The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[PFM18]

Not exactly that he had another form. He just sensed he had more power hidden within, the same way Kuririn sensed that Trunks was holding back SSG3 to not show Vegeta he was stronger.

I guess that's possible but I think the implication was just that Freeza was stronger in equivalent forms and considering that Freeza is as strong as current Goku in their similar forms then it makes sense. Goku should have long since surpassed Frost in his Base

Well I personally don't have Goku getting múltiple times stronger since nowhere is that implied.

Well it is. Goku wasn't able to break Hits time dimension until he used KKx10 and then post-Zamasu Arc he completely shattered it without Kaioken against a stronger hit and a presumably more durable time dimension. That would be impossible unless he got 10x stronger since he fought Hit the previous time. Whether it be zenkais, ROSAT training, fighting at their limit, or rage boosts then Goku/Vegeta seemed to make huge strides during the Zamasu arc and Gokus fight with Hit confirmed this to be the case.

Personally, this makes more sense than assuming Champa can sense hidden power since nowhere is that implied.

[dragon boss z]

ToP Gohan vs SSJR Goku Black.
I say ToP Gohan because he is as strong as SSJ Kefla.

Could go either way at this point, I'll wait and see if anything is clarified in the up coming chapters.

10 new fights, the DBS ones are anime only:

1) True Golden Freeza vs Hit (U6 arc, can kill)
2) Ssj2 Goku (ToP) vs Base Vegeta (beginning of RoF arc, basically the one who, according to Goku, got much stronger than his BoG self)
3) Base Vegito (Buu saga, anime) vs Freeza (base, RoF arc)
4) Cocotte vs 18 (Buu saga)
5) Future 17 and Future 18 vs Ssj Goku, Ssj Vegeta and Ssj Future Trunks (all Androids arc, no heart virus for Goku)
6) Super Buu vs Ssj3 Goku (13th Movie)
7) Perfect Cell vs Ssj Gohan (RoF arc)
Piccolo (Buu saga) vs Bio-Broly
9) Ledgic vs Baby Gohan and Baby Goten
10) Goku, Vegeta, Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Mr. Buu, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Tienshinhan and Yamcha (all from the Buu saga, basically U7 team if the Tournament of Power had happened some years earlier; fusion dance is allowed but NO POTARAS) vs U6 team (Cabba, Kale and Caulifla never met the U7 Saiyans, so they don't know how to turn Ssj).

1. Frieza
2. Goku stomps and would win in base
3. can go either way. I'll say Vegito unless he runs out of time.
4. 18
5. The androids in an extremely intentness fight, but I could see the saiyans winning.
6. pass
7. Cell stomps RoF ssj Gohan<Cell games ssj Gohan<perfect Cell
8. pass
9. pass
10. If it's just the saiyans U7, if it's all of U6, then U6 wins due to Hit, Namekians, and Magetta, with the U6 saiyans still being able to take out the weaker character of U7.

New Hypothetical Battles
1.) Ultimate Gohan (with God ki) vs Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black
2.) Freeku (Goku and Freeza potara fusion) vs Jiren
3.) Super Saiyan Blue Caulifla and Super Saiyan 4 Kale vs Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta (Future Trunks Arc; No Kaioken for Goku)
4.) Piccolo (with God ki after training with Whis) vs Golden Freeza (Resurrection F)
5. MUI Vegetto (Post Survival arc) vs Whis
6. SSJ4 Kafla vs Champa
7. SSB Cabba vs Hit

1.Gohan
2. Freeku
3. Goku and Vegeta
4. Frieza
5. Whis
6. Champa
7. Hit

[sunsetshimmer]

Some fights:

1. Pan vs Ribrianne (manga)
2. Frost vs Frieza GT (mortal)
3. Base Kale (manga) vs Oceanus Shenron
4. Zangya vs Android 18 (Super)
5. Kefla (manga) vs GT Gohan (Super 17 saga)
6. Baby Goten SSJ vs Buutenks
7. Tagoma (with Ginyu) vs Ledgic

[ZombieVito]

Well it is. Goku wasn't able to break Hits time dimension until he used KKx10 and then post-Zamasu Arc he completely shattered it without Kaioken against a stronger hit and a presumably more durable time dimension. That would be impossible unless he got 10x stronger since he fought Hit the previous time. Whether it be zenkais, ROSAT training, fighting at their limit, or rage boosts then Goku/Vegeta seemed to make huge strides during the Zamasu arc and Gokus fight with Hit confirmed this to be the case.

