"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I have a feeling Frieza has something coming.

Freeza will be in one of the previous chapters in the collected edition. In it, Freeza says he doesn't want to get involved because he doesn't want to deal with criminals, as he sees himself as a businessman. Only Freeza could kill so many yet look at himself as the good guy.

Zamasu would like a word with you on that last part. You know committing genocide across multiple timelines because a mortal was stronger than you and such....all for the sake of twisted justice.

[Mad Swami]

I have a feeling Frieza has something coming.

Freeza will be in one of the previous chapters in the collected edition. In it, Freeza says he doesn't want to get involved because he doesn't want to deal with criminals, as he sees himself as a businessman. Only Freeza could kill so many yet look at himself as the good guy.

Wow

[Mad Swami]

Considering RF and Zamasu's endings, there's plenty of ways for them to completely mess this up.





I think the ending will be very similar to the TOP. Vegeta will beat Moro, but won't be able to kill him, just as Goku beat Jiren but couldn't knock him out. And like Goku needing help to deliver the finishing blow to Jiren from Freeza and 17, I think Goku and Buu will get involved again to help Vegeta finish things.

I have a feeling Frieza has something coming. I don't know why but I get the sense we might see Moro press his foot on Vegeta's chest near the end of an even fight and just before Moro finishes him we see like a death beam pierce through Moro's shoulder or something. Then Vegeta finishes him or something. I feel Frieza has been strangely very absent from the story and I think there is a reason

Truth be told, when you are the Emperor of the Universe, ruling countless planets and having vast armies to command your subjects, the last thing you would like to have is for a delusional wizard with the powers of gods to go around with his minions and lay waste/take over worlds.

Freeza should feel threatened. So he probably is somehow watching the fight with Moro. Kinda comical if you ask me. We don't have Beerus looking over the things, but Freeza does. That would make for an interesting plot point.

Also, despite the fact that the Galactic Patrol did not recognize most of the Empire's actions, I believe that they felt better with some extremely strong individuals being in charge of all these worlds that could cause wars (like the Saiyans eliminating the Tsufurians)

Yeah exactly

[Mister_Popo]

Freeza doesn't have any abilitiy within his grasp to do something against Moro in the slightest way, if even Omen fails, what does Freeza have to offer as he only rivals Blue in his Golden Form?
if the angels keep their vow and Vegeta falls together with Goku, the only hope remains ... Beerus.
If they'd give him a hint "there will be no more delicious food if the Earth falls into Moro hands".
Or he should realize it himself.
He loves the food on earth. That was the main reason he spared Earth at the end of BOG.
That should do the trick just fine.

[Matches Malone]

if the angels keep their vow and Vegeta falls together with Goku, the only hope remains ... Beerus.

I'm also beginning to think he'll get involved, I just hope there'll be more to it than food, like him actually knowing Moro. If he fights, I don't want him to pull a Zamasu and Hakai him out of existence, I want to see a real fight that forces him to put some effort into it.

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

if the angels keep their vow and Vegeta falls together with Goku, the only hope remains ... Beerus.

I'm also beginning to think he'll get involved, I just hope there'll be more to it than food, like him actually knowing Moro. If he fights, I don't want him to pull a Zamasu and Hakai him out of existence, I want to see a real fight that forces him to put some effort into it.

Do you think Moro even knows who Beerus is? Because if he does, he might try to flee the scene and use magic to distract them. Moro isn't stupid and I bet he'd realize that facing THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION might be a bad idea, especially when you can't sense him. I wouldn't put it past Moro to flee once he sees he outmatched before Beerus can hakai him.

[Mad Swami]

Freeza doesn't have any abilitiy within his grasp to do something against Moro in the slightest way, if even Omen fails, what does Freeza have to offer as he only rivals Blue in his Golden Form?
if the angels keep their vow and Vegeta falls together with Goku, the only hope remains ... Beerus.
If they'd give him a hint "there will be no more delicious food if the Earth falls into Moro hands".
Or he should realize it himself.
He loves the food on earth. That was the main reason he spared Earth at the end of BOG.
That should do the trick just fine.

