Is Vegetto the Strongest of Any Anime Characters?

[Friezacooler]

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[Friezacooler]

A universe is much bigger than a dimension.....[/quote]

that is very arguable i guess.[/quote]

[Hellspawn28]

Those are dimensions, not universes. Other world, The Room of Spirit and Time and Deadzone are not universes. There is a difference between dimensions and universes since they are not the same.

not much difference between them except being on a different plane.

TROSAT and Other World are not stated as universes. Universes are much bigger and take place on a different plane.

[Rocketman]

As opposed to aliens who look like humans but have monkey tails, grow 50 times their size when they see the full moon and crash land on a planet with dinosaurs, humans, flying magic clouds, hoi-poi capsules, androids with infinite energy, animal people, etc, etc?

Yes, actually! By a fucking longshot!

[TheGmGoken]

As opposed to aliens who look like humans but have monkey tails, grow 50 times their size when they see the full moon and crash land on a planet with dinosaurs, humans, flying magic clouds, hoi-poi capsules, androids with infinite energy, animal people, etc, etc?

Yes, actually! By a fucking longshot!

Really? Universe on a globe is more weird than stopping evolution. I mean Beerus was going to infect people with evil.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Let me point out a few things.

Filler Buu was doing some kind of dimension scream that was going to cause some weird vibrational reaction that Dende somehow claimed would destroy the universe. No proof of this was ever given. Vegeto stopped him before he could even do it, it's not like how Grand Zamboa fired an actual universe-destroying/creating attack at TTGL and TTGL actually absorbed it.

Here are the points:

1. That scene is totally not canon

2. Even if we count it, there's no proof that attack could do what Dende said it could

3. Even if we assume it could, it would be more akin to using a match to light a fire that would spread and burn down a forest, compared to the Anti-Spiral's Infinity Big Bang Storm, which would be like destroying a forest all at once with a huge bomb. It's obvious which one is more powerful.

4. Ignoring that, the DBZ universe has only 4 galaxies anyway, while the TTGL universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies just like real life

5. If you ignore all of that above stuff, IBBS was said to have enough energy to create universe(s), plural. So it's still more powerful.

6. Vegeto didn't even survive/deflect/overwhelm the power of that attack, he stopped Buu before he could finish it. It's like if you knock a gun out of someone's hand before they fire it it doesn't mean you're bulletproof.

7. The Anti-Spiral trapped the Dai Gurren dan in a multiverse labyrinth of infinite universes which they broke out of, even before they gained the power to create TTGL.

8. IBBS was just Grand Zamboa's early attack, its version of Giga Drill Breaker and TTGL's own Giga Drill Breaker were more powerful still (remember throughout the fight TTGL and its Spiral Power were constantly evolving and becoming stronger and stronger, even after absorbing the IBBS, and the Anti-Spiral was constantly ramping up its power to match them).

9. If you want to use anime fillers then we can also use the Lagann-hen movie, featuring Super Grand Zamboa and Super TTGL, which were each hundreds of times bigger than their previous forms and much much more powerful, and each of their GDBs were much larger than themselves, the entire DBZ universe snowglobe would be like a tiny dot next to those things, they could crush it like a speck of dust.

10. That's not even mentioning all of the other crazy powers they have, like attacking through time and space to hit all timelines simultaneously, or altering probability to turn a 0% chance of victory into a fair fight.

tl;dr - DBZ has nothing on TTGL. Vegeto can't do anything to it.

[RandomGuy96]

1. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A DB CANON! When will people realize this?

2. Vegetto and Kibitoshin both said the same thing. The out of universe Daizenshuu also said it could. So, it can.

Just nitpicking, everything else you said is right.

[mAcChaos]

Why is everybody talking about filler not being canon?

The title of the thread is ANIME character, not manga. So forget about canon. It's the anime Buu that you should be talking about.

[Polyphase Avatron]

1. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A DB CANON! When will people realize this?

2. Vegetto and Kibitoshin both said the same thing. The out of universe Daizenshuu also said it could. So, it can.

Just nitpicking, everything else you said is right.

The Daizenshuu also says Kid Buu didn't destroy the Earth with his own power, so I take it with a grain of salt when it talks about techniques and such...

[KentalSSJ6]

As opposed to aliens who look like humans but have monkey tails, grow 50 times their size when they see the full moon and crash land on a planet with dinosaurs, humans, flying magic clouds, hoi-poi capsules, androids with infinite energy, animal people, etc, etc?

Yes, actually! By a fucking longshot!

Not trying to get off topic but WHAT IS your beef with Gurren Lagann? How is it any more ridiculous than say, Superman containing a black hole in his hand or destroying the universe with a sneeze, or other animes and comics where characters can bend reality, space, and time to their will? Yeah I know a lot of people love talking about Gurren Lagann's final forms a lot but please tell me your not going to let that ruin the whole series for you.

