Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

[FindKenshi]

Kai is a version of dbz with edited dbz footage, added effects and new audio.

Which is enough of a difference to be considered a different show.

But not enough to be considered a reboot.

[Kid Buu]

define:reboot
noun
something, especially a series of films or television programs, that has been restarted or revived.

Kai reviewed DBZ, or at least attempted to, so it's a reboot.

[Chuquita]

Watched episode 13. Mostly ok, but super-glaring frame-rate thing near the end:

I guess they'll fix it for the Blu-rays/DVD's.

I'm sad they cut out the flashback; I actually went to look at the corresponding manga chapter this time; nearly to the letter with the exception of cutting out the light-hearted flashback to the Moon Kingdom.

[Kid Buu]

I don't understand why they cut out perfectly good scenes that didn't need to be cut out.

[rereboy]

define:reboot
noun
something, especially a series of films or television programs, that has been restarted or revived.

Kai reviewed DBZ, or at least attempted to, so it's a reboot.

A reboot/remake is a retelling of the same story/movie/product in another story/movie/product that is not an altered version of the original.

As a example, we have Nolan's Batman Begings which is a reboot of the Batman movie franchise. In contrast, a Special edition of the 1989 Batman movie with extra/edited scenes and remastered audio is not a reboot of the Batman franchise.

Kai is no different from this special edition. So, no, its not a reboot.

You are just twisting the meaning of the definition of reboot to include anything that might bring something different to the franchise/product or revive the interest in any way. Going by that interpretation, any new release of the the series in any format reviews the previous editions and "revives" and "restarts" the interest in the series and should be considered a reboot...

[dbboxkaifan]

Watched episode 13. Mostly ok, but super-glaring frame-rate thing near the end:

I guess they'll fix it for the Blu-rays/DVD's.

I'm sad they cut out the flashback; I actually went to look at the corresponding manga chapter this time; nearly to the letter with the exception of cutting out the light-hearted flashback to the Moon Kingdom.

Why the hell are they doing a v1.0 and v2.0 for it? Just get it right the first time and don't forget that it'll cost them to redo it again.

[rereboy]

Why the hell are they doing a v1.0 and v2.0 for it? Just get it right the first time and don't forget that it'll cost them to redo it again.

Time and schedule concerns. They have to air the episodes according to a specific schedule, so they also have to work the animation in a specific schedule. They can't fall too much behind so they cut some corners and later fix those corners for the actual release.

[omegalucas]

Aaaand... apparently Crystal is getting a Portuguese dub in May. Another 'nail' in Kai's coffin as it didn't even get a dub here. No idea if they're getting any of the old voices back (if they do it's another stab in Dragon Ball's back as half of the cast worked in both series ). Dragon Ball 'ranting' out of the way, I feel like this is GREAT news. Wondering how the dub will do, it'll be released in Panda Biggs. Probably based in the French dub again (except this time that is good news) because France is getting a dub too on Canal J in March.
Also it seems the series will have 52 episodes.

The source for the PT dub news may be a bit shoddy (the fansite Sailor Moon Portugal) but the French is by Olivier Fallaix's twitter, who seems to work at Crunchyroll.fr.
https://twitter.com/OlivierFallaix/stat ... 9191090176

[fadeddreams5]

You know, admittedly, I was a bigger fan of Sailor Moon than DBZ as a little kid. It was my first anime. I still very much enjoy the original anime.

That said, I find Crystal incredibly pretentious and boring. The original anime had its serious moments, but they felt better executed, and the show as a whole kind of knew it was a cartoon with its monster-of-the-week structure, comedy, and character interaction (Rei vs Usagi). Crystal... is just terrible in every aspect. Aside from the aforementioned, its animation is bad, the art from the manga did not translate well into animated form (they look too old to be 14...), the orchestrated soundtrack is equally pretentious to everything else, and there's little time for character development. I find myself not giving a shit for any of them unlike in the original adaptation, where I found all the Sailor Scouts likeable. First time I've seen an anime adaptation that loosely follows the manga surpass the original source material.

With that rant out of the way, I would very much prefer if Toei DIDN'T reanimate DBZ. It's bound to blow.

[JulieYBM]

Series Director Sakai Munehisa is personally directing Episode #14 with Takahashi Akira of Studio Dove/Dub as his animation supervisor. Episode #15 is being sent to Wanpack, so it'll look tremendously horrible...which isn't really a surprise, given, y'know, the entire series looks horrible.

The production committee members really need to take their time when it comes to launching a new series, especially if a new Dragon Ball series is ever to be made.

[Lord Beerus]

Series Director Sakai Munehisa is personally directing Episode #14 with Takahashi Akira of Studio Dove/Dub as his animation supervisor. Episode #15 is being sent to Wanpack, so it'll look tremendously horrible...which isn't really a surprise, given, y'know, the entire series looks horrible.

The production committee members really need to take their time when it comes to launching a new series, especially if a new Dragon Ball series is ever to be made.

Honestly, as much as I would love new Dragon Ball series, I dread the idea of Toei animating. I mean it doesn't need to said that as far as animation quality goes, Dragon Ball always seems to get the short end of the stick. And judging from early footage of FnF, it seems like its going to be the case again. But the straw that broke the camels back for was what happened to Toriko. How Toei fucked over that series just boggles my mind, especially considering how awesome the manga. And of course Sailor Moon Crystal has also suffered severe drops in quality of animation from the get-go.