Personally, this makes more sense than assuming Champa can sense hidden power since nowhere is that implied.

The technique Hit used in E72 and E73 isn't Time Skip.

Nothing in those episodes confirms Goku got 10 times stronger since the U6 tournament.

[RandomGuy96]

Some fights:

1. Pan vs Ribrianne (manga)
2. Frost vs Frieza GT (mortal)
3. Base Kale (manga) vs Oceanus Shenron
4. Zangya vs Android 18 (Super)
5. Kefla (manga) vs GT Gohan (Super 17 saga)
6. Baby Goten SSJ vs Buutenks
7. Tagoma (with Ginyu) vs Ledgic

1. Ribrianne could somewhat pressure #18, but was weaker. If this is GT Pan who is stated to be stronger than Trunks, she massacres Ribrianne. If not, and this is four year old Pan at the end of the manga, Ribrianne wins easily.
2. I really don't like GT matches, buuuut I think this one is somewhat doable. Freeza and Cell, both stated to have powered up massively, engaged Goku knowing both that he fought Kid Buu (who can be sensed across dimensions, so relevant to Cell at least) and that he beat Rildo (Rildo was among the villain army after all). Frost is weaker than SS1 Goku and not much stronger than Piccolo, neither of which are noted to have powered up a lot since the Buu arc. This makes them both stronger than SS3 Goku from the Buu arc, at least. So, Freeza should win handily.
3. Base Kale is stronger than SS Caulifla. Oceanus was killed by a Kamehameha from base Pan. No contest.
4. Zangya atomizes #18 with one blast. #18 was never noted to have powered up and Zangya is comparable to Cell Games SS Trunks going by their brief spar. Not to mention, in possession of a technique powerful enough to paralyze Cell Games SS Gohan.
5. Anime exclusive, pass.
6. Anime exclusive, pass.
7. Well, Ledgic is similar in power to Goku, who's a couple arcs away from being able to punk SS3-tier foes in base. So, as nonsensical as GT's power scaling is, I'd say Ledgic should be stronger.

[PFM18]

Well it is. Goku wasn't able to break Hits time dimension until he used KKx10 and then post-Zamasu Arc he completely shattered it without Kaioken against a stronger hit and a presumably more durable time dimension. That would be impossible unless he got 10x stronger since he fought Hit the previous time. Whether it be zenkais, ROSAT training, fighting at their limit, or rage boosts then Goku/Vegeta seemed to make huge strides during the Zamasu arc and Gokus fight with Hit confirmed this to be the case.

Personally, this makes more sense than assuming Champa can sense hidden power since nowhere is that implied.

The technique Hit used in E72 and E73 isn't Time Skip.

Nothing in those episodes confirms Goku got 10 times stronger since the U6 tournament.

When he uses a time manipulating move it creates a time dimension that is signaled by the background looking like broken glass. Goku was able to move in this time dimension in the U6 tournament because he used Kaioken. He was able to shatter Hits time dimension by simply powering up. I dont see how this could possibly be seen as anything other than an equivalent boost of 10x Kaioken. And this was against a stronger Hit with presumably a more durable time dimension. So it must be AT LEAST 10x in order to fit the feats in the show

[ZombieVito]

When he uses a time manipulating move it creates a time dimension that is signaled by the background looking like broken glass. Goku was able to move in this time dimension in the U6 tournament because he used Kaioken. He was able to shatter Hits time dimension by simply powering up. I dont see how this could possibly be seen as anything other than an equivalent boost of 10x Kaioken. And this was against a stronger Hit with presumably a more durable time dimension. So it must be AT LEAST 10x in order to fit the feats in the show

Time Skip doesn't use a pocket dimension.

They are different techniques with different attributes.