Well that's why I said he might have something in the works. Not to mention, if Moro was weakened Frieza could clean up. Look at that weakened Jiren fight

[Matches Malone]

Moro isn't stupid and I bet he'd realize that facing THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION might be a bad idea.

Unless he himself was a god of destruction. Every angle attends a destroyer, but Merus, who happens to have history with Moro, who happens to destroy planets by absorbing their energy, is a loner ? I think there's a good chance that Moro was U7's previous destroyer, and Merus was his angle. Moro got too aggressive with destroying planets, and thus was replaced by Beerus.

[emperior]

I really don’t think Beerus will be fighting. The arc has been heavily foreshadowing how it’s going to end and there’s not a single hint that Beerus will be heavily involved or that Moro even personally knows him. To create a connection now that we are in the climax would be too late.

At best, I think that what might happen is that Beerus and Whis will be travelling to Earth, but Merus will anticipate them somehow, maybe using a secret technique or by requesting for Kaioshin’s/Buu’s help telepathically to teleport to Earth. Then he will end up going against the Angel laws and a few minutes later Beerus and Whis will arrive when it’s too late and the sin has been done.

Theoretically all the Angels should be able to revert time by 3 minutes so Merus could be saved like this by Whis or their father, and Beerus could then kill Moro himself. But then, would they punish Merus or not?

[Mister_Popo]

if the angels keep their vow and Vegeta falls together with Goku, the only hope remains ... Beerus.

I'm also beginning to think he'll get involved, I just hope there'll be more to it than food, like him actually knowing Moro. If he fights, I don't want him to pull a Zamasu and Hakai him out of existence, I want to see a real fight that forces him to put some effort into it.

It would be a way to get Beerus involved, without him losing any of his typical 'lazy-i don't care' traits.
A cat doesn't like it when its food is taken. No cat likes that. That's a fact.
But that does not actually mean he's no asshole anymore and he suddenly deeply cares about Goku and the gang.
Nor that he has suddenly become the next Z-fighter.
He just want to keep his delicious meals when he visits Earth, if the earth is completely sucked dry by Moro, that's no longer possible.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Moro isn't stupid and I bet he'd realize that facing THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION might be a bad idea.

Unless he himself was a god of destruction. Every angle attends a destroyer, but Merus, who happens to have history with Moro, who happens to destroy planets by absorbing their energy, is a loner ? I think there's a good chance that Moro was U7's previous destroyer, and Merus was his angle. Moro got too aggressive with destroying planets, and thus was replaced by Beerus.

The problem with that theory is that Merus has been presented as a young angel-in-training. Not even a full angel.

As we know an Angel has a link to a GoD, so without the latter an angel shouldn't be active yes? But, here is where the ToP comes in. Despite losing their universes, the Angels were spared...

So it's more like Merus probably took note of Moro's threat, given how the Grand Supreme Kai was needed to defeat him long ago, instead of ataking a step back. He even joined the time patrol to ensure that he stays imprisoned. Because as much as the God of Destruction can make decisions about 'affecting the natural circle of creation and destruction', the same can be said for the Lord of Lords.

Merus definitely wouldn't let Moro have second chances.

So why would an angel-in-training be need in the multiverse? Perhaps we know. It is for the same reason the angels survived in the ToP. Zeno would have erased everything unless a righteous individual brought every universe back with the help of Super Shenron. So keeping the Nagels would be insignificant?

No. Perhaps this was a hint that Zeno wished to start anew. Rebuild a multiverse. Undo his mistake from the past of erasing 8 universes. Merus could he part of this plan.

That's my best guess rn. The only one that makes sense. I don't think that 'the GoD before Beerus' thing stands very well. Imo

[Femme Fatale Kikaza]

I really don’t think Beerus will be fighting. The arc has been heavily foreshadowing how it’s going to end and there’s not a single hint that Beerus will be heavily involved or that Moro even personally knows him. To create a connection now that we are in the climax would be too late.

At best, I think that what might happen is that Beerus and Whis will be travelling to Earth, but Merus will anticipate them somehow, maybe using a secret technique or by requesting for Kaioshin’s/Buu’s help telepathically to teleport to Earth. Then he will end up going against the Angel laws and a few minutes later Beerus and Whis will arrive when it’s too late and the sin has been done.

