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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:19 am

Freeza's races' second/first forms are actually their base forms. Cooler and Freeza are mutants, and their true forms are actually Super Saiyan-esque transformations. The stronger of the two, Cooler, was only stronger than the first few Super Saiyans in his final form, but could become stronger if he trained more.

Frieza's true form: Super Saiyan

100% Full Power: Ultra Super Saiyan.

Cooler's true form: Full Power Super Saiyan

Cooler's fifth form: Super Saiyan 2.

Also: Cooler trained to control the power of his true form and unlock his fifth form because Cold always favored Freeza, the stronger one, with Cooler eventually becoming the more powerful of the duo while Freeza was too lazy to even attempt it.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by ChahikoDBZ » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:36 am

That reminds me. I'll add this to my inside fanon.

- King Cold is seen in his second form throughout the series.

- To correct my earlier statement, Goku made love to Chichi the night before the Cell Games feeling that it would be his last night on Earth.

- Vegeta became a Super Saiyan 2 during the timeskip after the Cell Games.

- Mirai Gohan and Mirai Bulma may have had an affair.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:42 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Cooler and Freeza are mutants, and their true forms are actually Super Saiyan-esque transformations.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but that's not possible, because Freeza outright states that his final form is his true form, and the others were to suppress his power.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:51 am

I know it's his true form, the one he was born in. But clearly his suppressed forms aren't things he made up, as evidenced by Chilled and Cold. I use them as a baseline: his races' base forms look like that. He's a Super (Whatever). He also can't stay in his true form all the time because he can't control himself. This, coupled with the massive power increase it seems to have over his first three forms and the fact that no one else except Cooler has this form makes me think this is a Super Saiyan-esque thing, part of him being a mutant.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by soulnova » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:56 am

CaBrPi wrote: 3. Goku didn't totally abandon his family while training Oob. He also trained Pan.

I'd go with this too. Visiting Chi-Chi and Pan at least once a month. In addition, it still affected Pan for a while. The idea that her grandpa had chosen to train Uub over her pushed her to prove herself to him trying to turn Super Saiyan to keep up. Goku eventually tells her she never had to prove anything to him. She only needed to ask. *warm smile*
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Rostir » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:40 am

NUDEoctopus wrote:There are bound to be other saiyans roaming the galaxy, how could only two saiyans (Goku and Raditz) honestly be the ONLY ones deployed. Their whole race was centered on this trade. Thats ridiculous.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:43 am

I go with the theory that there were other Saiyans off Planet Vegeta when it was destroyed but Freeza went Order 66 on most of them.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by hleV » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:16 am

Yeah, either all the Saiyans were sent to Planet Vegeta by Freeza, or the Saiyans away from Planet Vegeta were still wiped out before or after Planet Vegeta's destruction. Vegeta was very confident in there only being 2 pure Saiyans left alive - him and Goku.

Anyway, there's a thing that I don't really understand. Raditz and Vegeta told that weak Saiyans like Goku are sent to planets like Earth where weaklings reside. Wouldn't that suggest that there had been other weak Saiyans sent away from Planet Vegeta when they were born?

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by DNA » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:28 am

You for to remember that the Saiyan population wasn't vast to begin with. And we were shown Dodoria actively hunting a team that was away from home. So it's safe to conclude that nearly all Saiyans were killed. Kakarotto was safe because he was being sent when the planet was being destroyed, so no report was filled about it.
Everyone else was hunted and killed except for unreported anomalies like Tullece, Broli and Tarble. Nappa, Vegeta and Onio were kept because they were directly working for the Freeza Clan. Raditz must have been another anomaly.
There might be more anomalies like these but I wouldn't think they would be many.
Besides that there's always Planet Saiya.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Fizzer » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:32 pm

ChahikoDBZ wrote: - To correct my earlier statement, Goku made love to Chichi the night before the Cell Games feeling that it would be his last night on Earth.
I've always thought that too, but I thought that was actually implied in the story. Didn't the narrator say something like "This is Goten, Goku left him with Chichi before he went to fight Cell. He's the son that Goku never got to meet"? Or am I getting confused with the dub?

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kaboom » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:49 pm

DNA wrote:Raditz must have been another anomaly.
Or maybe he just wasn't seen as a threat. :lol:

Even if he went Oozaru, Kwi or any of the Ginyu Force but Gurd could take him down pretty easily. Vegeta himself probably wouldn't hesitate to if ordered, either.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:04 pm

Not to mention, Super Saiyan Raditz would be weaker than Captain Ginyu...

Anyway Kaboom, you crossed a line when you said that Cui could actually win a fight. And Guldo could probably take him down easily as well, given that whole paralysis thing he has going for him.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by DNA » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:48 pm

I don't really get people's obsession with Saiyan survivors. At first we are told that a total of four survived, nowadays we've been shown five more survivors, what more do you want? A pure blooded Saiyan girl?

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:29 pm

Doesn't Goku tell Pan he'll visit at the end of Z? Or was the anime only?

Anyway, with Shunkan-Ido I think he visited his family often enough, spending some nights at the village and some at home.

I also like to think that while at Oob's village he wore an outfit just like Oob's. It'd suit him :3
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:47 pm

Pretty sure someone already said this, but I'm seconding that "others learned kaio-ken" theory. Tien actually does seem to use kaio-ken in filler (another part of my personal fanon/canon: that Ginyu Force filler actually happened), Piccolo references being able to increase his power in short busts, and it would some power jumps much less ridiculous. Tien (maybe the others, but probably not) learned it on King Kai's planet while Piccolo learned it during the training for the androids, hence why his power increased so fast.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:08 pm

If they learned Kaio-ken, the aura would be visible. Even in the Ginyu filler Tenshinhan's aura is clearly not the Kaio-ken.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Insertclevername » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:15 pm

Saiga wrote:Doesn't Goku tell Pan he'll visit at the end of Z? Or was the anime only?
It was anime only.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:16 pm

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Saiga wrote:Doesn't Goku tell Pan he'll visit at the end of Z? Or was the anime only?
It was anime only.
Ah, well, still part of my fanon that he would do so.

Anyone know of any fan-art of Goku in Oob's robe thing?
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by DNA » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:24 pm

Dragon Ball GT is actually 8 years after the end of Z, which falls in Age 792.
This makes everyone's appearances more plausible, Pan will be 13 sometime after May (her birthday is after the Tenkaichi Budokai which always falls in May), Bra will be 12 and Uub is 18.

The Tenkaichi Budokai we see is actually in 793 and is the 31st.

Then, all the story of Goku Junior is actually at 892, Pan is 112 and the Tenkaichi Budokai is the 64th, the same number of episodes GT has.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Insertclevername » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:32 pm

Saiga wrote:
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Saiga wrote:Doesn't Goku tell Pan he'll visit at the end of Z? Or was the anime only?
It was anime only.
Ah, well, still part of my fanon that he would do so.

Anyone know of any fan-art of Goku in Oob's robe thing?
Same and not to my knowledge. :(
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