Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

From the looks of it.It looks like SSj Vegeta will wreck Base Cabba,which will make Vegeta disappointed.And force him to go SSj and wreck him.Which Vegeta is forced to go Blue.If SSj Caba won't one shot Vegeta or if Vegeta would't get obliterated by SSj Cabba's punch,then it pretty much confirmed that SSj Vegeta/Frost etc are god tiers.

I really want to watch episode 37 now. It's time for some answers.

[Bullza]

If Vegeta is forced to turn into a Super Saiyan Blue then Cabba is either equal to or stronger than him, that's all.

From the preview it looks like Vegeta fights against Cabba first in their base forms, which looks like it might confirm that Cabba would be weaker than Frost (Third Form Frost at that).

Cabba transforms into a Super Saiyan for the first time during the fight maybe? Which would mean Cabba wasn't lying afterall. The two fight as Super Saiyans before Vegeta goes God mode.

Like someone said though it'll be interesting to see how SSJ measures up to SSJB. If SSJB doesn't stomp him easily then that could put to rest the entire two bases theory if it doesn't already because if that was the case then wouldn't it be enough for Vegeta to just go into his SBG form to win?

[ZombieVito]

If Vegeta is forced to turn into a Super Saiyan Blue then Cabba is either equal to or stronger than him, that's all.

From the preview it looks like Vegeta fights against Cabba first in their base forms, which looks like it might confirm that Cabba would be weaker than Frost (Third Form Frost at that).

Cabba transforms into a Super Saiyan for the first time during the fight maybe? Which would mean Cabba wasn't lying afterall. The two fight as Super Saiyans before Vegeta goes God mode.

Like someone said though it'll be interesting to see how SSJ measures up to SSJB. If SSJB doesn't stomp him easily then that could put to rest the entire two bases theory if it doesn't already because if that was the case then wouldn't it be enough for Vegeta to just go into his SBG form to win?

You did it. You just disproved the two bases theory.

[Birusu16]

I'm at the point where I don't believe Goku and Vegeta wield SSG level power in any form outside of SSB anyway.

[LowRyder2005]

There doesn't even look to be any difference. It seems to be nigh even, so I'm confused as to where people are getting this assumption that he's massively stronger than Vegeta. No, he's not. The reason he transforms is because Cabba (as a SSJ) can fight on equal terms with him (as a SSJ) and the only way he's going to win is if he transforms.

This is substantiated by the episode summaries released a few weeks ago as well where it's mentioned that base Cabba is able to fight on par with Vegeta (meaning base vs base) and we see a bit of that in the preview. Vegeta then goes SSJ and wrecks him and forces Cabba to finally transform and they're back on equal terms. Then Vegeta tips the scale in his favor once again with SSB.

Actually, you are right in saying Vegeta looks like having an edge in base vs. base. Cabba definitely looks like he can't keep up with him, from what we are shown.
My qualm is that if you have Base Cabba < Base Vegeta you can't end up with Super Saiyan Vegeta < Super Saiyan Cabba anyway, so what's the point of Vegeta going SS Blue against Cabba?

Guess I'll retract this. Unless Cabba has a Super Saiyan God form under his sleeve (and I doubt it, I'm pretty convinced he's transforming for the first time), I guess Vegeta will beat him too with the old regular Super Saiyan. Then he will go Super Saiyan Blue for another, yet unspecified reason.

[Khin]

I'm at the point where I don't believe Goku and Vegeta wield SSG level power in any form outside of SSB anyway.

If that's the case.Beerus could've one shot SSj/Base Goku,but he didn't.And also...

Spoiler:

Minute: 23
Context: Beerus points out to Goku that he’s no longer Super Saiyan God
Beerus: “You’re out of time, aren’t you? After all, your Super Saiyan God aura has vanished! You’re a bit slow on the uptake.”
Goku: “Huh? When did that happen? But I don’t feel like I’ve gotten weaker at all! What’s going on, Beerus-sama?”
Beerus: “Don’t ask me!”
Goku: “But you’re a god, right?”
Beerus: “Well, it seems that the power of Super Saiyan God didn’t just vanish when time ran out. The power has fully merged with you and become your own. God’s crimson radiance still burns inside you like a flame.”

[Bullza]

It does kinda doesn't it. If the two are shown to be equal in Super Saiyan form and the two base forms theory is true then it should be enough for Vegeta to go back to base and then turn on his God power. Seeing as throughout the entire tournament the characters have only been going as far as necessary in order to win that's what you'd expect.

But the preview could be telling us that SSJB is the next level up and not SBG and then SSJB.

Unless as the fight goes on SSJ Cabba becomes that much more powerful than SSJ Vegeta that he has to skip a level to stay above him. We see Cabba's eyes have a firey glow to them which may or may not make him more powerful, like some drastic anger boost that puts him so far above Vegeta then he skips SBG and goes straight to SSJB but that's probably reaching.

[ZombieVito]

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

[dbzfan7]

I don't buy that heroes crap honestly. All bets on Vegeta doesn't use this so called "SBG" thing and goes right to Blue. Why bother going that far if "SBG" is a thing? I believe Super just changed the rules like GT would. I think Base isn't anything that extraordinary and SSJB is the god power, since that's when no one could sense Goku. It'd also keep the forms as having big boosts like they should, instead of tiny boosts the Kaioken can go higher than.

[LowRyder2005]

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

Well, If Cabba beats Vegeta, I guess it could mean the tournament ends there or goes wrong somehow... because Vegeta would be going Super Saiyan Blue to face a threat.
Unless you meant that as in "Super Saiyan Cabba beats Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta", but I don't really see it happening. I think Cabba is quite explicitly meant to be the underdog.

