box image.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:03 pm

Slickmasterfunk wrote:Has anyone else noticed in those Yamcha shots that there actually is some picture on the side than even the Dragon Box? Look at the far right of all three shots. In the widescreen you can see another tiny mountain/hill in the background that isn't even in the Dragon Box image.
I noticed that. Must be what they're referring to on the whole "extra footage" bullshit thing. Though really, I'd rather have a minuscule amount of the sides of the screen sacrificed than 10% of the top and bottom respectively. I mean seriously...Who the fuck asked for DBZ in wide-screen!? NO-ONE! We all know it's supposed to be in full-screen, and cropping it doesn't make the quality anywhere near as good as if they just used the intended 4:3 format.

Anywho, that's my rant. Cropping wide-screen or not, I'm still getting the first season set, as well as every single other set following it. The pros far outweigh the cons (cropping wide-screen, bit-rate issues [which I don't have a big deal with]). I mean hell; 39 episodes for $50, in a MUCH better remastered format than that retarded filtering attempt with the Ultimate Uncuts, option to watch the dub with the Japanese BGM (STELLAR addition IMO), and of course the Japanese version with Daimao's faithful subs.

I mean I'm kind of a cheap guy as it is in some regards, as you'll see with my disdain for Atari if they release anymore DBZ games for the Ps2, but this deal is just too good to pass up for me. Heck, I got the Evangelion Platinum set and twin-pack Movies set, so I basically have that entire series now. I want all of DBZ, and these season sets seem to be the cheapest and quickest way for me to get it.

I've said my piece on this topic, nice comparison pics you guys, later!
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Post by Gokuden553 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:49 pm

I'm glad my comparisons helped :wink:
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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:20 pm

Did any of you complainers, ever think that Wide screen is at a higher resolution then full screen, thus being a good thing in the long run. Also in 20 years when everyone has a wide screen tv, wont you be happy that your dbz dvds will fill up more then a third the screen.
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