Beyond wrote:No one is going to actually call Goku out on it most likely. No one on u7 team but Gohan, and Krillin have the moral ground to do it. Gohan definitely won't. He didn't even call his father out when he almost got him killed against cell. I doubt Krillin would either.
It made sense for Gohan to not call Goku out there. Gohan willingly put his life in danger before and after that. .
That's true, but I'd imagine the cell games was the worst thing goku ever did to him (not intentionally ) and he didn't care (which is in character for Gohan), so if the worst thing Goku ever did to him, didn't cause any anger, this probably won't either. I personally would love for Goku to get called out, but who could?
Edit: The fact that Gohan likes Piccolo at all proves that he is a saint that can't get very mad at anyone who isn't blatantly evil.
Beyond wrote:No one is going to actually call Goku out on it most likely. No one on u7 team but Gohan, and Krillin have the moral ground to do it. Gohan definitely won't. He didn't even call his father out when he almost got him killed against cell. I doubt Krillin would either.
It made sense for Gohan to not call Goku out there. Gohan willingly put his life in danger before and after that. .
That's true, but I'd imagine the cell games was the worst thing goku ever did to him (not intentionally ) and he didn't care (which is in character for Gohan), so if the worst thing Goku ever did to him, didn't cause any anger, this probably won't either. I personally would love for Goku to get called out, but who could?
I think Gohan would care more about this because it puts Pan in danger. When someone does something bad to Gohan he doesn't care half as much as when someone does something bad to his loved ones. I don't think he's going to call Goku out for it though. I don't think Gohan's ever done that to someone he likes off the top of my head. Beerus almost definitely will. Maybe Piccolo and Vegeta ?
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kinisking wrote:I think Gohan would care more about this because it puts Pan in danger. When someone does something bad to Gohan he doesn't care half as much as when someone does something bad to his loved ones. I don't think he's going to call Goku out for it though. I don't think Gohan's ever done that to someone he likes off the top of my head. Beerus almost definitely will. Maybe Piccolo and Vegeta ?
If Gohan didn't punch Goku's teeth out after F where he moronically lets Freeza go (after stating Freeza would've killed him for sure if he mastered Golden) he's not gonna care now when it would be equally justified.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
kinisking wrote:
It made sense for Gohan to not call Goku out there. Gohan willingly put his life in danger before and after that. .
That's true, but I'd imagine the cell games was the worst thing goku ever did to him (not intentionally ) and he didn't care (which is in character for Gohan), so if the worst thing Goku ever did to him, didn't cause any anger, this probably won't either. I personally would love for Goku to get called out, but who could?
I think Gohan would care more about this because it puts Pan in danger. When someone does something bad to Gohan he doesn't care half as much as when someone does something bad to his loved ones. I don't think he's going to call Goku out for it though. I don't think Gohan's ever done that to someone he likes off the top of my head. Beerus almost definitely will. Maybe Piccolo and Vegeta ?
I think Vegeta will point it out, but not have the biggest reaction due to the fact that he's done basically the same thing, except knowingly.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
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HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
kinisking wrote:I think Gohan would care more about this because it puts Pan in danger. When someone does something bad to Gohan he doesn't care half as much as when someone does something bad to his loved ones. I don't think he's going to call Goku out for it though. I don't think Gohan's ever done that to someone he likes off the top of my head. Beerus almost definitely will. Maybe Piccolo and Vegeta ?
If Gohan didn't punch Goku's teeth out after F where he moronically lets Freeza go (after stating Freeza would've killed him for sure if he mastered Golden) he's not gonna care now when it would be equally justified.
Like I said, I don't think Gohan would ever have that drama with someone he likes. Even in this case. Although I think this case is even worse even if we assume that Gohan heard that line because it puts pans life in immediate danger, destruction of massive amounts of life is guaranteed, and no Whis or Beerus to save them.
Also I don't think Vegeta would care Kanassa. Vegeta doesn't seem like the type to worry about being a hypocrite and at least he can say that hes changed.
