"DBZ: Battle of Z" (360/PS3/Vita) On-Going Discussion Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Miss those days where Goku would go SSJ and everyone would know shit was about to go down.

I miss the days where SSJ2 were used and people knew it was real. Using logic the character should use SSJ2 more than SSJ3. The strain would put you at a BIG disadvantage. It'll be cool if a game did that. Just like they have USSJ Trunks slow. They should have SSJ3 power up slowly and lower your life a little bit. Also why the HELL does Future and Present Trunks have SSJ3? Now that was just bullSHIT. What the hell did PResent Trunks do? He slacked off just like Goten and in GT was hinted to be equal in power still. If SSJ3 Trunks exist. So should Goten. But that'll be bullshit. So never of them should have happen.

I'm pretty sure the Tenkaichi games have SSJ3 Goku gather ki really slowly. Not sure about Gotenks.

[TheGmGoken]

Miss those days where Goku would go SSJ and everyone would know shit was about to go down.

I miss the days where SSJ2 were used and people knew it was real. Using logic the character should use SSJ2 more than SSJ3. The strain would put you at a BIG disadvantage. It'll be cool if a game did that. Just like they have USSJ Trunks slow. They should have SSJ3 power up slowly and lower your life a little bit. Also why the HELL does Future and Present Trunks have SSJ3? Now that was just bullSHIT. What the hell did PResent Trunks do? He slacked off just like Goten and in GT was hinted to be equal in power still. If SSJ3 Trunks exist. So should Goten. But that'll be bullshit. So never of them should have happen.

I'm pretty sure the Tenkaichi games have SSJ3 Goku gather ki really slowly. Not sure about Gotenks.

Shockley. It's the opposite. The Ki is charge up faster. Slower than base. But faster than SSJ. However SSJ2 charge up is faster than Base. Confusing to be honest.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Why they got it is irrelevant IMO. But now that they have it, it'd be a real shame for it to never see the light of day again. I hate it when franchises introduce a form or character and then basically ignore them for future products (figures, games, etc.) This is one of the reasons why games are a perfect outlet for what-ifs, because the shit doesn't really have to make sense to be included. It can appease both sides of the fan base if they are included too; hose who want them can play as them, those who don't can either ignore them or use them as punching bags.

[TheLegendaryGohan]

Miss those days where Goku would go SSJ and everyone would know shit was about to go down.

I miss the days where SSJ2 were used and people knew it was real. Using logic the character should use SSJ2 more than SSJ3. The strain would put you at a BIG disadvantage. It'll be cool if a game did that. Just like they have USSJ Trunks slow. They should have SSJ3 power up slowly and lower your life a little bit. Also why the HELL does Future and Present Trunks have SSJ3? Now that was just bullSHIT. What the hell did PResent Trunks do? He slacked off just like Goten and in GT was hinted to be equal in power still. If SSJ3 Trunks exist. So should Goten. But that'll be bullshit. So never of them should have happen.

SSJ2 is my favorite form. It made more sense and it didn't feel like a rush to just throw out a new form. You had a power and speed increase and I had an idea about that once but it was like this: USSJ Trunk's transformation could be used by transforming quickly in game then going back to SSJ for the speed. So you would knock them into the air, use USSJ to knock them down, go back to SSJ and so on whenever you needed it the most. Same goes for SSJ3 Goku except your ki gradually drops and when it gets lower than half way you go back to base and can't transform for a set amount of time. Nowadays, they go SSJ, skip SSJ2 like it never happened, and go SSJ3. It's really annoying to see that only 2 character REALLY used SSJ2 and that was for a quick second. SSJ2 is underrated.

[TheGmGoken]

Miss those days where Goku would go SSJ and everyone would know shit was about to go down.

I miss the days where SSJ2 were used and people knew it was real. Using logic the character should use SSJ2 more than SSJ3. The strain would put you at a BIG disadvantage. It'll be cool if a game did that. Just like they have USSJ Trunks slow. They should have SSJ3 power up slowly and lower your life a little bit. Also why the HELL does Future and Present Trunks have SSJ3? Now that was just bullSHIT. What the hell did PResent Trunks do? He slacked off just like Goten and in GT was hinted to be equal in power still. If SSJ3 Trunks exist. So should Goten. But that'll be bullshit. So never of them should have happen.