[DestructoDisc]

Some fights:

1. Pan vs Ribrianne (manga)
2. Frost vs Frieza GT (mortal)
3. Base Kale (manga) vs Oceanus Shenron
4. Zangya vs Android 18 (Super)
5. Kefla (manga) vs GT Gohan (Super 17 saga)
6. Baby Goten SSJ vs Buutenks
7. Tagoma (with Ginyu) vs Ledgic

1. GT Pan or EoZ Pan? If it's GT Pan, Pan wins, if it's not, Ribrianne wins.
2. Frost
3. Pass
4. Zangya if you're referring to manga 18, but anime 18 would one shot her.
5. Kefla one-shots.
6 Buutenks
7. Pass

[Kid Buu]

Buu Saga - Mystic Gohan Vs. SS3 Gotenks, but this Gotenks is the result of potara and not fusion dance.

[RandomGuy96]

Buu Saga - Mystic Gohan Vs. SS3 Gotenks, but this Gotenks is the result of potara and not fusion dance.

Potara fusion is implied to be ridiculously powerful. Super Saiyan Vegetto was far stronger than Gohan-Buu, who was over twice as strong as SS3 Gotenks, even though individually Goku and Vegeta weren't many times stronger than their sons. Additionally, Elder Kaioshin said that the base form of a fusion between Goku and Gohan would be stronger than Gotenks-Buu. With that said, I think Potara Gotenks would annihilate Gohan.

[sunsetshimmer]

1. Ribrianne could somewhat pressure #18, but was weaker. If this is GT Pan who is stated to be stronger than Trunks, she massacres Ribrianne. If not, and this is four year old Pan at the end of the manga, Ribrianne wins easily.

1. GT Pan or EoZ Pan? If it's GT Pan, Pan wins, if it's not, Ribrianne wins.

GT Pan obviously.
EoZ Pan doesn't have any fighting feats except for gag scene of slapping Goten in anime.

5. Kefla one-shots.

Why do you think she one shots that easily? If i remember well, Gohan in Super (manga at least) wasn't said to become much stronger than in Buu saga, but he was said to power-up during his battle with Kefla (wasn't said how much tho). Gohan in Super 17 saga was said to be the same super-warrior he became against Super Buu (+ he has SSJ since GT for some reason threated Ultimate as a boost to base form?). I think they should be on similar level. Even if GT Gohan was weaker then i don't think the difference would be so big that he would get one shotted by Kefla.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That doesn't mean they new of every person on the entire planet. Or maybe they wouldn't expect Roshi or Taoi to enter the budokai, which they didn't. Majin Spopovich could beat most people on Earth, but Tao, Roshi, and Tsuru are exceptions.

They wouldn't know about everyone else, but Roshi, Tsuru and Tao are notable human beings. To know about them would be rather easy since their energy is considerably higher than the average.

Basing power level off of having an aura is just head canon though.

Why? It's more like coming to a conclusion based on a artistic clue.

Ya, but it just makes it sound like ssj Gotenks is Buu tier, if he was above I feel like Piccolo was be more assured in his victory.

Possible, but doubtful. It was Goku who already said SSJ Gotenks was definitely gonna win, Piccolo is just confirming it.

Plus when Gotenks claimed he was going to kill Boo Piccolo contradicted him saying he was running out of time, instead of saying it's because he's fodder like he did last time.

[dragon boss z]

They wouldn't know about everyone else, but Roshi, Tsuru and Tao are notable human beings.

Roshi lived by himself on an island. There are billions of people on the planet, you can't just assume they know Roshi unless it's stated.

Why? It's more like coming to a conclusion based on a artistic clue.

Or maybe auras weren't thought up by him yet? Or maybe he just didn't feel like drawing it at certain times (strong characters don't always have an aura).
Roshi has way better feats than Spopovich who just seemed like a superhuman who was hard to kill.
Spopovich moved slow enough for regular humans to track him, and his "ki blast" was really just a force push in the manga that barely did anything. Roshi would vaporize him with his kamehameha that he doesn't have the speed feats to react to.

Possible, but doubtful. It was Goku who already said SSJ Gotenks was definitely gonna win, Piccolo is just confirming it.

Gotenks did not exist at that point and they still had the ROSAT. Goku even said for them not to use the ROSAT to learn fusion becauese they may need it in the future, which they did.

Plus when Gotenks claimed he was going to kill Boo Piccolo contradicted him saying he was running out of time, instead of saying it's because he's fodder like he did last time.

