Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 16; Still Unreleased

[VegettoEX]

As someone who doesn't care one lick about either dub, YouTube comments are awful from both sides, but I will admit I see a much higher concentration from those who are specifically fans of the Ocean dub that specifically go out of their way to very specifically comment rudely on FUNimation-based dub clips.

I mean, shit, an "Ocean fanboy" started posting up nonsense on one of my AMVs that has absolutely nothing to do with DragonBall in any way, shape, or form.

If you folks here can't converse nicely about it, you should just head on back to YouTube where it's acceptable. Thanks.

[RazorX]

That's cool, but from my experiences, whenever I go to an Ocean dub clip on youtube, there's usually (but not always) one or a couple of Funimation fans posting nonsense about the dub, plus the "comparison" comments seem to pop up more on Ocean videos than Funi.

[jjgp1112]

FUNiFanFags, Here is No.1 Proof that Ocean Studios Dub is the Best DBZ dub! [Vegeta Pissed Off]

*ahem*

[RazorX]

FUNiFanFags, Here is No.1 Proof that Ocean Studios Dub is the Best DBZ dub! [Vegeta Pissed Off]

*ahem*

An example of an Ocean dubbed DBZ video where Funimation fanboys comment just to bash the dub

Another example

And another

And yet another.....you get the idea

[VegettoEX]

I think jjgp1112's point is that, rather than simply commenting, there is an overwhelming "Ocean Fanboy" crusade to create videos about it which also contain the same inflammatory messages as the comments.

Which, yes, is reality.

[RazorX]

I think jjgp1112's point is that, rather than simply commenting, there is an overwhelming "Ocean Fanboy" crusade to create videos about it which also contain the same inflammatory messages as the comments.

Which, yes, is reality.

I was mainly refering to the comments section, but there used to be videos bashing the dubs from either side, which were taken down when their accounts got suspended. There were not that many of them though from what I remember.

[Puto]

Indeed let's not be delusional, all you have to do is compare the comments in the Ocean and Funi videos and you'll find that the ratio of Funi fans coming into Ocean videos just to bash the dub and pick fights is far higher than the ratio of Ocean fans going to Funi videos just to bash the Funi dub.

I think that's more because there are far less Ocean fans than there are FUNi fans. But that's just me.

But yeah, you rarely find FUNimation videos where the actual video description even mentions the Ocean dub at all. Much less stuff like "FUNiFanFags".

[penguintruth]

I wouldn't use YT comments to measure any type of sentiment.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Both FUNis and Oceans dub were no better or worse, they both used the same(practically) script with a few revisions by Ocean.
Both were terrible dubs in my opinion who both used bad techno music or used recycled music from Mega Man.

To end this regardless of ratings they were both utterly terrible.

To be honest there's been "NO" official word what so ever of an ocean production even in the works all we have are either Sean's or Kirby's word which really doesn't prove anything, and until we actually get proof there's really no point of this continuing considering all we have is from Kirby who which probably wouldn't play Goku at all.

And Kelamis was horrible as Goku and he sure proved it in Oceans second round.

[jjgp1112]

I wouldn't use YT comments to measure any type of sentiment.

Like I've said before, YT is a good measure of the consensus, just not the intelligence of said consensus.

[RazorX]

So you think linking a single video of an Ocean fan giving an example of why the Ocean dub is superior to Funimation is general consensus of the Ocean dub fan community? His language wasn't any worse than what Funi fans use when they bitch about the Ocean dub.

I've seen Funi fans bitching on Ocean dub videos too many times, however Funi fans don't just target the Ocean dub for their bitching, some of them rant about the original Japanese version, disrespecting it without even considering the fact that if it wasn't for the Japanese version, the Funi dub wouldn't exist. They come to Ocean videos to rant about it and do the same for the Japanese version, I'm seeing a pattern here. I've yet to come across an Ocean dub fan ranting or disrespecting the original Japanese version. From what I've seen, the Ocean dub fan who's video you linked earlier at least respects the original Japanese version.

I'd like to see you provide me with links showing an Ocean dub fan or fans bitching about the Japanese version. Good luck with that....

[jjgp1112]

There was that one video where they compared an Ocean Season 2 clip to a Funi season 2 clip that used the Japanese score and people complaining about how the Funi music sucked and the Ocean music blew it out the water. So yeah, that. The reason why you don't see many Ocean dub fans bashing the JP version is 1) They're too busy bashing the Funi version, which, if it weren't for that, the Westwood dub wouldn't exist since Funi gave them their footage and scripts and 2) There aren't that many Ocean fans anyway

[RazorX]

The music was used with the Funi dub, although it was the Japanese music, it's not really the original Japanese version. If the voices are bad, it doesn't go well even with decent music. I was mainly referring to any Ocean fans saying stuff like "Japanese version sucks everyone sounds like a girl, voices are crappy, character X has a shitty voice" etc that some Funi fans say. You know, disrespecting the original version, not the Funi dub with JP music, which is not the original version. As for your points:

1: There'd be less dub "wars" if Funi fans didn't pour into Ocean videos to bash the dub and provoke reactions. Your opinion about the Westwood dub not existing if Funi didnt provide footage and scripts is incorrect and easily refuted by the fact that the last few episodes did not use Funi's footage, they used AB Groupe's, the latter going on to provide footage to Blue Water for DB & GT. So if Funi didn't provide footage, no problem, AB Groupe would, and they did. If AB Groupe couldn't provide the footage, no problem, Toei Animation would. As far as script goes, I'm of the view that it was a mistake for Westwood to use similar scripts to Funi, if they made their own scripts, they would've been much better than Funi's. Case in point with Blue Water. I did not want Westwood Ocean's scripts to be similar to Funi's, but since some of Ocean's actors were working with Funi on the script, it was probably more economical for them to use that script. Let's not forget they probably had to pay to use them....
2: There's a lot of Ocean fans, you don't seem to want to acknowledge the fans in the non-English speaking countries.

