"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Goku getting a new form is basically proof that they'll train.

[HeroR]

I'm loving the term of Goku and Vegeta wankfest.Wow is like 99% of the fandom is sick of them

Only the most vocal sections. According to polls and ratings, most people don't care if Goku and Vegeta take up all the screen time.

Like which poll are you referring too

Mostly Dragon Ball Forever Poll and even the polls done during Dragon Ball's run. The human cast outside of Krillin don't ranked that high. Only Piccolo is the non-Saiyan character in the top five.

What? It's not necessary for "humans" to do stuff..
Gohan helped a ton by ape form, yajirobe cut his tail off, Krillin controlled the genki dama and was ready to kill off vegeta..

They are basically all spineless weaklings now and don't care enough to change it..
This is pathetic no matter how you cut it..

And that's my point, why have them in the story when they can't help do shit, when goku and Vegeta can beat everyone with a look why have them there, it's a story after all just have them continue with their PTSD lives and make the team a 2 man force

Gohan is a half-Saiyan and is never considered a human in or out of universe. Not even Pan is considered human and she has more human genes than Saiyan.

I will give you Yajirobe and Krillin in the Saiyan Saga, although the majority of the cast still died and stayed dead for the entire Namek/Freeza Saga.

Weaklings, but certainly not spineless. And even when the humans did train, they still fall behind the Saiyans and Piccolo, look at the Android/Cell Saga.

[namekiansaiyan]

The idea that even if you lose you don't have to job is something that is foreign to this fandom. I hope to god that there is at least one team match with no saiyans where they fight a strong dude and still win. Any combination of Krillin, Piccolo, Tien, and Roshi would be nice. No one expects anything from them.

I want Piccolo, Tien, Roshi to team up and all use the multi form technique.

Dragon Ball never had a team of equals. Since the Freeza Saga it has been the Saiyan and everyone else with Piccolo some time making a cameo . This isn't Yu Yu Hakusho.

The worst decision Toriyama ever made in the series.

The important term here is "light years"
Or as Tek ninja put it "<<<<<<<<<<<<<"

Dragonball had fighters who could help in some way, any way, if everyone teamed up they could hold off the enemy for some time..
They had a big gap, even massive sometimes but never has it been so big that everyone is as good as farmer with a shotgun, dosen't matter who you are..

This gets boring fast, there's a reason FT had to be given rage mode, if not it would have been again a goku Vegeta wank fest, frankly no one wants to see only them doing shit around anymore when others
don't even want to try, are weaklings even if they do and got PTSD all over themselves..

It's pathetic form an inuniverse perspective and completely stupid form an out universe, why even keep them around if they aren't capable to doing anything at all when it's necessary, not even useful as a meat shield

In this tournament I just want to see the other characters have big epic fights as they have not had any in the franchise for a long time.

[ArchedThunder]

I think the preliminary rounds will cut down the fighters of each universe from 10 to maybe 3-4.

Goku and Vegeta will of course make the cut. I'd say Piccolo and Gohan will be the other 2 but I won't be surprised if Buu manages to take one of their spots.

I don't think there will be any preliminary rounds. We'll get the exhibition matches and then the real tournament will come a bit later with 10 person teams and team battles of 2v2.

[namekiansaiyan]

Only the most vocal sections. According to polls and ratings, most people don't care if Goku and Vegeta take up all the screen time.

Like which poll are you referring too

Mostly Dragon Ball Forever Poll and even the polls done during Dragon Ball's run. The human cast outside of Krillin don't ranked that high. Only Piccolo is the non-Saiyan character in the top five.

What? It's not necessary for "humans" to do stuff..
Gohan helped a ton by ape form, yajirobe cut his tail off, Krillin controlled the genki dama and was ready to kill off vegeta..

They are basically all spineless weaklings now and don't care enough to change it..
This is pathetic no matter how you cut it..

And that's my point, why have them in the story when they can't help do shit, when goku and Vegeta can beat everyone with a look why have them there, it's a story after all just have them continue with their PTSD lives and make the team a 2 man force

Gohan is a half-Saiyan and is never considered a human in our out of universe. Not even Pan is considered human and she has more human genes than Saiyan.