Because he isn't fodder. He can definitely fight Buu at least as well as majin Vegeta can. Piccolo didn't know who would win if they fought at that time.

[ricky84]

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs.
Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe)
Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc)
Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z)
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123)
Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z)
Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hit (Champa arc)

[RandomGuy96]

Bojack and crew vs Perfect Cell and the Cell jrs.
Light Speed Dyspo vs Rose Black (scythe)
Future Zamasu vs Hit (Champa arc)
Android 16 vs Kamicollo & 17 (Z)
Merged Zamasu (halo) vs KKx20 Goku (ep.123)
Turles vs 1st Form Freeza (Z)
Kamicollo vs Future 17 & 18
SSB Vegeta (Black arc Post-Rosat) vs Hit (Champa arc)

1. Perfect Cell seemed to be able to take a beating better than Bojack, so I think he's stronger, on top of being more skilled and having better abilities. The four pirates would average at to around Cell Junior level, with the weakest (Kogu) being significantly below one (judging by Trunks one-shotting him), the second weakest (Bujin) being slightly below one, the second strongest (Zangya) being slightly above one (judging by her fighting evenly with post-CG Trunks), and the strongest (Bido) being moderately above one... but there are seven Juniors to only four pirates. Considering these advantages, I think Cell beats up Bojack (how easily, I don't exactly know, but I know that he'll win) while the Juniors utilize their numerical advantage to overwhelm his henchmen after a decent fight, though creative use of their psychic threads might let them take out one or two of the Juniors.
2. Anime exclusive, pass.
3. Future Zamasu is a weakling who SS1 Goku could have thrashed without his immortality. Hit beats him up until he finds a way to seal or freeze him.
4. This goes about as well as when they tried to fight Imperfect Cell, who per 16's own words and their fight, is about equal to 16.
5. Anime exclusive, pass.
6. No concrete way to compare them, other than that they should be in the same league going by Tullece stomping Goku who was stated to have a battle power of 300,000. I'll say Freeza though. Tullece is, say, 400,000 to Freeza's 530,000.
7. I don't think Piccolo can handle both at the same time, since according to Daizenshuu 7, they're only "somewhat" weaker than their present selves. He'll probably kill one before he dies though.
8. I think Hit's time-hax techniques that could inconvenience Jiren give him the win here, despite his inferior power.

[Kid Buu]

even though individually Goku and Vegeta weren't many times stronger than their sons.

In that case, Potara Super Gotenks (using same form of SS that Vegetto did) Vs. Gohan Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

even though individually Goku and Vegeta weren't many times stronger than their sons.

In that case, Potara Super Gotenks (using same form of SS that Vegetto did) Vs. Gohan Buu.

Going by the Elder Kaioshin's comment that a Goku/Gohan fusion could handle Gotenks-Buu in base... Potara Gotenks has this.

[ahill1]

Goku SSJG (BoG arc, manga) vs Vegetto SSJ (battle against Boohan)

--> Manga version of both characters. If Goku wins, make it a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto.

[RecolorSaiyan]

Goku SSJG (BoG arc, manga) vs Vegetto SSJ (battle against Boohan)

--> Manga version of both characters. If Goku wins, make it a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto.

Goku wins against ssj vegetto and ssj3 vegetto.

When goku got the god form he stated "a whole new world opened up to me". He knew the power of vegetto and still made this statement

[ZombieVito]

Shin vs Fuwa.
17 [ToP arc] vs Hit [U6 arc]. Killing is allowed.
Base Katopesla vs South Kaioshin.
Kuririn, Roshi and Tenshinhan [ToP arc] vs Lavender. No killing or poison allowed.
Base Cabba [ToP arc] vs 18 [ToP arc]
Ribrianne vs Final form Freeza [RoF arc]
Ultimate Gohan [E88] vs Future Zamasu [No immortality].
Piccolo [ToP arc] vs Frost [U6 arc].
Base Vegeta [RoF arc] vs SS3 Gotenks.
Base Goku [RoF arc] vs Ultimate Gohan.
Corrupted Merged Zamasu [No falling apart or immortality] vs Champa [No Hakai].
SSB Kaionen Vegetto [FT arc; No time limit] vs Grand Priest.