I think I see what you did here, though. If Super Saiyan Cabba beats Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, you would have to put Base Cabba is around... well, perhaps Super Vegito-tier or above.

[Bullza]

Unless Cabba has a Super Saiyan God form under his sleeve (and I doubt it, I'm pretty convinced he's transforming for the first time), I guess Vegeta will beat him too with the old regular Super Saiyan. Then he will go Super Saiyan Blue for another, yet unspecified reason.

There could be something to this. Cabba could have a secret SSJG form which makes Vegeta turn into SSJB which to me is very unlikely or perhaps more likely is that Vegeta beats Cabba mid way through the episode, Hit steps in and Vegeta uses SSJB against him from the start.

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

You mean if SSJ Cabba beats SSJB Vegeta? That could probably keep the two bases theory intact. If Cabba powers up that much that he's able to become stronger than SSJB Vegeta then it would make sense for Vegeta to skip the SBG form altogether.

[Khin]

I don't buy that heroes crap honestly. All bets on Vegeta doesn't use this so called "SBG" thing and goes right to Blue. Why bother going that far if "SBG" is a thing? I believe Super just changed the rules like GT would. I think Base isn't anything that extraordinary and SSJB is the god power, since that's when no one could sense Goku. It'd also keep the forms as having big boosts like they should, instead of tiny boosts the Kaioken can go higher than.

That would actually makes things worse.If SSj is still a 50x boost,then why didn't Goku used SSj2/SSj3 and beat the crap out of Beerus ? And for that to work.SSjBlue will also need to be a bigger boost that SSj3.Unless of course,you think Beerus used less than 1% of his power against SSj God/SSj Goku.

[Birusu16]

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

Not happening. Considering the episode after the next one has to do with Hit according to the episode titles a few weeks back means Cabba will only get one episode, so he's going to lose to Vegeta. I kind of figured that'd happen seeing as they likely want to hype Hit by having him defeat SSB Vegeta.

[LowRyder2005]

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

Not happening. Considering the episode after the next one has to do with Hit means Cabba will only get one episode, so he's going to lose to Vegeta. I kind of figured that'd happen seeing as they likely want to hype Hit by having him defeat SSB Vegeta.

Agreed.
I think Super Saiyan Vegeta beating Super Saiyan Cabba it's a pretty safe bet as of now.

[Khin]

Things could still fit,but the fight would be rushed like the Frost vs. Goku fight which only lasted half an episode.So Vegeta probably going to lose to Cabba in the 1st half and Goku beats Cabba in the second half.Hit then steps in episode 38 and beats a full powered SSJ Blue Goku.

[dbzfan7]

I don't buy that heroes crap honestly. All bets on Vegeta doesn't use this so called "SBG" thing and goes right to Blue. Why bother going that far if "SBG" is a thing? I believe Super just changed the rules like GT would. I think Base isn't anything that extraordinary and SSJB is the god power, since that's when no one could sense Goku. It'd also keep the forms as having big boosts like they should, instead of tiny boosts the Kaioken can go higher than.

That would actually makes things worse.If SSj is still a 50x boost,then why didn't Goku used SSj2/SSj3 and beat the crap out of Beerus ? And for that to work.SSjBlue will also need to be a bigger boost that SSj3.Unless of course,you think Beerus used less than 1% of his power against SSj God/SSj Goku.

My theory is for the time being, it didn't matter what form he was in, essentially the god power was channeling through him. Basically how Gohan could go SSJ or Ultimate before, and there wasn't really a difference (Theory). However after the events, he channeled the god power with SSJ Blue as that's the only time when no one can sense him. During the fight with Beerus, that's why his power never really changed as an SSJ or in base. The god power festered within him, so that's where all the power was coming from. I don't believe the minimal boosts as that makes the forms not very special, and makes Kaio-Ken have a bigger boost.

[Birusu16]

Don't see that happening at all. Aside from the fact that Cabba's completely outmatched against SSB Vegeta, the next episode is entirely Vegeta vs Cabba and there's absolutely no mention of Cabba in the episode after that. And for the most part the episode titles have been spot on when it comes to the content of the episode and said content almost always fills up the entire episode. No fight thus far has went into an episode where the episode title wasn't about them and I don't see that changing here.

Next episode will be Vegeta vs Cabba and the former will win. The following will detail Hit and probably his victory over Vegeta.

[LowRyder2005]

... That, and if Goku is going to fight, having Super Saiyan Blue Goku vs. Hit after the viewer saw Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta jobbing to Hit looks pretty much like the most TOEI-ish turn of events.

[Khin]

Don't see that happening at all. Aside from the fact that Cabba's completely outmatched against SSB Vegeta, the next episode is entirely Vegeta vs Cabba and there's absolutely no mention of Cabba in the episode after that. And for the most part the episode titles have been spot on when it comes to the content of the episode and said content almost always fills up the entire episode. No fight thus far has went into an episode where the episode title wasn't about them and I don't see that changing here.

They didn't mention anything after Cabba because they don't want to spoil the events.The same how they didn't show anything about Frost in episode 32 NEP.And who say's Cabba will be wrecked by Blue Vegeta ?

[ZombieVito]

What if Cabba beats Vegeta?

Not happening. Considering the episode after the next one has to do with Hit according to the episode titles a few weeks back means Cabba will only get one episode, so he's going to lose to Vegeta. I kind of figured that'd happen seeing as they likely want to hype Hit by having him defeat SSB Vegeta.

Goku can beat Cabba mid episode and then face Hit.