Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[ZombieVito]

At that time they didnt realize Freeza got more powerful, they only got scared after Freeza 1hit knocked out Gohan in base lol, actually it wasnt a knock out, it was a 1hit kill.
But hey at least they reached the 10 secs Freeza gave them because of Gohan, if he wasnt around it would have took them longer, but we are talking about Freeza here so he may just be an idiot when it comes to time

Ah so if he didn't know Freeza got stronger, then perhaps this solidifies Humans<First Form Freeza

Going by the manga version, that doesn't make sense. It's in the very next set of panels that Gohan says he can't handle him and Piccolo admits that Freeza is in an entirely different league. So they had to of known Freeza powered up, because Piccolo had already fought Freeza in his second form and isn't a slacker like Gohan. So said first form should have at least been nothing to Piccolo (ignoring the whole potential strength loss of Gohan, because I don't even want to discuss that).

Some of the scenes in the manga aren't in the movie.

[SansrivaaL]

Musta been thinking..."D..daddy...this guy is stronger...I..I...I can't fight stronger people..I only fight minor chara.." *Punched out*

For some reason I'm also seeing Vegeta there.... AT shouldnt have done that, it was.... awkward lol

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Some of the scenes in the manga aren't in the movie.

I know that, but Piccolo's line about Freeza being in a different league is in the trailers. At this point it only matters if he said it before or after Gohan flatlined. If it was before, they knew Freeza had powered up and thus Kuririn asking Gohan indicates nothing about where the humans stand in comparison to first form Freeza on Namek.

[SansrivaaL]

At that time they didnt realize Freeza got more powerful, they only got scared after Freeza 1hit knocked out Gohan in base lol, actually it wasnt a knock out, it was a 1hit kill.
But hey at least they reached the 10 secs Freeza gave them because of Gohan, if he wasnt around it would have took them longer, but we are talking about Freeza here so he may just be an idiot when it comes to time

Ah so if he didn't know Freeza got stronger, then perhaps this solidifies Humans<First Form Freeza

Going by the manga version, that doesn't make sense. It's in the very next set of panels that Gohan says he can't handle him and Piccolo admits that Freeza is in an entirely different league. So they had to of known Freeza powered up, because Piccolo had already fought Freeza in his second form and isn't a slacker like Gohan. So said first form should have at least been nothing to Piccolo (ignoring the whole potential strength loss of Gohan, because I don't even want to discuss that).

Oh yeah they do say that lol, sorry my bad.

[dbzfan7]

Musta been thinking..."D..daddy...this guy is stronger...I..I...I can't fight stronger people..I only fight minor chara.." *Punched out*

For some reason I'm also seeing Vegeta there.... AT shouldnt have done that, it was.... awkward lol

Well the local consensus in the Versus thread is Gohan loses immediately if Goku isn't holding his hand, so no wonder Freeza won right away (unless minor character fight). It's right next to the rules Mr. Satan always wins, and Kaioshin is afraid of anything with an M on their forehead.

[AvatarReiko]

SO how does First Form Frieza compare to Buu saga characters? Is he stronger than Vegetto?

[Doctor.]

SO how does First Form Freeza compare to Buu saga characters? Is he stronger than Vegetto?

I'll say he's Super Perfect Cell level, enough to defeat SSJ Gohan and enough not to strike fear on either Goku or Vegeta. The lower, the better it is for me to rationalize his power jump.

[buutenks]

SO how does First Form Freeza compare to Buu saga characters? Is he stronger than Vegetto?

vegetto no way.

I have my doubts final form freeza is that strong.

All we know first form freeza is stronger than a base gohan who apparently got significantly weaker.

So based off of that nah i dont see it happening.

And final form,from what I've read,final form freeza couldnt even touch base goku and goku was practically toying with him.But i have not seen the actual fight so its just my opinion based off the summary and what people have said.

So based on the fact that beerus used one kick to ko ultimate gohan and beerus is significantly superior to base rof goku,id say final form freeza is maybe around ultimate gohan/super buu level perhaps.