I mean, I can't stand the DBZ fans who exaggerate and bloat up Broly but that doesn't make me hate DBZ in general.

[Polyphase Avatron]

destroying the universe with a sneeze

Superman never did that...

[KentalSSJ6]

destroying the universe with a sneeze

Superman never did that...

Solar System*

Spoiler:

[Polyphase Avatron]

Yeah he destroyed the solar system but not the universe.

But also that was the Silver Age of comic books when things were so goofy and ridiculous that they make TTGL look completely sensible by comparison.

[rereboy]

As opposed to aliens who look like humans but have monkey tails, grow 50 times their size when they see the full moon and crash land on a planet with dinosaurs, humans, flying magic clouds, hoi-poi capsules, androids with infinite energy, animal people, etc, etc?

Yes, actually! By a fucking longshot!

Nope. In Dragon Ball there's Ki, in Gurren Laggan there's spiral energy, something that doesn't really exist in the real world. So, the notion that the amount of spiral energy can become big enough to end the universe is built on something that is made up from the get go. So, no, its pretty much the same. Its just as impossible according to real world standards as pretty much anything in Dragon Ball.

[The Monkey King]

2. Even if we count it, there's no proof that attack could do what Dende said it could

So Vegito, the Kais and Dende were all lying for no reason and the anime staff put that scene in there for the no reason.
It's called character exposition.

[flashback0180]

Not even close.

I'll say some where in the top 20

[Rocketman]

Not trying to get off topic but WHAT IS your beef with Gurren Lagann? How is it any more ridiculous than say, Superman containing a black hole in his hand

It's not, and I hate that crock of shit too. But American comics' retardedness doesn't come up as much here, and the different nature of American comics/characters also factors in (the Superman who "held a black hole HURRRRRRRRRRRRR" is not the same Superman in the Chris Reeve movies, but there's only one TTGL).

I dislike anything that I feel doesn't show appropriate respect to the power and grandeur of the cosmos. TTGL is most often mentioned, so I talk shit about it the most, but rest assured that I utterly despise "broly blew up a galaxy!" "I BEWEEV IN MYSEF *kicks singularity*", Superman holding a black hole, and whatever shittyass robot OMG IS SOOO BIG IT POPPED ITS HOME UNVIERSE CUZ IS BIG YAY ANIMU that was also mentioned in equal amounts.

[Polyphase Avatron]

2. Even if we count it, there's no proof that attack could do what Dende said it could

So Vegito, the Kais and Dende were all lying for no reason and the anime staff put that scene in there for the no reason.
It's called character exposition.

Not lying, more like overreacting... after all, I doubt the universe had been destroyed before, so how would they know it would happen? It just doesn't make sense to me. This is unlike in TTGL, when the Anti-Spiral had specifically created its own universe to avoid releasing its power in the main universe for fear of destroying it, and the fact that the Dai Gurren dan actually had scientists who had analyzed energies of the Big Bang and such.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not lying, more like overreacting... after all, I doubt the universe had been destroyed before, so how would they know it would happen? It just doesn't make sense to me. This is unlike in TTGL, when the Anti-Spiral had specifically created its own universe to avoid releasing its power in the main universe for fear of destroying it, and the fact that the Dai Gurren dan actually had scientists who had analyzed energies of the Big Bang and such.

The alternative dimensions would break in their dimension, and they would all get crushed together. It's very simple, and it doesn't have to have happened before to understand what will happen.

[KentalSSJ6]

Not trying to get off topic but WHAT IS your beef with Gurren Lagann? How is it any more ridiculous than say, Superman containing a black hole in his hand

It's not, and I hate that crock of shit too. But American comics' retardedness doesn't come up as much here, and the different nature of American comics/characters also factors in (the Superman who "held a black hole HURRRRRRRRRRRRR" is not the same Superman in the Chris Reeve movies, but there's only one TTGL).

I dislike anything that I feel doesn't show appropriate respect to the power and grandeur of the cosmos. TTGL is most often mentioned, so I talk shit about it the most, but rest assured that I utterly despise "broly blew up a galaxy!" "I BEWEEV IN MYSEF *kicks singularity*", Superman holding a black hole, and whatever shittyass robot OMG IS SOOO BIG IT POPPED ITS HOME UNVIERSE CUZ IS BIG YAY ANIMU that was also mentioned in equal amounts.

You do realize the catchphrase of that show is "Kick Logic Out And Do The Impossible", right? Logic and reason have no place in Gurren Lagann. It requires a large suspension of disbelief, but then again what anime doesn't?