English Dragon Box Release

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:31 am

anvil wrote:well, Funi has never came out and say "NO, there's no Faulconer music for DBOX", so why in the first place are we arguing over this?

Anyway, no matter how much we argue over here, it doesn't affect what Funi gonna do right? So if there's Faulconer music, so good for the dub, no Faulconer music, good for the sub.

Most importantly, we're all fans of a great (maybe the greatest) anime. Why should we be measuring "hardcore", just like you cannot measure love?

Sorry, I'm not trying to argue about anything. Just thinking out loud, really.

We've almost always had to put up with little issues with Dragon Ball releases in the west. But if the only real complaint so far is the (possible?) lack of a dub music track, when the product isn't even aimed at those fans, then I think we're getting off lucky.

and Bussani, NZ is a lovely country, I had great fun over there 3 years ago

Glad you liked it.

.:PoetikaL:. · Post by **.:PoetikaL:.** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:33 am

Well, even if they use the original Japanese score over the original broadcast music, I wouldn't mind it at all because I have all the Season Sets of Z. So if I really wanted to hear Faulconer's music, I will put in the season sets. I just want what the Japanese release had. If something was left out (due to other rights or reasons unknown), I wouldn't really fuss as much... because it's the Dragonbox footage we wanted and we got.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:03 pm

Allow me to explain this better, because trying to come up with numbers on who likes what is not the point here. For one thing there should be no argument at all about this. Funimation should just put all the audios on there so everyone has a right to choose. Done, good, great, grand, now everyone gets what they want. And we can stop arguing about who likes what and for what reason.

Now as a Dragonball Z fan myself, I like all the audios. I like the Japanese version, I like the English version with the Falconer background music, hell I even like the English version with the Japanese background music. And if I watch the English version. I switch between the two sometimes depending on the background music I like. Now that is my opinion. I'm not going to sit here and waste my time arguing with people anymore why they think the English version sucks and why Falconer's music sucks. It's a waste of time. Hell, I have seen the Japanese version I like that too. So I know the translation differences.

Now here is the bigger problem. We got those extreme English dub haters for dbz. That hate the dub so much. They go and say, they don't want it on there. Why? the hell? It's an North American release. Why should you care that it's on there? You don't have to choose it. They are just being a dick to people that want it and they can't respect other opinions of what other people like.

And no , anybody please don't give me lecture that it will greatly effect the quality. It won't. It is audio. They can lower the bitrate on the English audios. And for gosh sakes , perhaps they could lower the eps on the disc. And don't tell me we can go watch the cropped remastered version. No, that's not an answer. We want to watch it on Full Screen remastered quality. We are entitled to that.

There is just no freaking reason not to include it. I mean if you include it all, you make everyone happy.

You know if they don't. I will do it myself. If funimation is that lazy. I have been doing it myself anyways. And I will be the only one with the ultimate release with all the options that should be there. That's it , thats the bottom line. And I'm really tired of this suspense. And all this bickering about it. Why is funimation even questioning their selves and not even announcing the audios about it. They should have done it from the start. Maybe because they are pissed that their info for crappy dragonball season 1 remastered got out early.

And I repeat, no one should attack the person that wants all the dub choices to be there on the dragonbox version. I repeat no one. It's just pure laziness of funimation not to do it. And it makes no difference who they target it for. Other animes have all the other options including Viz's release of Naruto, and probably Naruto Shippuuden coming out. It's funimation's way of saying we are so lazy, we won't do this and we allow this only for these people. Nope, I'm sorry but that is a lame excuse to cover up for their mistake. It's a North American release, so include all the audios. And don't anybody dare bitch about the quality because of the extra audio. That is just the lamest excuse ever, No hell no, they should put 6 eps on a disc then. And it's just pure laziness of them not to add the audios. Yes, I repeated that part twice, for a reason. Because I know that is what people are saying. And I'm very disappointed.

I hope this explains it better for you guys.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:08 pm

It's not that FUNimation is lazy, it's that we don't want an unnecessary audio track hampering the video quality; the main draw of this release.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:10 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:It's not that FUNimation is lazy, it's that we don't want an unnecessary audio track hampering the video quality; the main draw of this release.

Omg, did you even read my post?