Edit:And his golden state being kinda like ssj red god.Since ssj3 goku at that time was around super buu level then red god goku was close to beerus in power i think that final form being around ultimate gohan level and his golden state to boost him to god status makes sense IMO.

[Mac]

Musta been thinking..."D..daddy...this guy is stronger...I..I...I can't fight stronger people..I only fight minor chara.." *Punched out*

It's difficult being a Gohan fan these days, no respect.

[Birusu16]

Is there any explanation for why Roshi is so much stronger in this movie?

Because Toriyama wanted to remind everybody of how badass Master Roshi used to be.

I'd saythe levels are like this:

Whis: 16
Beerus: 10
Golden Freeza: 8 really heavy stamina decreasing
SSGSS Goku: 7.5
SSGSS Vegeta: 7.3
Golden Freeza(worn out): 6 and decreasing
Base Goku: 5.7
Base Vegeta: 5.5
Base Goku(holding back) : 2
4th form Freeza: ~1
4th form Freeza (seriously injured): 0.1 (still able to effortlessly blow the Earth up)

Nah, it's more:

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10
Golden Freeza: 7.5
SSGSS Goku: 7
SSGSS Vegeta: 7
Golden Freeza (Fatigued): 5.5
Base Goku: 3
Base Vegeta: 3
Final Form Freeza: 1

I really like your numbers but didn't Whis say Vegeta is one step behind Goku?

Also is it true Roshi says he has been training?

Not in terms of power. He's talking more about efficiency and skill than power.

[AvatarReiko]

And final form,from what I've read,final form freeza couldnt even touch base goku and goku was practically toying with him.

Spoiler:

[Birusu16]

And final form,from what I've read,final form freeza couldnt even touch base goku and goku was practically toying with him.

Spoiler:

Was there a point in posting this? It's fake.

[AvatarReiko]

And final form,from what I've read,final form freeza couldnt even touch base goku and goku was practically toying with him.

Spoiler:

Was there a point in posting this? It's fake.

Is it!? Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

[Birusu16]

Is it!? Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

Yea. It's fan-art that was spread around months ago.

Spoilers for the movie:

Spoiler:

In the film Vegeta never even fights 4th form Freeza, only Goku does. The only form of Freeza he even engages in battle with is Golden Freeza.

[Hugo Boss]

SO how does First Form Freeza compare to Buu saga characters? Is he stronger than Vegetto?

I would compare Initial Freeza with Majin Boo in power, given that he aimed to surpass this level when he was told Goku defeated that Majin Boo. Golden Freeza is probably stronger than Super Vegetto.

[Saiyan007]

Shouldn't base Freeza be ssj3 tier?

I heard that when Goku is trying to use instant transmission back to earth he can't sense anyone's ki there so Freeza powers up and Goku can feel his ki

That means his ki can be felt across the universe like ssj3

[Doctor.]

SO how does First Form Freeza compare to Buu saga characters? Is he stronger than Vegetto?

I would compare Initial Freeza with Majin Boo in power, given that he aimed to surpass this level when he was told Goku defeated that Majin Boo. Golden Freeza is probably stronger than Super Vegetto.

Why first form and not final form then? The argument is the same, just seems like personal preference to me.

Golden form is obviously much stronger than Super Vegetto (or hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto for that matter) since he's stronger than SSGSS Goku.

[Dyno]

Well, Vegeto can go Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan now, can't he?

[Hugo Boss]

I heard that when Goku is trying to use instant transmission back to earth he can't sense anyone's ki there so Freeza powers up and Goku can feel his ki.

I'm not sure, but after seeing the non-english 3rd chapter of RF's spin-off manga, the ones that called Goku trough their kis were the Z-Fighters. I can't say if the same thing happens in the movie.

Why first form and not final form then?

The 4th form Freeza seems to be comparable to a form of Goku who became way stronger than SS3 Goku was when he lost his first fight against Beerus.

[Doctor.]

The 4th form Freeza seems to be comparable to a form of Goku who became way stronger than SS3 Goku was when he lost his first fight against Beerus.

Freeza couldn't even land a hit on a Goku who was holding back, not sure how he's comparable.