SSJ2 is my favorite form. It made more sense and it didn't feel like a rush to just throw out a new form. You had a power and speed increase and I had an idea about that once but it was like this: USSJ Trunk's transformation could be used by transforming quickly in game then going back to SSJ for the speed. So you would knock them into the air, use USSJ to knock them down, go back to SSJ and so on whenever you needed it the most. Same goes for SSJ3 Goku except your ki gradually drops and when it gets lower than half way you go back to base and can't transform for a set amount of time. Nowadays, they go SSJ, skip SSJ2 like it never happened, and go SSJ3. It's really annoying to see that only 2 character REALLY used SSJ2 and that was for a quick second. SSJ2 is underrated.

I can talk for days on how SSJ2 should have been used more. To be honest. Even through it would have been a bitch. SSJ3 should't had debut till the final battle(Pure Boo vs Goku). It would had more build up with Vegeta learning Goku has learn a new skill that increases his power. Learning that Goku has been holding back the entire time. I had the SAME idea with USSJ. Trunks. I can't think it'll work for SSJ3. As SSJ3 is a bitch to the body. But honestly Fat Boo vs SSJ2 would have been a great fight. As Majin Boo wasn't pissed off and Goku only needed to distract Boo. He could have done the same thing as Majin Vegeta. Once Boo gets angry Goku could had easily left. I do wish that games used stats from the series to make it feel more DBZ like. A slow USSJ(Like Tenkaichi 3), Strain SSJ3, Rage power ups that come at random, A good amount of ki needed to transform, and for the love of god. Is it that hard to make characters to actually look like the were in a fight? Something I prefer in fan-made games was that the character when fighting for a long time or beaten badly they look like it. THe closest game to that is Tenkaichi 2 with their damage models. The other games look like they're just fighting with no facial expression change at all.

[TheLegendaryGohan]

Why they got it is irrelevant IMO. But now that they have it, it'd be a real shame for it to never see the light of day again. I hate it when franchises introduce a form or character and then basically ignore them for future products (figures, games, etc.) This is one of the reasons why games are a perfect outlet for what-ifs, because the shit doesn't really have to make sense to be included. It can appease both sides of the fan base if they are included too; hose who want them can play as them, those who don't can either ignore them or use them as punching bags.

Uneccessary what-ifs are just that. Unnecessary. They are annoying. Goku is the only nonfused character to reach this form, that's something special that Goku has. You don't give that out to everyone. I would hate to see Mystic Goku, Mystic Trunks, so on. No that's something only Gohan has. May as well give Krillin and Piccolo SSJ3 too right? Throw in Legendary SSJ transformations for everyone too, right? No. What-if characters take what's unique about a certain character and give it to everyone, and in the words of Syndrome, "when everyone is super, no one will be"

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Uneccessary what-ifs are just that. Unnecessary. They are annoying. Goku is the only nonfused character to reach this form, that's something special that Goku has. You don't give that out to everyone. I would hate to see Mystic Goku, Mystic Trunks, so on. No that's something only Gohan has. May as well give Krillin and Piccolo SSJ3 too right? Throw in Legendary SSJ transformations for everyone too, right? No. What-if characters take what's unique about a certain character and give it to everyone, and in the words of Syndrome, "when everyone is super, no one will be"

Unnecessary to who, you? Not everyone shares your opinion. Are the Super Saiyan 3 transformations getting excessive? Yes. But that doesn't mean what-ifs, including most of the ones we've gotten recently, are a bad idea. SS3 was exclusive to Goku as the only non-fused character to reach it...but so what? It isn't some legendary, ultra, super, special, rare form only one person can have; it's a Saiyan form and nothing prevents anyone else from obtaining it. It also lost it's point of being something special to anyone the moment we got Super Saiyan 4,...actually, I may argue that it was never special because it never really accomplished anything in any part of the franchise (except defeating Hildegarn, but that was more the Ryuken anyway). it has long since been surpassed in terms of power by not only Super Saiyan 4, but Fusion and the Ultimate state too. Now, years later, you can add Super Saiyan God to the list as well.

It's not like any of this affects the the original manga/anime story, they are what-ifs after all. They are meant to be fun, excite kids and give something new to the franchise to prevent it from growing stale since it doesn't have a constant stream of new content. They don't hurt anyone.