"And no , anybody please don't give me lecture that it will greatly effect the quality. It won't. It is audio. They can lower the bitrate on the English audios. And for gosh sakes , perhaps they could lower the eps on the disc. And don't tell me we can go watch the cropped remastered version. No, that's not an answer. We want to watch it on Full Screen remastered quality. We are entitled to that. "

"And don't anybody dare bitch about the quality because of the extra audio. That is just the lamest excuse ever, No hell no, they should put 6 eps on a disc then. And it's just pure laziness of them not to add the audios. Yes, I repeated that part twice, for a reason. Because I know that is what people are saying. And I'm very disappointed. "

You have to be ignorant to think audio can greatly effect the video. Versus funimation jamming 7 eps on a disc. They can lower the bitrate on the audio if they want also. And yes, they are lazy, if funimation can't figure out how to put 6 eps on a disc, and then have all the audios on there. Then they are just lazy, there is no reason not to include all audios on the disc. This is laziness.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:13 pm

I think it's kind of hypocritical to say that a segment of fans who care about the Dragon Box footage and like the Falconer music are so small that FUNimation shouldn't bother pandering to them. Afterall, aren't those who prefer the Japanese version and hate the Faulconor music the minority in North America? So members of a minority claiming that an even smaller minority shouldn't matter just seems... I dunno... Egotistical? Afterall, I don't believe anybody has said they don't deserve to have what they want.
Anyway, I've been trying to avoid this subject so I'll stop participating from here on out. *puts on flamesheild and runs away*

For the record, I believe that if the US Broadcast audio track affects the video quality then it should be cut. But that's the only reason. Not because it sucks or because it doesn't coincide with our idea of Dragon Ball.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:19 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:I think it's kind of hypocritical to say that a segment of fans who care about the Dragon Box footage and like the Falconer music are so small that FUNimation shouldn't bother pandering to them. Afterall, aren't those who prefer the Japanese version and hate the Faulconor music the minority in North America? So members of a minority claiming that an even smaller minority shouldn't matter just seems... I dunno... Egotistical? Afterall, I don't believe anybody has said they don't deserve to have what they want.
Anyway, I've been trying to avoid this subject so I'll stop participating from here on out. *puts on flamesheild and runs away*

Yeah, that is hypocritical. It's a North American release. And everyone is entitled to what audio they want. And that is not even the point. The point is they can do it easily. To make everyone happy. That is my point.

Innagadadavida wrote: For the record, I believe that if the US Broadcast audio track affects the video quality then it should be cut. But that's the only reason. Not because it sucks or because it doesn't coincide with our idea of Dragon Ball.

No, it wont. All they need to do is use their brains and lower the English bitrate. Or use their brains again, and lower the ep count on the disc. Because thats what really effects the video quality. They can still do it for eps 68+. They haven't gotten that far yet.

And I also I'm not just any idiot. I have done this with my own custom discs with the Japanese dragonbox. Each English audio at 160kbps, and then leaving the Japanese audio alone. It's not that hard. 6 eps per dual layer. Or 3 eps per dvd5.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:27 pm

At this point, I don't really care if they put the dub "music" on the DragonBoxes or not. So long as the elements of the set worth watching don't suffer.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:41 pm

SSVegetto wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:It's not that FUNimation is lazy, it's that we don't want an unnecessary audio track hampering the video quality; the main draw of this release.

Omg, did you even read my post?

"And no , anybody please don't give me lecture that it will greatly effect the quality. It won't. It is audio. They can lower the bitrate on the English audios.

"OMG"?

It's already been stated that with even 1 additional audio track the video bit-rate will need to be reduced. Adding a 3rd audio track would likely cause issues with the video, and you would have to lower the bitrate of the audio to abysmal levels to compensate.

The Audio clarity is also a large factor in the Dragon Box, if FUNimation has the cleaned up Dragon Box audio that is.

SSVegetto wrote:"And don't tell me we can go watch the cropped remastered version. No, that's not an answer. We want to watch it on Full Screen remastered quality. We are entitled to that. "

Uh... I didn't?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:42 pm

SSVegetto wrote:Now here is the bigger problem. We got those extreme English dub haters for dbz. That hate the dub so much. They go and say, they don't want it on ther./b].

It's an North American release. Why should you care that it's on there?

And no , anybody please don't give me lecture that it will greatly effect the quality.

We want to watch it on Full Screen remastered quality. We are entitled to that.

And I repeat, no one should attack the person that wants all the dub choices to be there on the dragonbox version. I repeat no one.

Other animes have all the other options including Viz's release of Naruto, and probably Naruto Shippuuden coming out.