I will give you Yajirobe and Krillin in the Saiyan Saga, although the majority of the cast still died and stayed dead for the entire Namek/Freeza Saga.

Weaklings, but certainly not spineless. And even when the humans did train, they still fall behind the Saiyans and Piccolo, look at the Android/Cell Saga.

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

[Ki Breaker]

Gohan is a half-Saiyan and is never considered a human in our out of universe. Not even Pan is considered human and she has more human genes than Saiyan.

I will give you Yajirobe and Krillin in the Saiyan Saga, although the majority of the cast still died and stayed dead for the entire Namek/Freeza Saga.

Weaklings, but certainly not spineless. And even when the humans did train, they still fall behind the Saiyans and Piccolo, look at the Android/Cell Saga.

Yes gohan is a Saiyan but he is not goku, that is what is important, we are talking about others closer to their power to help..

And dude, this is a story, why can't others get god ki and get closer to their levels to help?
Why aren't they being given any boost whatsoever but still being dragged in if them losing provides nothing of importance. AT. All. Who cares when goku can one shot everyone with wasting a single stamina bar.. it's utterly pointless

[sintzu]

I don't think there will be any preliminary rounds. We'll get the exhibition matches and then the real tournament will come a bit later with 10 person teams and team battles of 2v2.

If this isn't the real torunament won't that make it a preliminary thing ?

[ArchedThunder]

I don't think there will be any preliminary rounds. We'll get the exhibition matches and then the real tournament will come a bit later with 10 person teams and team battles of 2v2.

If this isn't the real torunament won't that make it a preliminary thing ?

No, because it's not trimming down the number of fighters on each team. It's just an example to Zeno of what a tournament is like.

[HeroR]

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Yes gohan is a Saiyan but he is not goku, that is what is important, we are talking about others closer to their power to help..

And dude, this is a story, why can't others get god ki and get closer to their levels to help?
Why aren't they being given any boost whatsoever but still being dragged in if them losing provides nothing of importance. AT. All. Who cares when goku can one shot everyone with wasting a single stamina bar.. it's utterly pointless

Gohan was also set up to be a secondary main character and even the main character at one point. So this isn't a comparison of equals.

Maybe because Toriyama doesn't want a repeat of the infamous Super Saiyan bargain sell. Even then, each new step of Super Saiyan became more exclusive with only Goku and Gotenks getting Super Saiyan 3. And to be blunt, that has been the humans' role since the beginning of Dragon Ball. They exists to keep Goku from wasting stamina or to keep the villains from doing more damaged before Goku arrives.

This isn't just a Dragon Ball thing, this is a standard cliche in Shonan. Some times this works well since even the strongest hero will get worn out if they had to fight every piece of fodder that gets in their way. Rurouni Kenshin is a great example of this. Extremely powerful main character who happened to be a glass cannon (at least compared to most of the villains in the show who are made of iron). The same with Yu Yu Hakusho where Yusuke can only used his strongest technique, the Spirit Gun, so many times in a day, so he can't just run through endless fodder.

[kinisking]

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

[Totamo]

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

future trunks is the fourth most popular character in a lot of polls and he was only there for one arc and barely did much in it.

gohan is the third and he is now a pansey.

sooooooooooo

[HeroR]

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

Again, Korin who hasn't have a presence since the King Piccolo Saga was ranked #12. Bulma, one of the main female characters in the show, was ranked #17. Mr. Satan barely missed the top 10 at #11. Master Roshi who fell off the map in Z, #13. Even Gohan being gimped to hell and has his screen time greatly reduced still manages to hang at #3 in most polls.

The importance of power and scene time is overestimated around here.

future trunks is the fourth most popular character in a lot of polls and he was only there for one arc and barely did much in it.

gohan is the third and he is now a pansey.

sooooooooooo

A FYI, Future and Present Trunks are ranked as the same person.

[TheMathemagician]

The reason the non Saiyans were low on that list is obviously becuase Toriyama made them weaker and stopped using them in any big fights so fans naturally stopped liking them.

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

Yeah it's probably a factor, but it probably doesn't play that since the poll speaks for itself. There are less relevant and weaker characters that outrank stronger and or more relevant characters.