[TheLegendaryGohan]

Uneccessary what-ifs are just that. Unnecessary. They are annoying. Goku is the only nonfused character to reach this form, that's something special that Goku has. You don't give that out to everyone. I would hate to see Mystic Goku, Mystic Trunks, so on. No that's something only Gohan has. May as well give Krillin and Piccolo SSJ3 too right? Throw in Legendary SSJ transformations for everyone too, right? No. What-if characters take what's unique about a certain character and give it to everyone, and in the words of Syndrome, "when everyone is super, no one will be"

Unnecessary to who, you? Not everyone shares your opinion. Are the Super Saiyan 3 transformations getting excessive? Yes. But that doesn't mean what-ifs, including most of the ones we've gotten recently, are a bad idea. SS3 was exclusive to Goku as the only non-fused character to reach it...but so what? It isn't some legendary, ultra, super, special, rare form only one person can have; it's a Saiyan form and nothing prevents anyone else from obtaining it. It also lost it's point of being something special to anyone the moment we got Super Saiyan 4,...actually, I may argue that it was never special because it never really accomplished anything in any part of the franchise (except defeating Hildegarn, but that was more the Ryuken anyway). it has long since been surpassed in terms of power by not only Super Saiyan 4, but Fusion and the Ultimate state too. Now, years later, you can add Super Saiyan God to the list as well.



It's not like any of this affects the the original manga/anime story, they are what-ifs after all. They are meant to be fun, excite kids and give something new to the franchise to prevent it from growing stale since it doesn't have a constant stream of new content. It doesn't hurt anyone.

I know not everyone shares my opinion and I could easily flip that around and say that to you. Why would we need a hundred fan wish characters in the game. It makes it feel really not like a DBZ game and more like the devs trying to see how many made up characters they can fit in. Not everyone wants to see SSJ blank, SSJ3 blank, and so on over and over. I wasn't specifically calling SSJ3 special I was saiyan basically that's something few character can legitimately do, so no I don't want to see a SSJ3 Gohan added in. He can't do that. That's why he has Mystic form. Characters are unique, lets not ruin it by turning DBZ into having fans take over adding this and that. How about we leave them as they are, instead of being annoying because that one guy wanted SSJ4 Broly, so now there is a random SSJ4 Broly. It's stupid in my opinion to add all of this. That's what mods are for. If they aren't real characters, I don't want to see them, and because you don't agree that doesn't mean many others don't.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm not saying this game needs to expand off what Heroes was doing and add in new what-ifs; I don't want SS4 Broli or SS3 Gohan either. But characters like SS3 Gogeta, Bebi Janenba, SS3 Broli, etc already exist and are part of officially licensed products now. They aren't just fan concoctions anymore, they are officially a real part of the franchise and they don't deserve to be tossed to the wayside and forgotten in the future (like GT tried to do with Ultimate Gohan). If they don't plan on doing anything to expand on their inclusion in other parts of the franchise (figures, games, etc as previously stated), then they should have never introduced them to begin with because putting them in one game series that only a small fraction of the fanbase in Japan is even going to play is nothing but a waste.

Creating an official SS3 future Trunks and not including him in a game outside of Heroes for the fans to play as or a figure for those who want him to collect, it's just as bad as if they would have introduce Birus in Battle of Gods and then never mentioned him again in a game, as a figure, as a card, a pencil holder, etc.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm not saying this game needs to expand off what Heroes was doing and add in new what-ifs; I don't want SS4 Broli or SS3 Gohan either. But characters like SS3 Gogeta, Bebi Janenba, SS3 Broli, etc already exist and are part of officially licensed products now. They aren't just fan concoctions anymore, they are officially a real part of the franchise and they don't serve to be tossed to the wayside and forgotten in the future (like GT tried to do with Ultimate Gohan). If they don't plan on doing anything to expand on their inclusion in other parts of the franchise (figures, games, etc as previously stated), then they should have never introduced them to begin with because putting them in one game series that only a small fraction of the fanbase in Japan is even going to play is nothing but a waste.

Creating an official SS3 future Trunks and not including him in a game outside of Heroes for the fans to play as or a figure for those who want him to collect, it's just as bad as if they would have introduce Birus in Battle of Gods and then never mentioned him again in a game, as a figure, as a card, a pencil holder, etc.