I'm totally apathetic to the dub at this point. It's just this dub represents the series in the US and it shouldn't.

Plenty of North American anime releases have no dubs on them. Also, the dub represents the series to many people in North America.

It probably will affect quality. You are just uninformed to say the least.

Nobody is entitled to shit. I'm happy we are getting this at all.

This release isn't marketed to dub fans.

Naruto doesn't have a dub music track at all.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:02 pm

Raki wrote:
Plenty of North American anime releases have no dubs on them. Also, the dub represents the series to many people in North America.

It probably will affect quality. You are just uninformed to say the least.

Nobody is entitled to shit. I'm happy we are getting this at all.

This release isn't marketed to dub fans.

Naruto doesn't have a dub music track at all.

Hmm, uninformed? Wow, just wow. Yeah, and that's why I was smart enough to make my own custom DVDs with Japanese dragonbox footage, with 2 english audios. Yep, I'm uniformed. Sure, whatever you say.
I left the r2j footage untouched and the Japanese audio untouched, and I was still able to fit the English dub with Japanese background music, and English dub with bruce faluconer track on it. So are you going to continue you this argument that um, the audio will effect the video quality?

This argument pretty much ends when funimation decided to put 7 eps on a dual layer disc. Instead of 6. Now people are getting nervous about that. It had nothing to do with the audio at this point. They just don't want the video quality ruined and very scared about the extra audio now because funimation , (this brilliant company) decided to put 7 eps on a disc. Now if they put 6 eps on a disc. Nobody would be lecturing about the extra audio. Trust me, in terms of video quality. It's how many eps more disc that is important.

Yeah, and I can really tell that you read my post clearly. By saying this:

"This release isn't marketed to dub fans."

Yeah, that is an excuse for funimation to be lazy and not put the extra audios. When it would be so freaking easy to. Who cares what it was marked to who. That is a ridiculous statement I ever heard. It's marketed to all dbz fans period, don't add the "dub" it makes you sound ignorant to funimation's excuse.

And you really think funimation gives a crap about who it's marketed to, they just want to make more money. And if they can buy an excuse like the one you just fell for so they are lazy enough not to include the extra audio. It works for them. And its working pretty good too, because everyone is so obsessed with the dragonbox at this point, I'm wouldn't be surprised if people would be satisfied with just having only video on the dvds alone. No japanese, no nothing. They would still be satisfied. Because it one be the one thing funimation gets correct.

So let's jam 7 eps on a disc, so we can make the most money out of this.

And you are right about one thing the Naruto subject. They never made an extra dub background music with it. But at least Viz doesn't screw around with their fans. They include everything that they did. They don't tell people ahhh its marketed towards these types of Naruto fans. And we will release something again that will be marketed towards these other types of Naruto fans. No no no, you see. It's marketed towards all "Naruto fans"

And dbz is marked towards all "DBZ fans" not this certain type of fans that like certain types. No that's bogus. Funimation is being really ridiculous. And they are marketing and milking off of dbz to a point that its not even funny anymore. So just get it right and include everything and stop screwing around with your fan base funimation.

Hell, I think people have a right to go on amazon and bitch about the dragonbox. And nobody from here should attack them. Really, you should leave them alone. I don't care if they are misinformed. Right now, I think funimation has screwed with us so bad. I think they have a right to be angry.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:06 pm

SSVegetto wrote:They don't tell people ahhh its marked towards these types of Naruto fans. And we will release something again that will be marked towards these other types of Naruto fans. No no no, you see. It's marked towards all "Naruto fans"

That's because Naruto only had 1, accurate dub. There was no splitting of the fanbase there, so you are only a Naruto fan, or you aren't.

FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:10 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.

Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:14 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.
Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.

I'm just stating, there are multiple types of Dragon Ball Z fans to cater to, while there are only 1 type of Naruto fan to cater to. I never said that removing the Faulconer track would fix it, just that it is a different fanbase.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:20 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.
Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.
I'm just stating, there are multiple types of Dragon Ball Z fans to cater to, while there are only 1 type of Naruto fan to cater to. I never said that removing the Faulconer track would fix it, just that it is a different fanbase.

But it could help to streamline the fanbase. At least music-wise. Also, there are two Naruto fans. First type of Naruto fan likes the dub while the other think it's trash.