Theoretically all the Angels should be able to revert time by 3 minutes so Merus could be saved like this by Whis or their father, and Beerus could then kill Moro himself. But then, would they punish Merus or not?

They'll find a way to make Beerus won't do anything, either out of laziness or because 'Mortals should be able to fend for themselves and not have the gods do everything' or something else. Maybe they'll go to earth but I doubt Beerus will do anything of importance.

Moro is just a strong wizard, if he were a GoD or something Beerus would probably do something about it because he doesn't like other destroyers being in his terf. He'd also probably be able to report this to Zeno if needed, who would gladly erase Moro from existence.

I think the issue with Merus trying anything is that Whis seems like he's literally hovering over Merus. I imagine Merus trying to pull a fast one would result in Whis somehow intercepting it and preventing Merus from doing anything. The last thing Whis needs is Merus killing himself and earning the Grand Priest's ire for failing to protect Merus.

Honestly Merus's biggest issue will be Whis when it comes interfering, seeing as Whis is legit watching his every move.

[Mister_Popo]

I really don’t think Beerus will be fighting. The arc has been heavily foreshadowing how it’s going to end and there’s not a single hint that Beerus will be heavily involved or that Moro even personally knows him.

I won't say Beerus getting involved is necessarily the ultimate ending (just innocent speculation).
I just said the Beerus vs Moro would make more sense than Freeza vs Moro.
It was just to react on the Freeza-stuff that was posted.

[Matches Malone]

I think the issue with Merus trying anything is that Whis seems like he's literally hovering over Merus.

I honestly can't see Merus or anyone for that matter pulling a fast one on Whis. Either Beerus will allow him to get involved, or earth will be saved by Vegeta, Goku, and possibly Buu. We know from earlier chapters that Buu lost his abilities to seal Moro away due to Kid Buu getting most of his power, so maybe he found a way to do it again ?

[Mister_Popo]

I think the issue with Merus trying anything is that Whis seems like he's literally hovering over Merus.

I honestly can't see Merus or anyone for that matter pulling a fast one on Whis. Either Beerus will allow him to get involved, or earth will be saved by Vegeta, Goku, and possibly Buu. We know from earlier chapters that Buu lost his abilities to seal Moro away due to Kid Buu getting most of his power, so maybe he found a way to do it again ?

For some reason i would like more for the story to end that way.
The Daikaioshins powers restored (after a wish?), and he again seals away Moro.
The circle is rounded that way. It's not about Merus or the angels getting involved, it's about U7's own battle against an ancient evil.

[Koitsukai]

I agree Merus getting involved would require a major... plothole? (don't know what word to use here) due to having Whis, a stronger, older, more experienced angel, watching his every move, and he should be more alert than ever now that Merus' student has bitten the dust. I don't see Beerus having the authority to tell Whis what to do regarding Merus either, after all it's a deal between Whis and his father about another angel. As of now, I don't see a logical way to get Merus to fight Moro.
Although one could wonder, what is the point of having him in the first place if not even his UI training seemed to work?

About Beerus joining the fight, I confess I didn't read that much into it the first time I read the chapter, but if he is actually considering to get involved, it would be refreshing as fuck. But only if he is going to fight, if he is going to be there like some sort of safety switch, then please don't, RoF all over again no, please.
So, he can fight Moro: meaning Vegeta's training didn't work, which would suck.
He can fight alongside Vegeta meaning Moro is way stronger than we actually need him to be, and at a level that would come out of nowhere really. Moro vs Beerus, Goku and Vegeta should be overkill.
Personally, I think Beerus joining now is a bit too late. I would've preferred Beerus losing to Moro, raising up the stakes and then have Vegeta showing up.

I think this will be DBS last arc, we are too close to EoZ, and the upcoming movie shouldn't take place before EoZ unless it's trying to retcon it, so maybe they are planning to give Beerus a fight or something useful to do. Also, like other people theorized, it would be cool if Beerus actually brought some background for Moro.