They have Beers pencil holders!?!?!

[miguelnuva1]

Heroes is only doing with SSJ3 that AT did with SSJ1.

Let's look at who has SSJ3.

Vegeta: Should have done it in the series at some point.

Broly: He is the Legendary SSJ, makes him a threat again and shows that Legendary is truly that.

Gogeta: Is a fusion of Goku and Vegeta he would have this form regardless.

Trunks and Gohan: Hybrids who have potentail greater then full saiyans. Trunks is simply made a SSJ3 because they were tyring to recapture the Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks super saiyan show and Gohan having is a cool alternative to Ultimate Gohan.

GT Trunks: This is where the SSJ3 has gotten excessive and now it isn't fair to not give SSJ3 to Goten.

[TheLegendaryGohan]

They are not real in my eyes. I never saw them in the manga, the anime, not even in movies. Just because they put it in another game doesn't make it some part of the series. I think it's stupid. I they didn't really achieve the form, I don't want to see it, no matter how badass we all know a Future Trunks SSJ3 would look. It's not creative, it's annoying to see a bunch of people that don't even exist just because they want to make an already OP Broly get just a but more OP. I can't stand these made up characters. Vegeta never became a SSJ3, deal with it people, Future Trunks never even went SSJ2 so how would SSJ3 even work? Same with Broly. The whatifs never happened and they make no sense.

[VegettoEX]

Most of that is perfectly fine to feel and think for your own tastes and personal fandom, but that stuff does happen where it happens, and people are allowed to like them on their own if they choose to and find some sort of artistic or entertainment value in them.

[TheLegendaryGohan]

I didn't say they weren't allowed to like them, that wouldn't make sense, all I said was I find it dumb to pile on unnecessary, fake characters. It's not creative to me, it doesn't make sense, and it just feels like a ton of "OC" fan characters and makes the game feel like trash to me. Again, no I don't want to see a SSJ3 Broly, a Mystic Goku BS like that. Let us keep what's unique to certain people only for them. Only Goku and Vegeta reached SSJ4, that's something only they can do so its something only they should have. I'm not turning this into an argument because that would be pointless, I shared my opinion on these fan wish dumb characters, there's no need to have more than one person try to tell me exactly what the last person said like it makes a difference. I don't like them they lack creativity. End of story. No argument. No back and forth. We just have different opinions. Leave it at that.

[TheGmGoken]

Seriously where the hell is SSJ2 Goten and Trunks. SSJ3 should't have been for Trunks. Maybe SSJ2. Future Trunks IMO got SSJ2 after Cell Arc. Through SSJ3 is a little much. I'm a huge fan of what if but DB Heroes is going overboard imo. I do want some what if(s) in BOZ just good one or at least awfully funny bad ones.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Future Trunks never even went SSJ2 so how would SSJ3 even work? Same with Broly. The whatifs never happened and they make no sense.

Same for Gotenks. They never gave him SS2, and Heroes only gave him SS3! Wait...

[TheLegendaryGohan]

I don't think Gotenks ever really had SSJ2 because after the Cell arc they pretended like SSJ2 never happened even though I think you are joking. But seriously why does everyone need a SSJ3 transformation regardless if they even reached SSJ2 yet.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think Gotenks ever really had SSJ2 because after the Cell arc they pretended like SSJ2 never happened even though I think you are joking. But seriously why does everyone need a SSJ3 transformation regardless if they even reached SSJ2 yet.

What? Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan all used SSJ2 in the Buu Arc.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But if Gotenks never had SS2 (he had it according to guidebooks), why does he have SS3? Same for Gogeta, Trunks, Future Trunks, Future Gohan, and Broli. They all achieved SS2 in their (non-existent) what-if scenarios, but they just don't show it to us in the games.

BTW, Future Trunks & Future Gohan had Super Saiyan 2 in some games (Gohan also had Ultimate).

[Hellspawn28]

SSj3 is the most popular SSj3 form which is why Heroes is milking the shit out of it. I rather have fantasy characters like Bebi Janemba then another pointless SSj3 character like SSj3 Future Gohan. With Vegeta and Future Turnks, it was cool. Having GT Trunks got SSj3 makes no sense since he most likely got weaker after the Buu saga.