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:23 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.
Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.
I'm just stating, there are multiple types of Dragon Ball Z fans to cater to, while there are only 1 type of Naruto fan to cater to. I never said that removing the Faulconer track would fix it, just that it is a different fanbase.

It's still the same show we all have enjoy. I wonder if in other parts of the world the fanbase is as divided as here in America is?

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:24 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:They don't tell people ahhh its marked towards these types of Naruto fans. And we will release something again that will be marked towards these other types of Naruto fans. No no no, you see. It's marked towards all "Naruto fans"
That's because Naruto only had 1, accurate dub. There was no splitting of the fanbase there, so you are only a Naruto fan, or you aren't.

FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.

*face palm. How can a there be two fan bases for one anime? With your logic no, there is two fanbases then with Naruto. One that likes the japanese audio and one that likes the english audio.

Are you that brainwashed by funimation? It's one anime. Not two different types of anime. When the dvds came out, they had Japanese audio and English to choose from. There is no such thing as two different fan bases. They didn't announce it then about two different fanbase. It's one anime, with two different tracks. It's a North American release

Are you telling me that the ones that like the english dub with bruce faulconer don't wouldn't want to watch dbz in better quality? Are you that nutz?

I don't care how inaccurate the dub is. It's marketed towards all "dbz fans" and so was the remastered widescreen was, the dvd5 singles were also. They were marketed towards "dbz fans". All their releases before were marketed toward dbz fans. Not two types. There was no such thing. And now that they announced there is two types is an escape goat for them to be lazy.

And them saying the dragonbox is marketed towards only certain fans, makes funimation sound insane and extremely lazy. They know it's the highest quality version they ever released. So if they go and say this"it's marketed towards only these certain dbz fans", its not acknowledgment that they screwed up. It's saying hey guys we got a new release for you so we can make more money. And the remastered sets weren't screw ups, we are just marketing this for these certain types of other dbz fans.

And you all fall for it. They are making it extremely unfair just because they are being lazy and want more money and to jam 7 eps on a disc. That's bogus, and I can't believe you are defending this. And to anyone that is reading this, I see some people harassing the people that are giving the dragonbox 1 stars at amazon. Please stop, let them breath. Or if you are going to do it. Do it nicely. The product isn't even out yet either.

Either way, it comes down to the point if they don't put all the audio options on the disc and figure out how to keep these in great quality. Then they are just being lazy.

Innagadadavida wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.
Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.

Don't listen to him. That is a lie from funimation to cover up their mistakes. Their past releases clearly indicate there was no such thing as two types of fan bases. The dvd releases. They released dvd5 singles with both audio tracks. They released the remastered sets with all audio options. It's for dbz fans. Not certain types of dbz fans. That is a bogus lie. Don't buy into it.

dragonfist wrote:It's still the same show we all have enjoy. I wonder if in other parts of the world the fanbase is as divided as here in America is?

Exactly, all of their releases are uncut video footage. It's still the same show. And all the dvds had all the audio options up to this point. It's craziness to say their are two different types of fans. It's for "dbz fans".

Freeza.exe · Post by **Freeza.exe** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:27 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:FUNimation split the whole fanbase with their dub.
Thing is... That happened so long ago. It's a fact now and nobody can reverse it. I don't see why we continue to argue about it. And I especially don't see how not including the Falconor music track will fix that.

I agree with this overall, whats done is done. The dub score exists and with CD releases, singles and the season sets it's not like it's going to fade from memory. Personally I don't care for it but a lot of people do so why not just throw it on there if it doesn't cause any major video damage?

dragonfist · Post by **dragonfist** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:30 pm

Nice well-thought post SSVegetto. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the points you expressed. I find it sad that only on the dbz fanbase there are too groups of "fans" when all of them enjoy the show. It's illogical, no matter what excuse sub fans come up with I find it stupid for them to say this release is only geared towards them. Don't let it go to your head just because the default language will be Japanese (Lord knows that FUNimation don't change their mind on that one

) It is for the hardcore fanbase That does not mean that hardcore mean sub fans automatically.

B · Post by B » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:30 pm

I read a little over half of that and have committed suicide. Before I lose any more blood and pass out, SSVegetto, there are(at least) two fanbases of Dragon Ball in North America, thanks to FUNimation. Those who only like to watch the show in English, and those who only like to watch the show in Japanese. Any other variation(people who prefer the manga, people who like both versions of the anime, etc.) are extreme minorities. Hell, people in North America who only like the Japanese version are a minority.