[Grand Marshal 1]

I agree Merus getting involved would require a major... plothole? (don't know what word to use here) due to having Whis, a stronger, older, more experienced angel, watching his every move, and he should be more alert than ever now that Merus' student has bitten the dust. I don't see Beerus having the authority to tell Whis what to do regarding Merus either, after all it's a deal between Whis and his father about another angel. As of now, I don't see a logical way to get Merus to fight Moro.
Although one could wonder, what is the point of having him in the first place if not even his UI training seemed to work?

About Beerus joining the fight, I confess I didn't read that much into it the first time I read the chapter, but if he is actually considering to get involved, it would be refreshing as fuck. But only if he is going to fight, if he is going to be there like some sort of safety switch, then please don't, RoF all over again no, please.
So, he can fight Moro: meaning Vegeta's training didn't work, which would suck.
He can fight alongside Vegeta meaning Moro is way stronger than we actually need him to be, and at a level that would come out of nowhere really. Moro vs Beerus, Goku and Vegeta should be overkill.
Personally, I think Beerus joining now is a bit too late. I would've preferred Beerus losing to Moro, raising up the stakes and then have Vegeta showing up.

I think this will be DBS last arc, we are too close to EoZ, and the upcoming movie shouldn't take place before EoZ unless it's trying to retcon it, so maybe they are planning to give Beerus a fight or something useful to do. Also, like other people theorized, it would be cool if Beerus actually brought some background for Moro.

Do you believe that they will stick to the End of Z as a definitive ending? I personally doubt it. I want to see more instead of a timeskip tbh. And DragonBall has been around for several years already, but the passion that it recandled cannot go away easily rn.

Not to mention that even Heroes puts some thought in expanding Super (moreso using it as concept, with us getting 3 entire arcs from the game).

Finally, there is the U6 v U7 Arc point where Goku and Co. Learn about Kid Buu being reincarnated as a young boy. I think Goku already knows of Uub's existence, which he didn't in EoZ (?)

[Matches Malone]

For some reason i would like more for the story to end that way.
The Daikaioshins powers restored (after a wish?), and he again seals away Moro.
The circle is rounded that way. It's not about Merus or the angels getting involved, it's about U7's own battle against an ancient evil.

Exactly. Beerus spared U7 back in BOG, Whis saved it in RF, and Zeno saved it from Zamasu. Do we really want it to happen a 4th time ? Have Buu come back with his powers restored with Vegeta holding Moro off as Buu charges whatever it is and seals him up. While that's going on, Goku and the Z fighters fight and take down 7-3.

[Koitsukai]

Do you believe that they will stick to the End of Z as a definitive ending? I personally doubt it. I want to see more instead of a timeskip tbh. And DragonBall has been around for several years already, but the passion that it recandled cannot go away easily rn.

Not to mention that even Heroes puts some thought in expanding Super (moreso using it as concept, with us getting 3 entire arcs from the game).

Finally, there is the U6 v U7 Arc point where Goku and Co. Learn about Kid Buu being reincarnated as a young boy. I think Goku already knows of Uub's existence, which he didn't in EoZ (?)

Yeah, I think it'll remain as the official ending, it's part of the original material, I don't see how or why would they retcon it, specially with Toyo being such a fanboy and so respectful of the original material. They can always continue with new stories after it, Goku doesn't have to spend 5 or 10 years with Uub, Super Golden Freeza could show up a week after they fly off.

And Goku knows about Uub in EoZ, that's why he is so hyped about the TB. The only thing that seems off is Dende's shock when Piccolo says Goku vs Uub is going to be the most interesting fight, because in DBS he was the one that tells Goku about him.

[batistabus]

Whis is a teacher. His training of Goku and Vegeta has been ongoing since RoF. He permits them to be put at risk, but he does little things to nudge them in the right direction (the Redo, distracting Broly while they practice fusion, secretly teaching them to fight as a team). He is also a teacher of Beerus, which is partially why he keeps Goku and Vegeta around - to inspire Beerus. If Beerus is indeed going to earth, Merus is likely to tag along, and I'm guessing it's a test .

Whis knows Merus is willing to put himself at risk for humans, and if he is to be an angel, he must put his feelings aside for the sake of their duty. Will Whis allow Merus to fail? It's been a while since RoF...what if Whis gave him a Redo? Would Merus make the same mistake twice?