So basically, what I'm trying to say is... Toei animation suck.

[JulieYBM]

Toriko has some of Toei Animation's best animation in recent years, although as the series went on it obviously began to get fewer and fewer good action as Toei Animation begun producing more series. A Dragon Ball series with even that much in the way of good animation would be nice.

Remember, though, Toei Animation isn't the only one responsible for the content and tone of these works. Fuji TV has a say, given they're the ones funding and airing these works. One could blame Fuji TV and Shueisha just as much for Dragon Ball Kai as they could blame Toei Animation.

[rereboy]

Toriko has some of Toei Animation's best animation in recent years, although as the series went on it obviously began to get fewer and fewer good action as Toei Animation begun producing more series. A Dragon Ball series with even that much in the way of good animation would be nice.

Remember, though, Toei Animation isn't the only one responsible for the content and tone of these works. Fuji TV has a say, given they're the ones funding and airing these works. One could blame Fuji TV and Shueisha just as much for Dragon Ball Kai as they could blame Toei Animation.

Pretty much all Toriko fans agree that Toriko's anime was average or bad, especially compared to the manga. Having some good animation doesn't save it. And if that's the best Toei is able to do nowadays...

[JulieYBM]

The comic looks nothing special. Any number of the animators who worked on the Toriko TV series are better artists. The fact that the series got so much love from Toei Animation is a pretty big sign that they and Fuji TV were aiming for the series to be popular. Hell, it got more love than Dragon Ball movie they promoted overseas.

[rereboy]

The comic looks nothing special. Any number of the animators who worked on the Toriko TV series are better artists. The fact that the series got so much love from Toei Animation is a pretty big sign that they and Fuji TV were aiming for the series to be popular. Hell, it got more love than Dragon Ball movie they promoted overseas.

And they butchered it with annoying and long filler, constant censorship, weird or debatable coloring choices, varying animation quality that progressively got worse and worse as the anime went on and an awful filler ending to the anime. Like I said, if that's their best...

[Mewzard]

And they butchered it annoying and long filler, constant censorship, weird or debatable coloring choices, varying animation quality that progressively got worse and worse as the anime went on and an awful filler ending to the anime. Like I said, if that's their best...

Agreed, the anime had a lot of problems.

I still like the art of the manga, so that's not an issue. I won't take better art over butchering a scene's impact when what they censor is plot important for the next arc.

But yeah, Toei's animation work (adaptations most especially) can be rather hit or miss.

[Kid Buu]

You know, admittedly, I was a bigger fan of Sailor Moon than DBZ as a little kid. It was my first anime. I still very much enjoy the original anime.

That said, I find Crystal incredibly pretentious and boring. The original anime had its serious moments, but they felt better executed, and the show as a whole kind of knew it was a cartoon with its monster-of-the-week structure, comedy, and character interaction (Rei vs Usagi). Crystal... is just terrible in every aspect. Aside from the aforementioned, its animation is bad, the art from the manga did not translate well into animated form (they look too old to be 14...), the orchestrated soundtrack is equally pretentious to everything else, and there's little time for character development. I find myself not giving a shit for any of them unlike in the original adaptation, where I found all the Sailor Scouts likeable. First time I've seen an anime adaptation that loosely follows the manga surpass the original source material.

With that rant out of the way, I would very much prefer if Toei DIDN'T reanimate DBZ. It's bound to blow.

You should watch the Toku PGSM. It has best use of characters and lots of development for everyone, including villains.

[Quebaz]

Aaaand... apparently Crystal is getting a Portuguese dub in May. Another 'nail' in Kai's coffin as it didn't even get a dub here. No idea if they're getting any of the old voices back (if they do it's another stab in Dragon Ball's back as half of the cast worked in both series ). Dragon Ball 'ranting' out of the way, I feel like this is GREAT news. Wondering how the dub will do, it'll be released in Panda Biggs. Probably based in the French dub again (except this time that is good news) because France is getting a dub too on Canal J in March.
Also it seems the series will have 52 episodes.

The source for the PT dub news may be a bit shoddy (the fansite Sailor Moon Portugal) but the French is by Olivier Fallaix's twitter, who seems to work at Crunchyroll.fr.
https://twitter.com/OlivierFallaix/stat ... 9191090176

Didn't we get Sailor Moon from Japan? Also we're also getting One Piece again from France this time instead of Spain (and it seems like they're bringing Fernanda Figueiredo back? Not sure on this one). COME ON PORTUGAL, YOU'RE GETTING 2 SERIES FROM TOEI, WHERE'S MY BOG CINEMA RELEASE!? *ahem* If Crystal is dubbed by the same studio who's dubbing One Piece (112 Studios) it will turn out good, they do have a large pool of actors based on their portfolio (they somehow got Rogério Jacques and Bruno Ferreira to come back for One Piece after its original dub in 2003), and their dubs have been pretty good.

[Puto]

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[Eternal Super Saiyan]

It'd be best not to reanimate Dragon Ball. What Kai did made some of the scenes look like adobe flash animations. lol

None of that looks "drawn" - leave it the way it is.