"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[UpFromTheSkies]

I like the Kai colors

[Lord Beerus]

I like the Kai colors

Spoiler:

Meh. I prefer the current logo over that. At least the colours blend well.

[SaiyanZ]

Contrary to popular belief (for.. some reason), I don't really think Toriyama's work even has that many plot holes, like 2 or 3 sure, but that's to be expected with a 520 chapter manga, various other works have more. It does have a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies, though.

I'm in the same boat, I don't think there are that many and whatever ones I find aren't really that big to me.

[Hellspawn28]

To me the manga has way less inconsistencies compare to the DBZ anime, the older DBZ films and GT did in my opinion. Heck fillers in the DB and DBZ anime cause major plot holes in the story if you ask me.

[SaiyanZ]

To me the manga has way less inconsistencies compare to the DBZ anime, the older DBZ films and GT did in my opinion. Heck fillers in the DB and DBZ anime cause major plot holes in the story if you ask me.

Agree with that too. Especially the whole villains keeping their bodies in Hell thing when they can just rebel against Yemma

[UpFromTheSkies]

The only problem I've seen with the story is that the dragon balls could have been used to overcome every problem they faced.

-They could have wished for Radditz, Nappa, and Vegeta to be relocated to a remote, lifeless planet without their space pods or scouters
-They could have wished for Vegeta and Nappa's space pods to disappear while they were traveling through space, resulting in them suffocating
-They could have wished for Goku to be cured of his heart disease
-They could have wished for a device to disable the androids, wished to relocate them, or wished for the location of Dr Gero's lab and destroyed it before they were finished being made
-They could have wished to relocate Freeza, Cell, and Babidi to the center of black holes
-They could have wished to relocate Buu's egg to the most remote place in the universe, away from anyone who might wake him up, and then blast Babidi and his space ship to hell

[Doctor.]

The only problem I've seen with the story is that the dragon balls could have been used to overcome every problem they faced.

-They could have wished for Radditz, Nappa, and Vegeta to be relocated to a remote, lifeless planet without their space pods or scouters
-They could have wished for Vegeta and Nappa's space pods to disappear while they were traveling through space, resulting in them suffocating
-They could have wished for Goku to be cured of his heart disease
-They could have wished for a device to disable the androids, wished to relocate them, or wished for the location of Dr Gero's lab and destroyed it before they were finished being made
-They could have wished to relocate Freeza, Cell, and Babidi to the center of black holes
-They could have wished to relocate Buu's egg to the most remote place in the universe, away from anyone who might wake him up, and then blast Babidi and his space ship to hell

Shenlong has already stated he can't affect beings that are stronger than his creator, that's why Porunga couldn't force Goku to come back to Earth. The only wishes that could have worked would be the heart disease one, which is debatable since Shenlong can't stop natural deaths, so I'm not sure why this would be an exception, and the one about finding Gero's lab, and that was already suggested by Bulma and denied by Goku, Vegeta and Tenshinhan.

Either way, the Dragon Ball manga, which is the best the series has to offer, has tons of problems for me and it's still my favourite piece of fiction, really.

[Hellspawn28]

If the Dragon Balls can't stop natural deaths then I doubt Shenron can create a cure for Goku's heart virus.

[Captain Space]

If the Dragon Balls can't stop natural deaths then I doubt Shenron can create a cure for Goku's heart virus.

It's just a specific collection of chemicals, shouldn't be impossible.

[Doctor.]

Trunks had already given them the cure, it'd be completely unnecessary. Unless you guys are referring to the future timeline, in which case I think they didn't have enough time to think about it and gather the balls.

[fadeddreams5]

The only problem I've seen with the story is that the dragon balls could have been used to overcome every problem they faced.