[ThunderPX]

There'd be less dub "wars" if Funi fans didn't pour into Ocean videos to bash the dub and provoke reactions.

There'd be less if Ocean fans didn't bash FUNi too. Simple math. What's your point?

As far as script goes, I'm of the view that it was a mistake for Westwood to use similar scripts to Funi, if they made their own scripts, they would've been much better than Funi's.

This is a very irritating thing you do a lot. How do you know anything Ocean "would" or "might" do is automatically so much better than what FUNimation is doing? Do you have a crystal ball? Hey, could you tell me what kind of career I'm going to have later in life...?

(...) but since some of Ocean's actors were working with Funi on the script (...)

When was this confirmed? As far as I remember from the credits on FUNimation's DVDs, the only time anyone from the Ocean dub was credited was on the redub of seasons 1 and 2, as they reused a lot of the old script verbatim (a big mistake IMO, but that's not the point.)

2: There's a lot of Ocean fans, you don't seem to want to acknowledge the fans in the non-English speaking countries.

I'm not sure what you mean. What do people who don't speak English have to do with the Ocean dub?

[Puto]

The Ocean dub was aired on some non-English speaking countries (namely Netherlands; supposedly RazorX says it aired in Belgium too, though I was under the impression that Belgium got the French dub).

[RazorX]

This is a very irritating thing you do a lot. How do you know anything Ocean "would" or "might" do is automatically so much better than what FUNimation is doing? Do you have a crystal ball? Hey, could you tell me what kind of career I'm going to have later in life...?

That's what happens when you barge in to attack me without even reading my post . Now go back and read it again, see if you can find my reasoning behind my statement. Hint, it begins with a B and ends with a R. Aside from that, you can see what Ocean did for the scripts of some of their other dubs, such as Death Note. It's not like it was difficult for a professional dubbing studio to create a better script than Funi, taking into account how Funi's Z script ended up being. None of the rubbish involving crystal balls.

When was this confirmed? As far as I remember from the credits on FUNimation's DVDs, the only time anyone from the Ocean dub was credited was on the redub of seasons 1 and 2, as they reused a lot of the old script verbatim (a big mistake IMO, but that's not the point.)

They are listed in Funi's credits for the Cell and Buu sagas. I posted a video a few weeks ago to show someone, but you can easily look at Funi's credits.

I'm not sure what you mean. What do people who don't speak English have to do with the Ocean dub?

Ocean's dub aired in some non-English speaking countries, I know that the Netherlands even had Dutch subtitles on their Ocean dub broadcast.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

I dunno, FUNi and Ocean have always been connected with DBZ one way or another. It wouldn't be all that surprising if FUNi let them sub license.
It'd be cooler if it was a DVD or blu-ray only release though.

[RazorX]

It would be surprising for me. Funimation went the cheap route when they parted with Ocean all those years ago, even now they are on the cheap route (I wanted more recasts in the Funi dub) Why would Funi spend money on a dub produced by actors who used to work on their dub, but they left them due to their expensive costs? Especially for broadcast in a market where Funimation has no control whatsoever.

Kirby Morrow knows about Funimation but he explicitly said a new company has the project for Ocean's DB Kai dub.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

XD that comment right there should be taken with a grain of salt. It's the same with The Final Act's dub, no word from Viz. Only from Sango's VA.
Never trust words from a VA unless it comes from the parent company besides, what new company could it be? It'd certainly have to be from Europe.

Also if what Sean said was true you'd think there'd be voice samples by now right? Also if they changed the music which already gives the dub an "F" which also means they're not even going to bother with a serious script.
This could just be for laughs for all we know.

I also though AB group had the rights for Europe, so what company could it be because AB owns region 2 Europe.
I can only think of the Middle East but why would they bother with an English dub?

This really makes no logical sense what so ever. Yes, I understand sub licensing for Canada but AB owns the rights for most of Europe.

[RazorX]

You'd think someone who spent over 2 years working on DBZ is very familiar with it. Kirby mentions conventions of Kai as well as its internet presence and which countries the Ocean dub is going to be aired in. He appears to have done his research on it. Nonethless, it could indeed be AB Groupe behind the Ocean Kai dub, meaning Kirby might have forgotten who was behind Ocean's Z dub. Cannot say for certain but we'll know when the Ocean dub is released, hopefully with comprehensive credits.

As for voice samples, the Westwood Ocean dub took me by surprise, I didn't even have a hint that Ocean's Z dub was in production before its broadcast so it was a massive, pleasent surprise. Ocean are probably being secretive about their dub, as they were with Z, rather than hype it up before its release, which is an interesting marketing strategy. It gives me the impression they are confident their dub can succeed without the need to hype it up because they know they have quality voice actors and lots of experience in the dubbing industry.