Actually he's shown playing baseball again after he is resurrected. There has never been any indication that he lost that job.
To be clear, I was referring to his other job that Toriyama said he got fired from in an interview.
...That's still about how stupid power levels are though, exactly as I said. All it took was a little training and a fusion for Piccolo to suddenly go from below Nappa to above Freeza's second form. That's a huge leap that perfectly shows that relying on how strong an opponent once before was, or what a scouter says, is illogical. Or in other words, 'power levels are bullshit'.
Yes, all it took was
fusion, which is so powerful that it has, on separate occasions, brought two relatively weak Super Saiyans to a level far, far, above the strongest SS3, and brought two even weaker Super Saiyans to at least SS3-tier.
Nope, they're not at all. Relying on what the scouter tells you is only wrong if your opponent can hide their true power- in which case, the point isn't "power levels are BS", it's "this person makes it so we can't actually see their power level, because if we could, we'd know how strong they are". Power levels themselves are still frequently sensed after all the scouters are destroyed (Vegeta even uses the exact term "battle power number"), the guidebooks continue to give new ones after the end of the manga, and even Toriyama uses both the "battle power" term and rough numerical rankings to describe the strength of BOG characters. So they're hardly bullshit. Again, the whole joke was that Vegeta hadn't seen what we had seen, was jumping to conclusions, and was being an ignorant jackass. I don't know how that gets misinterpreted to mean "Vegeta is totally right".
Never once did I say 'if you don't agree with me, then just stop watching!', I'd appreciate words not be put into my mouth as such. If anything, it's been you many times lambasting others for liking other characters that don't meet your 'strong enough to be useful' standards and plugging your ears to arguments against it. So I ask again, if fighting is really the be all, end all thing you care about...then why be that invested in the show at all?
Who said that's all I cared about? You were essentially telling me to stop watching if I don't agree with you. I mean heck, even if that WAS all I cared about, why SHOULD I stop watching, as you told me to? Also, you're the one who keeps putting words in my mouth about strength being the only important thing. It's not the only thing that matters, but it is the MOST important.
"And really, if the fighting is the ONLY thing that matters or that you care about, then why even bother watching/reading the series at all?"
See, there you go again. 'Newer better characters' is very opinion based, and has absolutely no bearing in actual facts.
Of course, but I presume that I don't have to type "IMO" before every thing I say.
Just because he's stronger than other characters, what makes Vegeta for example any better than Yamcha or Tenshinhan?
I'm not a fan of (Android/Buu) Vegeta, but... actually relevant and interesting fights? Being genuinely menacing as a villain? Having a certain low cunning? Character development?
He's not any deeper, and if anything he makes things WORSE far more often than he actually HELPS, so...how is that 'better'?
I'm not sure how him making things worse relates to how good of a character he is. Except maybe in the moral sense.
Someone can feel that he is, and that's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't invalidate people that feel Yamcha or Tenshinhan is their favorite characters.
It's fine for them to think that, but it has to be acknowledged that a lot of stuff that some fanboys say about these two ("they're really skilled fighters, way more skilled than [Z character]", "they used to be relevant in the fights, but then Z happened", "Ten totally can one-shot the androids/Freeza/Imperfect Cell with his Shin Kikoho", "Yamcha didn't cheat on Bulma, she's just a lying slut bitch", "Ten is like, so strong, stronger than Krillin", "Toriyama planned on giving Yamcha/Ten more to do, but the fans pressured him to do X instead", etc.) are simply not true. Usually, they also involve crapping on other characters. Those are the facts. My
opinion is that they were bland characters that didn't deserve any more than they got.
Yamcha is weak you claim? And yet he's still one of the strongest humans in Dragon Ball.
When did I claim that he was weaker than a regular human? Also, being the strongest human is like being the strongest ant in this series. And Yamcha isn't even the strongest ant, he's third or fourth at his strongest (not counting the androids, half-humans, three quarter humans, Uub, or Mr. Satan).
Stupid? Again very debateable; I certainly don't remember him ever thinking 'gee, I should let this villain get stronger just so I can have a better fight!' like Goku or Vegeta do all the time
"Characters B and C are dumb too!" isn't really an argument for character A not being dumb. He seemed pretty on the ball in his introductory arc, but after that, his whole role is to get overly arrogant and then be humiliated.
Losing his job? Yeah, he totally should have just sat out the Saiyan fight instead of trying to help, so he could keep playing baseball
Or maybe he should have done better at the job Toriyama said he actually had instead of getting fired.
Losing his girlfriend to a genocidal maniac? I'd say that says a lot more about Bulma than it does Yamcha, if anything he's the victim in this situation.
Yeah, that evil bitch. All Yamcha did was cheat on her. I mean, she even let Yamcha crash there after he cheated on her, but I'm sure that's just because she wanted to rub it in.
No, seriously. Yamcha cheats on her, then mooches off her for years, and HE'S the victim?
Mooching off his ex? They're still shown to be friends, albeit strained for a while - very understandably so - so this 'mooching' is also very debatable
He's living in her house, eating her food, and doesn't appear to actually do any work... I'm not sure what else you can call it.
Toriyama's punching bag? That one I can agree with, but how exactly is that a fault of Yamcha's? That'd be all on Toriyama.
My point was that it's not really "wrong" to viciously mock Yamcha. People act like it's the fandom that made him a punching bag, but I'd eat my shoe if Toriyama having him get one-shotted by a Saibaman before he actually got to do anything wasn't meant to make him look pathetic to us. Toriyama meant for him to be a punching bag, so there's nothing wrong with thinking of him as such.
Ten was a villain in his introduction, but so was Piccolo. As soon as each of them became a hero, they became the 'stoic' type
First part, yes. But second- when is Ten ever stoic? He acts up frequently in the next two arcs. You can say he's stoic in the Cell and Buu arcs, but I'd say that's more a result of him having barely any screen time.
I also don't recall a single moment of Tenshinhan ever having a moment of 'stupidity'
Bringing a broken jar to seal Piccolo? Sticking around to watch Goku vs Piccolo and getting taken as a hostage? Continually trying to use flashy and useless techniques against his opponents? Killing himself in the Saiyan arc rather than regrowing his arm and teaming up with the others?
or acting like a coward, at all.
EDIT: Never mind on this one.
And stalling Cell for a few moments is something I'd consider a pretty big feat given the huge difference in power - something that you yourself seem to dismiss as making a character useless if they're on the lower end there - not only because it was a pretty impressive feat and a noble one that put his life on the line, but because it allowed #18 to get away so that Cell couldn't absorb her
That "feat" really doesn't mean anything. Simply pushing an opponent is not hard at all even if you're much weaker. In the end, he didn't accomplish anything, because 18 was a dope. So while it's a nice moment for him, to put his life on the line like that, it's not all that impressive.
If he hadn't delayed Cell that little bit, chances are he would have already absorbed her by the time Vegeta and Trunks got there, and they wouldn't ever have any chance to destroy him. You know, like they could have if Vegeta hadn't been a complete douche-bag. Again.
So, in your version, Cell would just immediately blow up the planet after becoming complete? Even though he has no reason to do that, and Goku could have just teleported in to tell him about the stronger fighters, which would get Cell excited?