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kinisking wrote:Like I said, I don't think Gohan would ever have that drama with someone he likes. Even in this case. Although I think this case is even worse even if we assume that Gohan heard that line because it puts pans life in immediate danger, destruction of massive amounts of life is guaranteed, and no Whis or Beerus to save them.
Still, family can fight and argue, it seems really weird that Gohan is just as emotionally stunted in many areas like his dad is but he's supposed to be more intelligent. I know emotional intellect and general intellect can be mutually exclusive, but I feel like he shouldn't be okay with Goku just letting Freeza go which chain reacts into Gohan's wife, daughter, mom, brother and dad-in-law dying. Even with Whis reversing things, in the long term this shouldn't get handwaved away.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
kinisking wrote:Like I said, I don't think Gohan would ever have that drama with someone he likes. Even in this case. Although I think this case is even worse even if we assume that Gohan heard that line because it puts pans life in immediate danger, destruction of massive amounts of life is guaranteed, and no Whis or Beerus to save them.
Still, family can fight and argue, it seems really weird that Gohan is just as emotionally stunted in many areas like his dad is but he's supposed to be more intelligent. I know emotional intellect and general intellect can be mutually exclusive, but I feel like he shouldn't be okay with Goku just letting Freeza go which chain reacts into Gohan's wife, daughter, mom, brother and dad-in-law dying. Even with Whis reversing things, in the long term this shouldn't get handwaved away.
Yeah, but to be fair no one else said anything either. It could be a variety of things like they might be too irrelevant, the characters might respect Goku too much, they don't want Goku to look bad, or they think something like that's too serious for Dragonball. I don't know tbh.
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kinisking wrote:Like I said, I don't think Gohan would ever have that drama with someone he likes. Even in this case. Although I think this case is even worse even if we assume that Gohan heard that line because it puts pans life in immediate danger, destruction of massive amounts of life is guaranteed, and no Whis or Beerus to save them.
Still, family can fight and argue, it seems really weird that Gohan is just as emotionally stunted in many areas like his dad is but he's supposed to be more intelligent. I know emotional intellect and general intellect can be mutually exclusive, but I feel like he shouldn't be okay with Goku just letting Freeza go which chain reacts into Gohan's wife, daughter, mom, brother and dad-in-law dying. Even with Whis reversing things, in the long term this shouldn't get handwaved away.
Goku had won the fight at this point and then had a dirty tricked used on him, yeah its Gokus fault for letting his guard down, but in the end its not like Goku sat there and let Freeza blow up earth on purpose, besides it was undone and Goku did Kill freeza.
HeroR wrote:
Hit agreed it wouldn't work and didn't try to use it to avoid Goku's Kamehameha. If Hit could have simply froze Goku in that moment to avoid impact, why didn't he? He sure in hell used it during the tourument to avoid the Kamehameha.
Because probably he cant use tokitobashi and his dimension abilities at the same time(He was focusing on not letting his dimension portal being destroyed, practically leaving himself wide open), I bet they will explain it once Hit gets to face the Alien guy.
SansrivaaL wrote:Thats too much, Dragon Ball is as simple as it is, I doubt anyone would blame Goku for the matter in universe as well, unlike us fans they're actually characters in the story, to them this is all Zeno's fault, all Goku did was remind Zeno of the tournament, its not like Goku's the one doing the destroying.
You've oversimplifying it. The scene where Beerus threatens to destroy Goku wasn't placed in the episode for no reason. Goku is getting some character in development in regards to his reckless and naive nature for sure.
I really hope you're right Doctor. I love me some Goku, but this is honestly the perfect time to have him develop further.
Beyond wrote:
kinisking wrote:
Beyond wrote:No one is going to actually call Goku out on it most likely. No one on u7 team but Gohan, and Krillin have the moral ground to do it. Gohan definitely won't. He didn't even call his father out when he almost got him killed against cell. I doubt Krillin would either.
It made sense for Gohan to not call Goku out there. Gohan willingly put his life in danger before and after that. .