[Ki Breaker]

And to be blunt, that has been the humans' role since the beginning of Dragon Ball. They exists to keep Goku from wasting stamina or to keep the villains from doing more damaged before Goku arrives.

Even if we agree for a second thats true , now they aren't even capable or interested in doing that, nor does goku need it..
They level of opponents they could beat is something goku can't waste stamina on..
It's not that hard to see others are of no use whatsoever anymore without a boost yet they can't be bothered to be given one..

I happen to like my Dragonball with everyone closer in power enough to help out even if goku takes the main stage and that's not something I alone feel either..
This really isn't something that is debatable anymore, We can't reach a conclusion like this.. let's not continue it further

[kinisking]

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

future trunks is the fourth most popular character in a lot of polls and he was only there for one arc and barely did much in it.

gohan is the third and he is now a pansey.

sooooooooooo

And guess what ? The Top 3 are the most relevant and the strongest of the heroes. Even Future Trunks has huge focus in the arc he was in. Saying it has no factor is pretty ridiculous.

[namekiansaiyan]

Krillin is one of the weaker characters on the show and he's in the top ten being out Majin Buu, Freeza, and even his own wife. The same with Mr. Satan who is a ranks higher than Tien and Yamcha who are way stronger than him. Freaking Korin is on the list beating out Master Roshi, Tien, and Yamcha and he hasn't bee useful since the King Piccolo Saga. Master Roshi himself also fell out the radar after Dragon Ball and he beats Cell, Tien, and Yamcha.

Being weak or having little screen time has nothing to do with it.

Let's not exaggerate. It definitely is a factor. It's not the only factor but c'mon.

future trunks is the fourth most popular character in a lot of polls and he was only there for one arc and barely did much in it.

gohan is the third and he is now a pansey.

sooooooooooo

The poll is old now so it does not really matter as Super is not included.

[dragonballhero]

I don't know why, but there's something about the first 3 fighters of this thing being Goku, Gohan, and Buu that gives me such a good feeling inside and makes me feel more hype than I probably should feel.

[Kagari]

The poll is old now so it does not really matter as Super is not included.

Regardless, those 3 and Trunks still seem to get the most exposure in merchandising these days.

[HeroR]

And to be blunt, that has been the humans' role since the beginning of Dragon Ball. They exists to keep Goku from wasting stamina or to keep the villains from doing more damaged before Goku arrives.

Even if we agree for a second thats true , now they aren't even capable or interested in doing that, nor does goku need it..
They level of opponents they could beat is something goku can't waste stamina on..
It's not that hard to see others are of no use whatsoever anymore without a boost yet they can't be bothered to be given one..

I happen to like my Dragonball with everyone closer in power enough to help out even if goku takes the main stage and that's not something I alone feel either..
This really isn't something that is debatable anymore, We can't reach a conclusion like this.. let's not continue it further

That is because there are far more characters like Beerus, Whis, Jaco, ect. The human cast got left in the dust for the most part and this tournament may frankly be their last hurrah.

Dragon Ball characters haven't been even in power since the King Piccolo Saga and the gap only got wider.

And guess what ? The Top 3 are the most relevant and the strongest of the heroes. Even Future Trunks has huge focus in the arc he was in. Saying it has no factor is pretty ridiculous.

Gohan was relevant during the Buu Saga to the point of being the main character and he didn't break the top 5. Piccolo's role got reduced, didn't even fight, and he was still in the top 5. Vegeta was dead for most of the Buu Saga and he was number 2.

[Lord Frieza]

So the first match is Majin Buu vs Basil Brush. Should be interesting....



In all seriousness I love the design of this wolf pack and to any one who things they wont be strong....an anorexic cat man and his obese brother are the Gods of Destruction.

Also this match is just a taster fight? Thats actually really good in my opinion, a short 3 v 3 fight to wet the appetite before the real show starts. By lore of averages (and despite what some people think or want) at least one of these fights needs to be won or drawn by the U9 fighters. We had the weaker then our team and gimmick fighter BS with the U6 fighters, these guys need to have a better showing.