-They could have wished for Radditz, Nappa, and Vegeta to be relocated to a remote, lifeless planet without their space pods or scouters
-They could have wished for Vegeta and Nappa's space pods to disappear while they were traveling through space, resulting in them suffocating
-They could have wished for Goku to be cured of his heart disease
-They could have wished for a device to disable the androids, wished to relocate them, or wished for the location of Dr Gero's lab and destroyed it before they were finished being made
-They could have wished to relocate Freeza, Cell, and Babidi to the center of black holes
-They could have wished to relocate Buu's egg to the most remote place in the universe, away from anyone who might wake him up, and then blast Babidi and his space ship to hell

I don't think a relocation wish can work if the person being relocated does not will it, which is seen when they try to bring Goku back to Earth. I don't think they could just wish for a device to deactivate beings stronger than them. Wishing for Gero's location is something that was brought up in the actual manga, but Goku and Vegeta refused. The heart virus wish could have worked, but they already had medicine for that in the present. In the future, the time of Goku's heart condition may have correlated with the moment everyone was killed by the androids, so they may have thought about it, but Piccolo ended up dying before they could do it.

Relocating Buu's egg may have worked, but they probably felt they could stop the threat without having to collect the dragon balls. As for the space pod wish... that's just too clever. xD

[Chuquita]

Should we be worried about Funi being able to secure simulcast rights? Is it not too late for them to not have announced anything about it yet? Are there any cons coming up that they might use as venues to announce "Hey, we have the rights to Super and will simulcast it."? Actual mainstream magazines had news articles on Super; there isn't any way Toei would be ignoring doing an international simulcast right off, right?

[DBZ_Lee]

Should we be worried about Funi being able to secure simulcast rights? Is it not too late for them to not have announced anything about it yet? Are there any cons coming up that they might use as venues to announce "Hey, we have the rights to Super and will simulcast it."? Actual mainstream magazines had news articles on Super; there isn't any way Toei would be ignoring doing an international simulcast right off, right?

There is Anime Expo - which takes place the very weekend Super debuts. But that's about it (as far as I'm aware).

[Retan]

Isn't there like Crunchy Roll and Hulu plus that could get them, or does Funi already poses the rights to Super as well automatically? Really don't know how it works.

[FortuneSSJ]

I still don't epect any interesting news this week.
Next week is when the Hype Train keeps rollin again.

[Avenged]

Collaborations begin

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[Retan]

I guess I'm still shocked that they announced it 2 months before the premiere, is that normal for most anime? Then it must of been one of those Toriyama want's to do it, so we gotta do it now, why that makes the 2 months okay, I don't know but... whatever.

[Blade]

I guess I'm still shocked that they announced it 2 months before the premiere, is that normal for most anime? Then it must of been one of those Toriyama want's to do it, so we gotta do it now, why that makes the 2 months okay, I don't know but... whatever.

It's possibly because they wanted to strike a balance between not overshadowing Revival of F and clinging to the coat-tails of its release in publicising Super.

[Doctor.]

I guess I'm still shocked that they announced it 2 months before the premiere, is that normal for most anime? Then it must of been one of those Toriyama want's to do it, so we gotta do it now, why that makes the 2 months okay, I don't know but... whatever.

I'm more surprised that there's literally less than a month to go and the only things they've revealed are the director, the logo, Toriyama involvement and Masako Nozawa and Ryuusei Nakao returning, that's it. I'm worried they're still in very early stages of the project.

[Mewzard]

Shenlong has already stated he can't affect beings that are stronger than his creator, that's why Porunga couldn't force Goku to come back to Earth. The only wishes that could have worked would be the heart disease one, which is debatable since Shenlong can't stop natural deaths, so I'm not sure why this would be an exception, and the one about finding Gero's lab, and that was already suggested by Bulma and denied by Goku, Vegeta and Tenshinhan.

Either way, the Dragon Ball manga, which is the best the series has to offer, has tons of problems for me and it's still my favourite piece of fiction, really.

Not true. They could have killed the life support in the pods, had them blow up, alter their course into a star or Black Hole, replaced the oxygen in the pods with chlorine gas, wished the pods full of water, turned the oxygen into ozone, depressurized the pods, increase the internal pressure in the pods by several thousand fold, wished the air full of deadly viruses, wish the scouters to release ten billion volts of electricity directly into anything they have contact with, etc.

None of those wishes technically are altering the Saiyans, just their physical surroundings. There's absolutely no reason those wishes wouldn't happen (you can argue some of them would fail, but they still should happen).

Hell, the idea that Shenron can't grand wishes beyond the power of Kami makes no sense given reviving the dead is beyond the power of Kami (Porunga shouldn't have been able to restore Goku's energy given how weak Mouri is).

But yeah, those comments aside, the wait is really getting intense. I wish they'd reveal more about Super already.