That's true, but I'd imagine the cell games was the worst thing goku ever did to him (not intentionally ) and he didn't care (which is in character for Gohan), so if the worst thing Goku ever did to him, didn't cause any anger, this probably won't either. I personally would love for Goku to get called out, but who could?
Edit: The fact that Gohan likes Piccolo at all proves that he is a saint that can't get very mad at anyone who isn't blatantly evil.
Honestly, Gohan and Kuririn calling Goku out (which is really the most unlikely scenario would be pretty cool if it happened, especially with the last two episodes highlighting Goku and Kuririn's contrast to fighting.
"Sighs...At my age, I already have a woman who follows me around thinking she's my wife. Oh! My youth's rotting away!" - Ataru Moroboshi
We might get Krillin calling Goku out actually. We saw him sticking up to Goku in 76 after all.
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Probably because Vegeta threatened Goku so many times now that it comes across as just another empty threat.
This and that I want Goku to be scolded by everyone not just Vegeta. This would be a great opportunity for a true reveal of his character, stating that he don't care about anything than fighting and his lust for power made him blind enough to ignore those harmed by this tournament.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
I'm curious on how the fandom will react when the 8 fighters of U7 jobbed and they pull a Goku and Vegeta show.What will be your reaction when this happens
The gr wrote:I'm curious on how the fandom will react when the 8 fighters of U7 jobbed and they pull a Goku and Vegeta show.What will be your reaction when this happens
There's no way they're all jobbing.
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The gr wrote:I'm curious on how the fandom will react when the 8 fighters of U7 jobbed and they pull a Goku and Vegeta show.What will be your reaction when this happens
There's no way they're all jobbing.
I'm just saying if this scenario happens then how the fandom will react
is highly unlikely that these 8 fighters will get jobbed since they have been in poster, in the op and heck they got their own eyecatchers
The gr wrote:I'm curious on how the fandom will react when the 8 fighters of U7 jobbed and they pull a Goku and Vegeta show.What will be your reaction when this happens
There's no way they're all jobbing.
I'm just saying if this scenario happens then how the fandom will react
is highly unlikely that these 8 fighters will get jobbed since they have been in poster, in the op and heck they got their own eyecatchers
In that case expect a LOT of anger and people saying they'll never watch Super again. Although they'll be back for the next live stream.
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The gr wrote:I'm just saying if this scenario happens then how the fandom will react
is highly unlikely that these 8 fighters will get jobbed since they have been in poster, in the op and heck they got their own eyecatchers
In that case expect a LOT of anger and people saying they'll never watch Super again. Although they'll be back for the next live stream.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
If Super shits on all 8 fighters, I am actually done with it.
I can tolerate Tien and Roshi jobbing, but if even Gohan and 17 amount to nothing, I'm done.
They won't disappoint though, every decision made after the black arc has been incredible so far. It's in good hands !
17 will definitely do well. He's been gone for way too long. I want to say the same thing about Gohan but at this point, I simply cant #believe like I used to.
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kinisking wrote:
In that case expect a LOT of anger and people saying they'll never watch Super again. Although they'll be back for the next live stream.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
If Super shits on all 8 fighters, I am actually done with it.
I can tolerate Tien and Roshi jobbing, but if even Gohan and 17 amount to nothing, I'm done.
They won't disappoint though, every decision made after the black arc has been incredible so far. It's in good hands !
17 will definitely do well. He's been gone for way too long. I want to say the same thing about Gohan but at this point, I simply cant #believe like I used to.
Pretty much. It just makes no sense to up the teams from 5-man team to a 10-man team if you were going to have all non Goku/Vegeta characters get shafted. 17 has the best chance of any non Goku/Vegeta character of looking good. With Gohan (and practically everyone else too), you got to be wary.
"Sighs...At my age, I already have a woman who follows me around thinking she's my wife. Oh! My youth's rotting away!" - Ataru Moroboshi
I feel like Goku is going to be taken out before the finals. He instigated this situation for his own satisfaction, so it would be interesting to see him denied that and having to deal with the potential ramifications of a bad call that he can't overcome through punching and kicking or the Dragon Balls.
